[12:04pm]Lavr:Hey now we are two
[12:04pm]AndreU joined the chat room.
[12:04pm]AndreU:hi
[12:04pm]Lavr:Now we are 3. Hi Andre.
[12:04pm]Lavr:I guess all of Europe is on vacation.
[12:05pm]Lavr:At work we are very few these days.
[12:05pm]AndreU:heh
[12:05pm]peterthoeny:hi andre, kenneth, sven (here?)
[12:05pm]peterthoeny:sorry for the delay
[12:05pm]peterthoeny:prev meeting was running over
[12:05pm]peterthoeny:yes, vacation time
[12:06pm] MartinCleaver joined the chat room.
[12:06pm]peterthoeny:hi martin
[12:07pm]•MartinCleaver is lurking
[12:07pm]MartinCleaver:Hi peterthoeny
[12:07pm]peterthoeny:only 4 of us
[12:07pm]peterthoeny:let me get a tea, brb
[12:08pm]Lavr:I am normally also mainly lurking at the marketing meetings. It is not my 
         strongest interest except for the twiki.org work.
[12:09pm]peterthoeny:...back
[12:09pm]Lavr:But at the moment my main focus is 4.2.1.
[12:09pm]peterthoeny:yes, 4.2.1 is most important now
[12:09pm]peterthoeny:thank you for driving it with deadline
[12:10pm]peterthoeny:we are only a few people
[12:10pm]peterthoeny:i suggest we have a free form discussion on marketing
[12:10pm]peterthoeny:on topics people here are interested in
[12:10pm]peterthoeny:let's keep it short
[12:11pm]AndreU:very good
[12:11pm]peterthoeny:andre, what is on your mind?
[12:11pm]AndreU:I like to offer as usual the translation of the release notes in german
[12:11pm]AndreU:are there any?
[12:11pm]Lavr:I have already written the updated RL.
[12:12pm]AndreU:and also like to spread the word here a bit about the release
[12:12pm]Lavr:Except for the loooong bug list.
[12:12pm]peterthoeny:yes, amazing number of bugs fxed
[12:12pm]AndreU:magazines and so on I mean
[12:13pm]peterthoeny:good, we need pr in different regions
[12:13pm]Lavr:Remember that this is a patch release with bug fixes only. (except on 
         enhancement that got sneaked in this morning).
[12:13pm]peterthoeny:since 4.2.0 had so many quality issues, 4.2.1 warrants some news:
         stable twiki with wysiwyg editor and sql-like query language
[12:14pm]AndreU:doesn´t matter, a lot of people will like to hear that TWiki is not dead
[12:14pm]peterthoeny:what feature is new?
[12:15pm]Lavr:Yes sure. But what I am saying is that the message should be about quality 
         and stability and commitment to our users to support and develop.
[12:15pm]peterthoeny:twiki.net will have a booth at linuxworld in san francisco next week
[12:15pm]Lavr:New feature was MD5 passwords. I have not tested it.
[12:15pm]AndreU:jepp
[12:15pm]peterthoeny:i also will give a talk
[12:15pm]peterthoeny:twiki.net will make some pr for the open source 4.2.1 release
[12:15pm]peterthoeny:with press release
[12:17pm]Lavr:When will t.n follow up with a 4.2.1 certified?
[12:17pm]peterthoeny:to clarify, that will be a twiki.net press release on a new product 
         (likely to be open sourced) that will mention the new open source 4.2.1 release
[12:18pm]Lavr:The release note I wrote contains a summary of the bug fixes in around 10 
         bullets or so.
[12:18pm]peterthoeny:t.n has not yet set a date on upgrading to 4.2.1, but that is the 
         next step (4.2.0 was not stable enough, and ldap was not possible)
[12:19pm]peterthoeny:update on twiki.org server:
[12:20pm]peterthoeny:sun approved the donation of a beefy x86 server
[12:20pm]peterthoeny:we sent back one t5220 to sun
[12:20pm]Lavr:Ah. Good.
