Times in PDT (Pacific Daylight time; California, US) [12:05] peterthoeny: how long shall we wait? not many people gmc: VickiBrown: when will the next newsletter be? this week?? would be nice, as a reminder to the dutch twiki meetup :) Lavr: Arthur said he could not make it VickiBrown: gmc: whenever Peter says "make a Newsletter" I guess VickiBrown: we can decide today? [12:08] gmc: VickiBrown: i thought you were the one putting out newsletters... VickiBrown: I've only done one. Do I decide when? (Eek!) peterthoeny: yes, this is up to you vicki! VickiBrown: Ack! gmc: :) peterthoeny: i have a hard stop at +60 min gmc: i tried to go by the rule 'once a month unless not enough stuff is available'.. gmc: in that case i would wait another month VickiBrown: ok. How much is "enough stuff"? [12:10] VickiBrown: 5? 10? gmc: it depends.. around 5 i guess.. gmc: but that might be highly subjective VickiBrown: it can't hurt to bring up the quesion here... peterthoeny: it is your call vicki, if you see 3 informative blog posts that could be fine too VickiBrown: Everybody like "this week"? VickiBrown: I'll make mysef a note peterthoeny: i guess the criteria is: do we have enough material that is interesting to read, want to look forward to the next newsletter? peterthoeny: time check: +12 min peterthoeny: proposed agenda: [12:13] # 1. Blogging # 2. Usability & Home Page Redesign # 3. Testimonials & Contest # 4. TWiki.org Performance # 5. Merchandising # 6. TWiki Meetups # 7. TWiki Summit # 8. Brainstorming for ideas peterthoeny: any other items? VickiBrown: twitter :) [12:14] peterthoeny: ok, #9 twitter peterthoeny: i can facilitate peterthoeny: who is taking notes? VickiBrown: I'm logging the transcript gmc: i'm finishing a client project simultaneously so i'm a bad note-taker atm peterthoeny: thanks vicki, please post at the end VickiBrown: ok peterthoeny: vicki, can you take notes too? VickiBrown: eek [12:16] VickiBrown: I can summarize the transcript VickiBrown: or do you want notes during the IRC ? peterthoeny: just key points, such as on newsletter we just talked about peterthoeny: after irc is fine VickiBrown: ok gmc: VickiBrown: basically jot down action items and decisions VickiBrown: right peterthoeny: ---++ blogging and newsletter peterthoeny: we just talked about newsletter VickiBrown: Vicki will do a newsletter this week [12:17] peterthoeny: vicki, anything else on newsletter? peterthoeny: good VickiBrown: gmc - would you write a blog post for the dutch twiki meetup? peterthoeny: yes, it is helpful to pre-announce meetups in our blog peterthoeny: shows momentum gmc: VickiBrown: ok will do peterthoeny: on blogging, anything to discuss? VickiBrown: (no) peterthoeny: vicki, if you want i can help out on the app [12:20] VickiBrown: no, I've done many; it's the time more than anything VickiBrown: I have templates to copy :) peterthoeny: ok peterthoeny: ---++ 2. Usability & Home Page Redesign peterthoeny: arthur is not here Lavr: I was thinking about this one... peterthoeny: last time we had: "Small steps at a time: Define pages at TWikiOrgRenewalWorks2008ToDo and put names on work items" Lavr: One reason not to write is that you feel you need to FINISH a topic once you start. VickiBrown: Lavr: still blogs? VickiBrown: or UI [12:22] Lavr: With the new server maybe we should put it online under a temporary domain and build up the entry pages without the pressure of working on a production site VickiBrown: staging server Lavr: (UI) gmc: lavr: i like that.. VickiBrown: build it backstage peterthoeny: i think we should use the live server, but not link to the work in progress pages peterthoeny: and indicate on top that this is work in progress peterthoeny: it's a wiki after all VickiBrown: temporary web? peterthoeny: no, twiki web on twiki.org [12:24] peterthoeny: for major entry points peterthoeny: (landing pages) peterthoeny: related to this, we need to work on a new web: apps web with repository for twiki apps peterthoeny: i think that is the only new web we need Lavr: Yes gmc: can't that go into the plugins web? peterthoeny: kenneth, do you think not linking would work instead of staging server? peterthoeny: koen, technically it could go into the plugins web peterthoeny: we covered that before VickiBrown: I would prefer an "Examples" web myself [12:27] peterthoeny: from our perspective the logical place would be plugins web VickiBrown: separate "how to" from the tools Lavr: I prefer an apps web for performance and because we need to be able to free word search peterthoeny: from user perspective we need a new web VickiBrown: Lavr: +1 peterthoeny: plugins web is for extension developer and wiki champions peterthoeny: apps web is for wiki champions and application assemblers Lavr: Yes. Different target group peterthoeny: