CoffeeBreakArchives 2005

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I've been working, unexpectedly, with MediaWiki on a current project. Its been interesting. I miss the flexibility, control and content management features of TWiki when I'm using Wikimedia, but perhaps I don't know enough yet about Wikimedia to make a proper judgement.

What I have liked about MediaWiki though is the way in which it manages text/heading/etc markup. The edit screen of course includes the formatting bar (I'm now over the need for that on TWiki given the Firefox editing toolbar) but what was a surprise was that Preview shows me a view of what the page will look like AND the edit screen at the same time. This enables a user to change the markups/layouts as needed and then refresh the Preview screen. This seems to me to be an interesting approach to the WYSIWYG conversation that has been kicking around.

And one (now) penultimate thing - I've been finding the automated section edit function really useful. That is, as soon as a level 2,3 or lower heading is created the content that goes with that becomes a separately editable object. I know there is a plugin for TWiki that enables this (but I haven't played with it yet so don't know much about it) . But I just found it to be such a simple approach. Perhaps the MediaWiki web manager installed such a plugin to make this work? Don't know. But from a user point of view on MediaWiki I don't need to do anything - the edit function just turns up.

-- SueLocke - 01 Jan 2005

Here's really the last thing about MediaWiki. A part of the editing routine is the ability to add a very, very small note about what changes have been made to a page. This note then shows up in the Recent Chnages listing. I found it useful for seeing what had actually changed in a document where changes weren't simply adding a note at the bottom of the page.

-- SueLocke - 08 Jan 2005

Do you know if there is project about twiki.org's translations? we are translating the Main Web and we like to publish it in twiki.org...

-- VittorioZuccala - 06 Jan 2005

Vittorio, Take a look at TranslationSupport.

-- SamHasler - 06 Jan 2005

I think what he, and all the other translation efforts, should really get is a new web for the translated docs on twiki.org. Hmm, this is a good case for nested webs: Italian.TWiki.WebHome, German.Main.TWikiUsers, ...

Vittorio, while waiting for the TranslationWebs feature request to be acted on you could archive up your translation and attach it to ItalianTranslation (following the example of GermanTranslation).

-- MattWilkie - 06 Jan 2005

I think it's best if people contribute to TranslationSupport - TranslationWebs are just one aspect of TranslationSupport, which also covers templates and other built-in text that needs translation.

-- RichardDonkin - 07 Jan 2005

There have been a string of Sandbox style test/learning topics showing up in the TWiki web lately. Any ideas why a rash of these would crop up suddenly?

-- MattWilkie - 07 Jan 2005

People create test pages in the Main web and the TWiki web all the time. The reason that they "show up lately" is that I did not move/remove them as quickly as usually.

I just added a Please use the Sandbox web for testing note to the Main.WebLeftBar and TWiki.WebLeftBar. Lets see if this helps.

-- PeterThoeny - 11 Jan 2005

Trying to rename AffectedExtentions to AffectedExtensions I got the error:

Software error:

Insecure dependency in open while running with -T switch at /home/groups/t/tw/twiki/cgi-bin/TWiki/Store.pm line 867.

For help, please send mail to the webmaster (staff@sourceforge.net), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. 

I am therefore unsure whether every reference has been updated.

-- MartinCleaver - 09 Jan 2005

i got the same error today while renaming NewLogDirectory to LogDirectory. fortunately, i didn't want any of the references updated (in fact, this is a way to rename a page without causing any PageChurn).

has anyone looked at this yet? can someone please do so?

-- WillNorris - 19 Jan 2005

Doing the search http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/search/Codev/SearchResult?scope=text&regex=on&excludetopic=AffectedExtentions&search=Affected%20*Extentions%5B%5EA-Za-z0-9%5D shows that none did get updated.

-- MartinCleaver - 09 Jan 2005

I renamed the topic back to AffectedExtentions again and got the same error, but at least things were consistent. I did a final attempt to rename to AffectedExtensions, and this time it completed without error. All very strange.

-- MartinCleaver - 09 Jan 2005

AffectedExtensions was a last minute change I made to the ProposedNewFormsInCodev from AffectedContrib to AffectedExtension be more inclusive. It hadn't appeared before, so this is the first time anyone had a chance to check it.

I also used a url parameter "affectedextentions" and the variables AFFECTEDEXTENTION and AFFECTEDEXTENTIONSCATEGORIES. I've fixed these also for consistency. Also I have renamed the topic to the singular AffectedExtension leaving all the links plural. I too recieved the "Insecure dependency" message but as I wasn't trying to change the links all is well.