[12:20pm]peterthoeny:all paperwork for x4150 is done
[12:20pm]peterthoeny:not sure yet on delivery date
[12:20pm]peterthoeny:could be this week
[12:21pm]peterthoeny:we could use one of the t.n. x86 servers, but that would double the 
         work (swap with sun x4150 once here)
[12:21pm]peterthoeny:so, in total we have over $100k worth of sun equipment for twiki.org
[12:22pm]peterthoeny:sun asked to get a logo on the download page
[12:22pm]peterthoeny:i think they are entitled to this
[12:22pm]peterthoeny:but we need to ask the community
[12:22pm]Lavr:The traditional way is that the server / equipment donor has logo on 
         WebLeftBar. Ie. on download page and ALL pages.
[12:23pm]Lavr:But we should probably scale up the logo sizes a bit.
[12:23pm]Lavr:And I can see we do not have it on t.o. Only on d.t.o
[12:24pm]Lavr:We should do the same as we have on d.t.o but a little more visible.
[12:24pm]peterthoeny:yes
[12:25pm]peterthoeny:ah, i had to turn off grease monkey to see the logo on d.t.o
[12:27pm]peterthoeny:what else on marketing should we discuss?
[12:27pm]Lavr:I think a logo which uses the width of the left bar with a little padding 
         around and a height which is 50-70% of the width would be fair. Visible but 
         not dominating.
[12:27pm]MartinCleaver:What visibility are you going to have at WikiSym?
[12:28pm]peterthoeny:one question on logo is where on sidebar?
[12:28pm]peterthoeny:right now it is "below the fold", e.g. hard to spot
[12:28pm]peterthoeny:may be keeping current small size but move to top of sidebar?
[12:29pm]Lavr:Yes. We should put the logos so they are above the fold. I suggest a space 
         between the menu for the web and the web list.
[12:29pm]peterthoeny:wikisym: i will participate on a panel on application wikis, and i 
         will give a half day tutorial on enterprise/application wikis (like last year)
[12:30pm]peterthoeny:may be below the personal link section
[12:30pm]AndreU:Lavr, so you will write the ReleaseNotes?
[12:30pm]Lavr:I already did! I only need to append the list of fixed bugs to the end.
[12:31pm]MartinCleaver:Is there any rally to see how many TWiki people will be at wikisym?
[12:31pm]Lavr:Andre: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiReleaseNotes04x02
[12:31pm]AndreU:ok, then I will go to translate it
[12:31pm]MartinCleaver:The TikiWiki project is, for example, are renting house together
[12:31pm]Lavr:Except the real note has a date instead of the code.
[12:31pm]AndreU:very good
[12:32pm]Lavr:maybe you think about the Press Release from twiki.org. THAT is another story.
[12:32pm]peterthoeny:MartinCleaver: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WikiSym2008
[12:32pm]AndreU:ah, maybe I mixed this two
[12:32pm]Lavr:I think we have learned that twiki.org and twiki.net releases separate release notes.
[12:32pm]Lavr:Sorry . Press releases.
[12:32pm]peterthoeny:yes, those are different press releases
[12:32pm]AndreU:sure, I am not involved in twiki.net
[12:33pm]peterthoeny:i am not planning on a twiki.org press release for 4.2.1
[12:33pm]peterthoeny:we had one in january on the 4.2 release
[12:34pm]peterthoeny:i do not think a journalist will pick up the story of a bug fix release
[12:34pm]Lavr:No but maybe we need a small text topic that people can copy from for planting 
         on blogs etc.
[12:35pm]AndreU:good idea
[12:35pm]Lavr:Could be based on the intro to 4.2.1 I wrote. I also put it on the beta 
         download page.
[12:35pm]peterthoeny:we have that text already
[12:35pm]peterthoeny:needs to be updated though
[12:36pm]Lavr:Where? which one?
[12:36pm]peterthoeny:let me look it up...
[12:36pm]MartinCleaver:Isn't 4.2.1 just a bug fix release?
[12:36pm]Lavr:Yes. But it is a chance to say "hey we are alive".
[12:36pm]MartinCleaver:Such that 4.2.x is now ready for primetime (i.e. TWiki.org)
[12:37pm]Lavr:So Martin how is the beta testing going ?