so far we are using the sandbox web for example apps peterthoeny: just yesterday i posted the discussin forum app [12:29] peterthoeny: sandbox = example apps to try out VickiBrown: I shudder waiting for something to disappear because it's in the "Sandbox" VickiBrown: we need a Cookbook VickiBrown: Sandbox should be considered temporary. peterthoeny: yes, perception that stuff will disappear is a drawback peterthoeny: could the examples go into the apps web? VickiBrown: Flip side is people expect things not to change and are confused when they do peterthoeny: time check: +30 min VickiBrown: I would hope examples wuld g into APps web Lavr: That is the whole idea. To put anything from small examples to larger applications in a zip file. [12:32] peterthoeny: brainstorming: hoe about app packages, screenshots, how to's, best practices go into apps web, sample installed apps into sandbox web? Lavr: I already have some apps I want to share so I will be one of the first posters Lavr: Now I have them on my own TWiki mainly. peterthoeny: i just added a clarifying note to the sandbox home: "The sandbox will be cleaned up from time to time (except for the sample applications.)" Lavr: I have an open source project app, a quality system app, and a project management app. VickiBrown: peterthoeny: I could live with that idea, yes. Sandbox for "try it out". peterthoeny: yes, i also have some apps i can post peterthoeny: such as an events tracker for a social club VickiBrown: Even the samples might get a cleaning - mclean out the sample data peterthoeny: yes [12:35] peterthoeny: i almost daily clean up the sample apps that get modified by twikiguest VickiBrown: How do we ensure not to acidentally "clean up" half an app in the Sandbox? peterthoeny: (i do a lot of work that does not get noticed) VickiBrown: (I've locked some of the samples in my tutorial now :) peterthoeny: hi oli! VickiBrown: peterthoeny: I notice OliverKrueger: HelloWorld peterthoeny: HelloGermany peterthoeny: time check: +36 min [12:36] peterthoeny: lets continue peterthoeny: ---++ 3. Testimonials & Contest OliverKrueger: Yes, I know, Im late. ;) peterthoeny: we have 5 videos, yay! peterthoeny: 4 qualify (one is too short) peterthoeny: actually, we have one that is waiting to be posted by carlo schultz peterthoeny: (the numbers above includes carlo) peterthoeny: the community can start to vote tomorrow peterthoeny: michael corbett prepared a page OliverKrueger: on t.o.? [12:38] peterthoeny: actually a placeholder, the vote app needs to be done peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/YouTubeVotingRoundOne OliverKrueger: Do we have any (Vote|Poll|Anything)Plugins installed on t.o.? peterthoeny: i think we can do the vote with a generic vote att, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Sandbox/GenericVote peterthoeny: very simple app peterthoeny: does the job with a simple commentplugin template OliverKrueger: oic peterthoeny: i can prepare that today (after several more meetings, then a meetup in san francisco, then a party peterthoeny: anything else on testimonial? peterthoeny: ---++ 4. TWiki.org Performance [12:42] peterthoeny: some delay here OliverKrueger: hehe VickiBrown: Compared to where I work, Twiki.org perf doesn't even need discussion :) peterthoeny: it si hard to get hold of marcos della who does the system config of the loadbalanced setup peterthoeny: i will ping him again today OliverKrueger: thanks peterthoeny: ---++ 5. Merchandising peterthoeny: no news on my side peterthoeny: amir is not here peterthoeny: amir can add new t-shirt designs as needed [12:44] VickiBrown: I looked at the site. WhooHoo peterthoeny: vicki: your tagline, (c) vicki brown :-) VickiBrown: I saw :) VickiBrown: I will have to buy ne :) peterthoeny: actually one deserve one for free peterthoeny: i just sent an email to amir and vicki to get that done VickiBrown: (blush) peterthoeny: time check: +46 min peterthoeny: ---++ 6. TWiki Meetups [12:47] peterthoeny: what is coming up? OliverKrueger: there is one in berlin in september. ;) peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMeetUps peterthoeny: 04/25 in delft gmc: holland next friday, yep peterthoeny: we are organizing quarterly in the silicon valley OliverKrueger: too far away for me. :-( gmc: i've a feeling we're not reaching the full potential there, turn-up wise.. but we'll see peterthoeny: action item for amir: announce next one in mid may peterthoeny: i'd like to see initiatives in other parts of the world [12:50] peterthoeny: how can we stimulate this? peterthoeny: ok, let's continue Lavr: Good question. For me it is always a question about where to meet in practical. peterthoeny: ---++ 7. TWiki Summit peterthoeny: thanks kenneth for organizing the facility! Lavr: My