Thanks Richard and Martin for pointing this out and helping to fix it. Please everyone take a look at the new ChangeProposal forms & templates and give feedback (on ProposedNewFormsInCodev, ChangeProposal or wherever appropriate). I'll start converting the topics scheduled for DakarRelease and EdinburghRelease in a few days if no issues are raised.

-- SamHasler - 09 Jan 2005

I have been sick for a few days and need to catch up with the Codev topic changes.

Sam: The new forms look great. The templates can be tweaked over time. For now, how about announcing it in DevelopersNews?

To all developers: Now that we have the infrastructure in place we can move ahead full steam with the new development model. The most important step now is to identify the differences between DevelopBranch and MainBranch so that we can merge them. Please review all your checkins and make sure that every change to DEVELOP is represented by a topic with the new ChangeProposalForm (change the form if needed).

-- PeterThoeny - 18 Jan 2005

Make CoffeeBreak more blog-like

What about making the CoffeeBreak topic more blog-like? This would be a kind of proof of concept, wouldn't it?

-- FranzJosefSilli - 18 Jan 2005

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Power of Group Content

I just watched a screencast movie about the evolution of a Wikipedia article. A nice introduction to the power of group content.

-- ArthurClemens - 23 Jan 2005

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General Notice

General note to all: I am on a new project for work. I will endevour but am unlikely to be able to read every update to topics on codev so if you want me to read something please email me.

-- MartinCleaver - 27 Jan 2005

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EmDebian has TWiki

Great !! emdebian has a TWiki site since 15 Jan 2005 !!

-- BenoitFauvel - 28 Jan 2005

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JGraph TWiki Plugin

The JGraph website has a very cool TWiki Plugin, not (yet?) posted on TWiki.org: http://www.jgraph.com/wiki/bin/view/TWiki/JGraphpadPlugin with test page http://www.jgraph.com/wiki/bin/view/Sandbox/TestTopic1.

-- PeterThoeny - 02 Feb 2005

Note that the TWiki plugin uses Java Web Start to run JGraphpad. If you don't want to install Web Start you can try out JGraphpad as an applet (not integrated with TWiki) from this page: http://www.jgraph.com/jgpdapplet.html

• At least on my browser (IE) I get a null exception error when starting the applet. The JGraphpadPlugin does not appear to be posted at this site either. -- TW _

-- SamHasler - 02 Feb 2005

Seems like a turbo TWikiDrawPlugin

Couldn't find the TWiki at http://www.jgraph.com but found this discussion Embedded Twiki usage - TestTopic1

Anybody thinking of publishing the TWiki JGraphpadPlugin?

-- NielsKoldso - 20 Jul 2005

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Web-Based Diff

PeterThoeny, some time ago you mentioned you used a web-based diff program to upgrade/sychronise twiki installs on different hosts. What is the name of that program? Thanks!

• Not sure, but you might be referring to the small (unpublished) utility to see the diffs between TWiki.org's TWiki web ("working master") and the Beta TWiki where we create Beta and Production releases ("release master"). The utility is actually a few lines of code in TWiki.org's DefaultPlugin -- PTh

-- MattWilkie - 12 Feb 2005

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SectionalEditPlugin for Cairo

In reference to some earlier discussion here on the advantages of editing parts of a topic, I just finished a major update of SectionalEditPlugin. It is now fully cairo compatible and leverages savemulti. I added an option to (based on preferences) automatically allow segmented edits by headings with the ability to limit the heading depth considered. Finally, the text before and after the edited section is now rendered rather than shown in raw.

-- ThomasWeigert - 13 Feb 2005

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Various Events

Hi!

Have you seen it? 2005 International Symposium on Wikis!

What is planed for TWiki? I want to go, but i cant... (far, so far...)

-- AurelioAHeckert - 03 Mar 2005

A FreeSoftwareContest2005 is planned for 26 May 2005; and the TWiki project is invided to participate.

-- PeterThoeny - 05 Mar 2005

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Nielsen Group on TWiki

NN/g (Jakob Nielsen Group) has chosen a TWiki based Intranet as one of the ten best Intranets of 2005, http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050228.html and http://networks.silicon.com/lans/0,39024663,39128464,00.htm.

Well done TWikiCommunity; hard work gets recognized!

-- PeterThoeny - 09 Mar 2005

To save you some effort, the link to Orbis is http://www.orbisuk.com/.