[12:38pm]peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAdvocacyForPublicSites is one
[12:38pm]Lavr:That one as a blog post would be seen as spam I am afraid.
[12:39pm]peterthoeny:and 4.2 advocacy page is at 
         http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAdvocacy04x02
[12:39pm]Lavr:We need something that tell that TWiki has released a 4.2.1 which is really 
         cool and that we are still an active community
[12:40pm]peterthoeny:i would rather spin this in a positive way: 4.2.1 has been release, 
         stable 4.2 release with wysiwyg and sql-like query language, and here is our roadmap...
[12:41pm]peterthoeny:that can be done as a blog post on twiki.org
[12:41pm]peterthoeny:and that can be used as advocacy material to promote twiki in germany 
         and other regions
[12:42pm]Lavr:Yes. But there is a heck of a difference between the language used for press 
         and used in geek style blogs. You loose geeks already at "San Jose, California, 16 
         January 2008 - TWiki.org, the open source community behind TWiki, the Application 
         Wiki, today announced"
[12:42pm]peterthoeny:that is press release language
[12:42pm]Lavr:Yep.
[12:42pm]peterthoeny:blog post can be totally different
[12:42pm]Lavr:That is what I mean
[12:42pm]peterthoeny:s/can/should/
[12:44pm]peterthoeny:kenneth: how about you and i creating the blog post?
[12:44pm]peterthoeny:post on day of release
[12:45pm]Lavr:I can try and start on a topic the next days.
[12:45pm]peterthoeny:ok
[12:45pm]AndreU:I like to post a blog entry for twiki.org
[12:45pm]peterthoeny:vicky has added the publish flag, so it is possible to work on it 
         ahead of time
[12:46pm]peterthoeny:anything else to discuss?
[12:46pm]AndreU:the gartner study says a lot of good things about twiki which never get posted
[12:46pm]peterthoeny:yes, good point
[12:46pm]•AndreU already has a news on his homepage but will translate it in english
[12:46pm]peterthoeny:rod and i spent quite some time with the gartner folks
[12:46pm]Lavr:Andre if you want to partner up with Peter instead of me then fine. I am pretty 
         busy with the 4.2.1 release.
[12:47pm]AndreU:release notes are not the thing I am good on
[12:47pm]Lavr:No. I mean the blog post.
[12:47pm]peterthoeny:that is fine with me. andre?
[12:47pm]AndreU:but if it´s a small blog we can try
[12:47pm]AndreU:ok
[12:47pm]peterthoeny:ok good
[12:47pm]Lavr:Small good blog is better than long boring.
[12:48pm]AndreU:two none native speaker...
[12:48pm]peterthoeny:for keeks
[12:48pm]peterthoeny:"geeks"
[12:48pm]AndreU:sure
[12:48pm]MartinCleaver:Lavr: I'll see if my clients are willing to beta test 4.2.1
[12:49pm]peterthoeny:ok, i gotta run unless anyone has something for me
[12:49pm]AndreU:I will translate my gartner blog post in the next days
[12:49pm]AndreU:nope
[12:49pm]peterthoeny:thanks for participating! ttyl
[12:49pm]peterthoeny:i will attach the log later today
[12:49pm]Lavr:Martin. The main thing is to try and install the beta and see that it runs. 
         Ie. verify that the installation works on as many platforms as possible.
[12:51pm]MartinCleaver:Y, one of my clients has a solaris vm environment, that's fairly weird
[12:51pm] Soronthar joined the chat room.
[12:51pm]Lavr:Here is Rafael. Meeting is over. We just had/have a cheerful chat without 
         going through the entire agenda.
[12:52pm]Lavr:It is vacation time - many are travelling with family these days. And weather 
         in Europe is fantastic at the moment.
[12:52pm]MartinCleaver:Nice in Toronto too, today
[12:52pm]Lavr:27 deg C and sunny during the entire day.
[12:56pm]Lavr:I will go back in bug fixing mode. I am looking at some old "normal" bugs. 
         Docu things.
[12:56pm]Lavr:CU all.
[12:58pm]MartinCleaver:byee