pleasure peterthoeny: it looks like we will have a good turnout! OliverKrueger: Can we do a mashup with the geo coordinates of the UserForm data on t.o.? Lavr: Yes. I am happy with the signup so far. peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiCommunitySummitBerlin2008Q3 [12:53] peterthoeny: oliver: that is a nice idea peterthoeny: i guess that can be done on javascript level without writing a plugin? OliverKrueger: I think so, but Im not into that stuff. peterthoeny: a search showing the country and city of the latest 100 registrations, feeding into a map peterthoeny: could possibly done also with google maps OliverKrueger: group them by region... OliverKrueger: to find people near by. peterthoeny: i guess we are now already in the brainstorming topic peterthoeny: anything else on summit? OliverKrueger: Did Martin book the room on his own? [12:56] VickiBrown: will it be IRC'd again? OliverKrueger: Did he refer to my block reservation?    * Yes, I did. -- Main.MartinSeibert - 26 Apr 2008 peterthoeny: vicki: yes, we intend to use irc again; we try to get two projectors OliverKrueger: I think, there will be no lack of projectors. peterthoeny: who did the block reservation for hotels? OliverKrueger: me. I was asked to do so. peterthoeny: thanks oliver! OliverKrueger: It is non-binding till July. peterthoeny: yes, good move! peterthoeny: i need to sign off in 2 min [12:59] peterthoeny: hi michael (corbett?) peterthoeny: we are just wrapping up OliverKrueger: we should put those two hotel tables together. OliverKrueger: its confusing gmc: two tables? peterthoeny: there are two hotels? Michael___: Hi there, Michael Corbett here Michael___: An hour too late by the looks of things Lavr: no. Someone added a Hotel table [1:01] Lavr: There was already a hotel column on the original table. peterthoeny: michael: sorry, it looks like you missed the note that we start one earlier earlier Michael___: Ooops, my fault gmc: also the upper table mentions 95 eur / night, whereas the comments mention 80 eur / night..? peterthoeny: oic, the hotel table and the rsvp table OliverKrueger: We should probably talk about a clear process, how the people have to book theirs hotel rooms. peterthoeny: yes, they can be merged OliverKrueger: Does it make sense to centralize it? peterthoeny: i need to sign off now to another meeting [1:03] OliverKrueger: bye peter peterthoeny: please continue! peterthoeny: thanks all! Lavr: Bye Peter OliverKrueger: Best thing would be: Everybody has to book the room on his own and refers to the block reservation. Lavr: ON hotel - it seems there are enough that think the Am Borsigturm is OK so the individuals can book. Lavr: I think it is best that you do not end up with some binding reservations and then some people do not show up Lavr: There are always some that get hit by higher priorities and has to cancel last minute. OliverKrueger: Yep. [1:07] OliverKrueger: btw: I just noticed I have to call the hotel again. They missed to send me a confirmation on my reservation. Michael___: Re the room rates: I just called the hotel and the rate (discounted for Motorola) is 95.50 per night (same price for double/single rooms) VickiBrown: Euro? Michael___: Yes, Euros VickiBrown: (for the transcript :) Lavr: Sounds like my contact us a little out of date on the discount rates Lavr: Anyway still not bad. In London same room would have cost 200 Euros Lavr: Same in Copenhagen Michael___: 95.50 Euros is 152.064651 dollars [1:14] Michael___: and 76.734253 GBP Michael___: I feel like a bit of twerp for arriving so late but I was wondering if we talked about the YouTube vidoes? Michael___: Did we all feel that they were qualifying videos? VickiBrown: 4/5 qualified VickiBrown: 1 too short Michael___: 5? I only saw 4 entries. VickiBrown: community can start to vote tomorrow; ap needs to be done VickiBrown: one is not yet uploaded Lavr: and one of the 4 is expected before midnight pacific time VickiBrown: expected [1:17] Michael___: Ah, that's Carlos video presumably VickiBrown: y Michael___: He said he was having technical problems Michael___: Well, that's a lot better than I thought VickiBrown: so... is the meeting over? OliverKrueger: normal mid-week rate for the hotel is 80, so I wonder, why the special motorola price is 95. :-( Michael___: Sounds like it Lavr: I wonder too. Michael___: Well, I just phoned the hotel and told the guy that I needed the special motorola rate Michael___: Maybe he was wrong? [1:20] [1:23] Lavr: Carlo has uploaded a video :-) Michael___: Well, once again, sorry for being late - but it looks like this meeting is over. Michael___: Looking forward to reading the IRC log OliverKrueger: g'nite folks Lavr: Yes. Nice that the meeting is an hour earlier :-) Lavr: Bye all VickiBrown: done [1:27]