-- ThomasWeigert - 09 Mar 2005

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TWiki Development Shifts Gears

Wow! Am I imagining things or did I hear the sound of TWiki development shifting gears over the weekend!

-- LynnwoodBrown - 11 Apr 2005

Hopefully this is no flash in the pan.

-- FranzJosefSilli - 11 Apr 2005

Dunno - it still feels pretty lonely down here in the engine room.....

-- CrawfordCurrie - 12 Apr 2005

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TWiki Suggestions

Hi there,

on the edit page, I see the buttons CheckPoint and QuietSave.

I searched for documentation about them. The only information I found was on CheckpointSave. I think, those explanations are very well hidden given, that those keys appear on every editing.

Suggestions:

• add an descriptive TITLE attribute to the buttons.
• Remove the Quiet Save button completely as the same can be achieved by checking "minor changes".
• Document the edit controls somewhere more prominently on web TWiki.

PS: If CoffeeBreak is not the right place to put those comments, please point me where to put my comment.

-- DanielKabs - 22 Apr 2005

• Adding of title tags is on my TODO list. This will definitely be done before the next release.
• In fact I would prefer to remove the checkbox "minor changes" and leave the button.
• Wouldn't be the label "Save quietly" a better one?
• Thanks for pointing out the missing documentation, we will fix that too.

-- ArthurClemens - 22 Apr 2005

Your careful attention to detail is much appreciated, as Ward Cunningham would say.

Removing the checkbox in favour of the button is a good idea. Less redundancy reduces confusion about the function of the button. I like "Save quietly". And maybe displaying the "Save minor changes, don't notify " in the TITLE tag.

-- DanielKabs - 22 Apr 2005

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Octave TWiki

Just came across this TWiki site: Octave. Nicely done.

-- ArthurClemens - 22 Apr 2005

Thanks for pointing that out, Arthur! Actually, there's more here then meets the eye at first glance. If you look at their SiteMap, you find that they actually have several webs, each one appearing to the casual browser to be it's own distinct twiki site! Nice design details (at least to my eye) abound, as in Stratego in which all the TWiki-related actions are neatly provided in three, low-profile drop-down menus. I find this kind of approach to TWiki quite inspiring!

-- LynnwoodBrown - 22 Apr 2005

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Upgrading from Dec 2000 :S

I'm faced with the problem to update TWikiRelease01Dec2000 to Dakar (current). If I follow the upgrade guide, I have to update to Athens release first, then to Beijing and finally to Cairo. Is it possible to skip the steps and install Cairo directly without major problems?

-- DanielKabs - 27 Apr 2005

Well, Dakar is not released. The current release is Cairo. I would not recommend using DevelopBranch in a production system, if that is what you are proposing.

With that out of the way, to your question. You are so far behind the curve that it is hard to know what to recommend. The chances are very good that any code or template customisations you have made are now useless. If I remember rightly, all the upgrade steps before Beijing were entirely manual anyway. So I think if I were you I'd find out what topics have changed between the release you originally installed and what you are using today. Then I'd install a fresh Cairo release, and manually copy (by script) the changed topics. Then I'd review the upgrade instructions for X->Athens,Athens->Beijing and Beijing->Cairo and manually apply anything that needs doing. When Dakar is finally released, the upgrade from Cairo to Dakar should be automated, which (in theory anyway) should make this last step a no-brainer.

-- CrawfordCurrie - 27 Apr 2005

Sorry, I confused the release names. You are right, I'd like to upgrade to Cairo.

Luckily, I've only made a few customizations and never got to the point of using the CategoryForms I created once. Nevertheless, we've created a lot of topics and they are only using the basic styles that were available those days. So you think, the transition should be smooth. Well then, let's go for it.

-- DanielKabs - 29 Apr 2005

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New Form for CoffeeBreak

This thread has been created using this form. It will allow us to keep different CoffeeBreak "conversational topics" seperated from each other since it provides a comment box for each one of them. This should make CoffeeBreak more "blog" like as was suggested earlier.

What do you think?

-- TravisBarker - 27 Apr 2005 20:50:20

As you can see it also provides each "conversational topic" with an icon intended to represent that topic's subject matter

-- TravisBarker - 27 Apr 2005

The form is built using the CommentPlugin and a "submitnews" form located at UserTemplates. feel free to modify.

-- TravisBarker - 27 Apr 2005

Nice! But I would suggest to add a neutral ("other") option. The explanation bullets can go because the form explains itself.

