%META:TOPICINFO{author="TorbenGB" date="1087457442" format="1.0" version="1.3"}%
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_I'd love to hear from anybody who has an opinion about any of this. Put your feedback here at the end of the page, or more or less anywhere else on the site. You have my sincere thanks for taking the time to let me know. Thank you very, very much.  - Main.TorbenGB_





Very nice. I am impressed!



Minor points: 

	* You may want to distinguish between opened and closed "folders". At least color. Open = reddish?

	* %Y% Attach: will be more intuitive if icon had a papar clip "to attach". 

	* Icons cound be bigger and without text - just in tooltips when hovering above. Skin will not work without javascript anyway, right? So you can save space and put pagename at the same line as page operations. Without space between webname as pagename - ready to copy/paste. And parents breadcrumb could go above this.

		* _Main.TorbenGB replies:_ Everything except =revinfo= is deliberately put on a separate line in anticipation of narrow browser windows and long page names.<br>It is a specific design point to have the page title above all else; the breadcrumb path is secondary to the title.

	* I missed web operations in header: Index, Changes etc.

		* These can be in the TWiki.WebMenu if needed. [ Main.TorbenGB 14 Jun 2003 ]

	* I like your My Home link - I had it for some time, too. Was too embarrassed by my poor graphic/CSS skills to brag about it im my skin. :-(

	* %Y% Get rid of | separator in page header - icons separate enough, IMHO

		* _Main.TorbenGB replies:_ Done! (Later:) I added a | separator again between =Homepage= and the page-editing links; they are different types of actions. Likewise, there's a | again before the =more>>= menu.

	* %Y% I suggest another cool idea for free: add icon Go #PageBottom to header, and add #PageBottom to your template, as I have (#PageTop) here: http://twiki.med.yale.edu/twiki/bin/view/YMDhelp/VisitorFromTWiki (sorry, wimpy graphics).

	* %Y% Spaced WikiWords. Check TWiki:Codev/NoBumpyCase Arthur's example of excellent design.

	* %Y% Copyright at the bottom is hardly eligible.

		* _This is a variable in TWikiPreferences, so it can easily be changed by the administrator. -- Main.TorbenGB_

	* Think about renaming Main web to User _zone_, and you are my man for TWiki:Codev/BetterDefaults skin!

		* _Main.TorbenGB replies:_ This is not about the HobbesSkin, but about TWiki in general. I prefer to follow the official version and let that decide the future name of the =Main= web.

	* %Y% Trash should not be visible this prominently. 

	* %Y% in edit think about placing signature for copy/paste in box with separate background. I've see it in Arthur's site (LostBoys) and found it very usable.



Re your points above (view):

	* 10. %Y% Re GMT time: If time is in GMT, will be more usable to display both times side by side, like:

		* Last modif: GMT1 (by  ...)

		* Time now: GMT2

	* 12. %Y% Re: Page in Web -- Exactly my point.

	* 18. Re: webform position: Nice!

	

Very good job!



Main.PeterMasiar - 15 May 2003 



Thank you for the feedback Peter!! Most of your points will go _directly_ into my to-do list about completing this skin, because you are absolutely right.



In fact the only item that I will think twice about is the TWiki:Codev/RenameWebToZone because this seems to be 1) a complicated change and 2) a controversial/unresolved issue.  But you know, I've been using _page_ instead of _topic_ subconsciously for years already... and the arguments against calling TWiki webs _webs_ are good.



-- Main.TorbenGB - 16 May 2003



I noticed that the skin lacked functioning expanding menus and that the pop menu didn't cancel.

	* _[ Main.TorbenGB 09 Jun 2003: Yes, this goes for all platforms. I'll fix this! ]_



-- Main.JohnTalintyre - 16 May 2003 _[ Moved from TWiki:Codev.TigerSkin by Main.TorbenGB]_



Hi Torben, just trying your skin today. Here's my progress to date:



	* %Y% All other plugins have data/ rather than twiki/data/ as the top level, please do the same _[ Main.TorbenGB 09 Jun 2003: Included in post-20030529 versions. ]_

	* %Y% Didn't take rdiff.tmpl because it would have overwritten original _[ Main.TorbenGB 09 Jun 2003: Corrected in post-20030529 versions. ]_

	* %Y% Need to accomodate TWiki:Codev.WebNameAsWikiName _[ Main.TorbenGB 09 Jun 2003: Included in post-20030529 versions. ]_

	* %Y% Gifs are missing (e.g. TigerSkin/icon_pencil.gif) _[ Main.TorbenGB 09 Jun 2003: Included in post-20030529 versions. ]_

	* %Y% %<nop>TIGERREVS% and %<nop>LEFTMENU% are not defined - how do I define them?

		* You didn't install the TWiki:Plugins.TigerSkinPlugin. That will take care of this. (In releases newer than 20030529, that plugin will be bundled along with the skin.)

	* The edit window is really narrow (80 chars?) - how to I accept the TWiki default to make it full width?



Otherwise its looking good.



-- Main.MartinCleaver - 28 May 2003



Hey Torben, it turns out that the left hand menu is broken only if you don't first install SessionPlugin.



-- Main.MartinCleaver - 31 May 2003



I was able to install Hobbes using the version of 29-Jun-03 with few hiccups (the above listed issue with the Session plugin being the biggest one).



Bugs found:

	* The documentation did not make it clear the skin name is still called "tiger"

	* %Y% The twiki.tiger.tmpl does not have an =oops= section.  This is fatal bug, means errors (and "registered ok") don't appear.  I copied the one from twiki.tmpl and put in the header

	* The 'more' menu does not get positioned properly in IE 5.5 due to a bug in IE.  The workaround is add  "id=menubar" to the &lt;div&gt; containing the 'more' link.



Great features / things I liked

	* incorporation of iejs stuff is very nice

	* per-user custom menus is nice



Suggestions for improvement:

	* I have found it useful to have a "go to topic" field on the page.  This allows easier creation of a new topic.  I put it above the 'search' item since my logo is a bit taller than the twiki logo.

	* I added a 'reparent' command to the 'more' menu, for easier adjustment of topic hierarchy.  This is very important for use, I plan to use a topic hierarchy (see http://www.brayden.org/twiki/bin/view/Software/TopicClassification for an example)

	* %Y% On the edit template, I displayed the web and topic name above the content, so it is clear what you are editing.  I often have two edit windows open at once (usually a parent and child, or two sibling sub-topics)



Of course the real test does not start until next week when I start trying to get new users to adopt Twiki



-- Main.StanleyKnutson - 22 Jul 2003	



Another bug:  

	* %Y% =twiki.tiger.tmpl= needs to define the =simpleheader= and =standardfooter= templates, so that 'attach' a file will show the {topicaction} to have the 'save' button.  I mostly copied the version from =twiki.tmpl=



-- Main.StanleyKnutson - 23 Jul 2003







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