Couldn't the form be included at the bottom of CoffeeBreak? Because you'll always want to read the latest comments before posting yourself. And going to another topic to write a comment is cumbersome.

-- ArthurClemens - 27 Apr 2005

When seeing the icons in CoffeeBreak they are not so clear. The icons should have a small text label with them.

-- ArthurClemens - 27 Apr 2005

ArthurClemens I agree with you on all points, I didn't want to INCLUDE anything to CoffeeBreak or do anything too drastic until I pitched the idea to you guys in the first place. it does need an "everything else" or an "off topic" or an "other" category, and the Icons being used at present are shamelessly stolen from a quick and dirty google image search. Like I said I just wanted to demonstrate the idea. and then spend more time perfecting it if the feedback was somewhat positive (so far-so good). I will get to work tomorrow and bring those points up to snuff. and thanks for the quick reply, I'm glad you think it will be useful.

-- TravisBarker - 27 Apr 2005

I think, this page lends itself well for sub page editing. I'd like to see SectionalEditPlugin installed and enabled for CoffeeBreak. It's not yet on PleaseInstallPluginsAtTWikiDotOrg but I plan to add it.

-- DanielKabs - 29 Apr 2005

Nice new look of the CoffeeBreak. Some suggestions:

• The centered images eat a lot of space. Possibly better to right align the images, e.g. with <img src="%PUBURLPATH%/%WEB%/CoffeeBreakNewDiscussionForm/advocate.gif" alt="" align="right" />. See handcrafted example in "Very active TWiki community" thread below.
• Make sure the images also work when archiving older threads
• Add a Community thread
• Find a better image for the "Other" type

-- PeterThoeny - 01 May 2005

I've altered the template in UserTemplates. I've added a community category and set it's and OTHER's image to the HighResolutionLogos. I'm not sure what "Make sure the images also work when archiving older threads" means but all images now inserted as variables as

<img src="%%URLPARAM{"icon"}%ICON%" alt="%URLPARAM{"icon"}%" title="%URLPARAM{"icon"}%"
class="twikisubmitnews" style="float: right; margin-top: -1.5em;" />

So changing the image variables in TWikiPreferences should alter the images wherever they've been used.

-- SamHasler - 06 May 2005

Note, I also removed the comments from the template because they were showing up in context diffs.

-- SamHasler - 06 May 2005

Hey Travis, nice work! It is much easier to follow some thoughts this way.

-- MattWilkie - 10 May 2005

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Clarify CoffeeBreak Categories

Nice icons Travis, but what kind of contents do you expect to be posted on which category. Can you 'document' the categories by providing some sample content?

-- FranzJosefSilli - 27 Apr 2005 22:06:04

Since CoffeeBreak is described as a place for "casual conversation among developers and contributors" I'm not going to try and document what icon should be used for any particular post here, I will leave it as an exercise for the individual developer to decide how to classify their remarks, I guess a rule of thumb might be;"if in doubt, use 'other'"

-- TravisBarker - 27 Apr 2005

That's fair enough. Let's hope for some interesting conversations.

-- FranzJosefSilli - 28 Apr 2005

I couldn't help but make a comment about this ...

Over at BlogForTWiki they are asking if anybody has used TWiki as a "blog" hehe I thought TWiki was by definition a "blog" platform. What am I missing?

-- TravisBarker - 29 Apr 2005

<p type="rant">

it seems to me ironic that they are using what i consider to be "twiki blog software" to ask if there is such a thing as a TWiki blog in existance!

</p type="rant">

-- TravisBarker - 29 Apr 2005

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Very active TWiki community

There is lots of activity in the Codev and Plugins webs, a good thing

I have been out for a while; I was sick for a while, and have some busy changes at work. Please allow me some time to catch up with TWiki.org.

-- PeterThoeny - 01 May 2005 05:59:22

I just ran the TWiki.org statistics for last month:

• For the first time we exceeded 1M page views
• We had 8,200 topic updates, a 22% increase over the previous month
• 16K registered users

-- PeterThoeny - 01 May 2005

The guys on TWikiIRC walked me thru using SVN, it seems quite nice. Everyone seems fairly focused on DEVELOP at the moment and overall the moral seems good. At any rate, its nice to have you back, I hope you are feeling better.

-- TravisBarker - 05 May 2005

Guess it's the silly season why twiki.org is slumbering at the moment, or is it the slow server or is it the growing list of open tasks what's preventing Dakar from being released. Greetings.

-- FranzJosefSilli - 14 Jun 2005

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Google Web Accelerator and TWiki.org

Many people will now be using Google Web Accelerator, and because on twiki.org identity is IP based, when they view pages they may be served a cached copy of a page, with different pages appearing to be logged in as different users.

Have I misunderstood how twiki identification/authorisation and google's caching will work? Or can anyone confirm that they have this problem?

Update there could be even worse problems with prefetching, see the articles below.

I think we may have to tell people to configue it to not accelerate twiki.org. Since each page is potentially unique for each user there's little scope for caching/acceleration anyway.

(we could put attachments on a different subdomain so that they could be accelerated)

See Also:

• Slashdot - Security Fears Over Google Accelerator
• Google Web Accelerator sparks privacy fears - ZDnet UK News - The article that prompted this post
• Google Web Accelerator: Hey, not so fast - an alert for web app designers - Signal vs. Noise - Even more relevant observations about how Google web accelerator can adversely affect web apps.

-- SamHasler - 06 May 2005 21:29:51

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"Summer of Code" project

"The Summer of Code is Google's program designed to introduce students to the world of Open Source Software Development.

This Summer, don't let your programming skills lie fallow...Use them for the greater good of Open Source Software and computer science! Google will provide a $4500 award to each student who successfully completes an open source project by the end of the Summer. (payment details can be found in FAQ)

By pairing applicants up with the proven wisdom and experience of established prominent open source organizations (listed below), we hope to make great software happen. If you can't come up with a great idea to submit, a number of our organizations have made idea lists available."

• http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html

The deadline for submitting projects is June 14th.

The only wiki on the supporting organisations list is XWiki, though related CMS style systems like Bricolage, Drupal and Mambo are there.

-- MattWilkie - 03 Jun 2005 22:58:29

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TWiki (?) Horizontal Scrollbar for Wide <pre> Text on Narrow Pages

I've noticed a new feature in the last month or so--a horizontal scrollbar to scroll wide <pre> and <verbatim> text on narrow windows. I assume it's a TWiki feature, and not, for example a browser or something else feature. (It works for me, sort of, on both epiphany and konqueror, but there is a problem on konqueror in that the scrollbar blocks part of the text vertically, making it very difficult to read a single <pre> line.)

I wondered what this feature is called (i.e., what TWiki page is it discussed on). Are people aware of the problem on konqueror? I suspect that a workaround could be to add some extra lines above and below the text, perhaps with &nbsp; or similar--other suggestions, is there a real "fix", or do we need to wait for kde/konqueror to do something? (If so, are they aware of the problem?)

-- RandyKramer - 05 Jun 2005

This - messing up the layout with wide verbatim text - was not discusses but reported as bug on PatternSkinDev. In style.css you can find the style .twikiTopic pre. I was not aware of any problems with Konqueror, as I don't have that browser to test pattern skin on.

Is the new Konqueror (that passes the Acid2 test) already available?

Otherwise we would need to create another exception as I had to do for Mac Safari, as you can see in .twikiTopic>pre.

-- ArthurClemens - 05 Jun 2005

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No TWiki in Wikipedia wikilist

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software

Wikipedia claims to be neutral and non biased but the ommision of TWiki, one of the "old school", puts this into question.

-- AntonAylward - 11 Jun 2005 01:40:44

Hey, its a Wiki after all, you can fix that on the spot

A more detailed (and unbaised?) comparison is at http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:compare

-- PeterThoeny - 11 Jun 2005

to AA: wikipedia can only hope to be as neutral as those readers of wikipedia who are not too lazy to double as wikipedia writers as well. On the other hand, the problem with motivated people is, they often tend to have opinions about stuff, so the issue of the nutrality of wikipedia is an interesting one, if somewhat complex.

($0.02)

to PTh: don't know why but i first read that url as "spit brain" hehe.

-- TravisBarker - 05 Jul 2005

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Tea Wiki

A friend and former colleague of mine proposed the following logo idea based on the discussions about new FriendshipLogos:

http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/viewfile/Codev/CoffeeBreakArchives2005?rev=1.1&filename=TeaWiki.gif

Thought this could add new fuel to the discussion (heat it up literally )

-- FranzJosefSilli - 23 Jun 2005 09:41:11

I love it! Though that look more like a coffee-mug than a tea cup. Where's the saucer? Where's the bone china? And did you put the milk in before the tea, or after?

-- CrawfordCurrie - 27 Jun 2005

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Fix 'Deployment' Icon

I get a broken image in place of what should be the [Deployment] icon in the category selections above.

The quick fix appears to be just removing the duplicate /pub for that icon on the Preferences page, which of course I can't change. The culprit line:

• Set DEPLOYICON = /p/pub/*pub/*Codev/CoffeeBreakNewDiscussionForm/deploy.gif

I'm new here, so if this shouldn't get posted here, my apologies....I just saw the [Bug] icon and figured why not. Happy Monday.

-- BrandonJackson - 27 Jun 2005 17:18:05

ooo, thanks - that something that probly happened when we moved the server - i significan;y reduced the number of copies of pub files..

i've fixed it - and escaped your Set so it does not over-ride the Preferences setting

-- SvenDowideit - 27 Jun 2005

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TWiki performance improvements

I have recently spent significant efforts on deploying/improving the FormQueryPlugin. I have observed significant performance improvement for complex queries, in addition to the benefit that such queries are much easier to write.

On FormQueryPluginTiming, I have put some of my observations. I hope you will find them usefull.

-- ThomasWeigert - 28 Jul 2005 05:59:42

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TWiki20040902.tar.gz.gz ?

Is just me seeing this? I downloaded production release TWiki20040902.tar.gz from http://twiki.org/getpackage.html . To untar it, I have to doubly unzip it:

gunzip -c TWiki20040902.tar.gz | gunzip -c | tar -tvf -

What am I doing wrong here?

-- DanielKabs - 19 Aug 2005 12:07:52

ooo, well done! there have been a number of reports wrt problems with the downloadded files, but no-one realised that they were simply doubly compressed.

Its due to an apache setup thing - I'll look into it this weekend!

-- SvenDowideit - 19 Aug 2005 Fixed by disabling automatic deflation in Apache configuration, thus marking as

-- DanielKabs - 16 Sep 2005

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Refactor CoffeeBreak threads

Now that CoffeeBreak has the new look I would like permission to remove some of the redundant/concluded threads taking up space here. Please list here any objections and I will be back Monday.

-- TravisBarker - 25 Aug 2005 20:37:20

It is also very hard to find the last written remark in this topic. If we could ever have a css style around the text that is added last...

-- ArthurClemens - 25 Aug 2005

Last is easy, I just hit the link for a diff. This still isn't a bad idea, but I don't see any way to genericise it. It would also be nice to be able to extend the idea, to highlight the changes in the last 24 hours or whatever the user specifies.

-- EricSchwertfeger - 25 Aug 2005

if the style sheet being called was a topic which allowed TML and the class included a timestamp that was checked agains current time ...

-- TravisBarker - 26 Aug 2005

or we could use magic similar to the "Ordered List" but in reverse so that the lowest item on the thread gets the lowest number/letter. then use something like class="%THREADNUM%"

-- TravisBarker - 26 Aug 2005

this might also allow %THREADNUM% beyond a certain value to "fall off" the page making way for more dynamic discussion forum applications

-- TravisBarker - 26 Aug 2005

Travis, the idea is to move older threads (including affected attachments/images to the current year of the CoffeeBreakArchives. That is how it is currently done, but I have neglected it a bit recently. Feel free to do that from time to time.

Regardings diffs (total page history), it is not that practical anymore since it takes a long time for topics with many many revisions, such as this CoffeeBreak. There is a performance issue with the Beta TWiki currently running on TWiki.org. It renders all revisions in server memory before returning it to the client. TWikiRelease02Sep2004 was much faster since it rendered and delivered simultraneously.

-- PeterThoeny - 26 Aug 2005

ok, great. I put everything more than a month old in the Archive. I will try to help Peter keep things current around here as well as attempt to do some much needed refactoring of other topics in the Codev web, summarizing those items where possible. I just hope I dont step on any toes in the process.

as a side note; if I do happen to remove something that you feel should remain or if I fail to properly summarize it, look on the bright side thats what revision control is for.

cheers!

-- TravisBarker - 26 Aug 2005

while Im talking about refactoring, here is an idea...

whenever a subtopic/thread in a given topic has reached agreement, is finished or otherwise resolved, why not have a way of saying so. Maybe then people would feel safer about refactoring the topic or summarizing the discussion into a more readable format. anyway, what I am proposing is as follows and I think it pretty well speaks for itself...

-- TravisBarker - 26 Aug 2005