[12:56] *** Channel re-joined successfully. [12:56] *** #twiki_marketing: PeterThoeny gmc SvenDowideit__ [12:56] *** #twiki_marketing was created on Fri Nov 23 17:54:22 2007. [12:57] gmc: hi peter [12:58] *** ArthurClemens_ has joined #twiki_marketing. [12:59] *** rodbeckstrom has joined #twiki_marketing. [13:00] PeterThoeny: hi arthur, koen, rod, sven! [13:00] PeterThoeny: rod and i are sitting next to each other [13:00] PeterThoeny: rod is back from middle east and europe [13:01] *** #twiki_marketing: PeterThoeny rodbeckstrom ArthurClemens_ gmc SvenDowideit__ [13:01] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMarketingMeeting2007x11x26 [13:03] PeterThoeny: not many people, shall we give it a few more min? [13:03] ArthurClemens_: who do we expect? [13:03] PeterThoeny: carlo wrote on minutes topic that he won't be able to attend [13:04] PeterThoeny: he "added the personas to the WebPageAudienceSiteStructure" [13:04] ArthurClemens_: yes, I noticed [13:05] rodbeckstrom: why don't we rock and roll here? [13:05] PeterThoeny: lets just start with the small team [13:05] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Blogging [13:05] PeterThoeny: koen? [13:06] gmc: yes.. not much to mention, i have been really busy on the $dayjob lately.. [13:06] PeterThoeny: ah [13:06] gmc: i'm planning some time off from the $dayjob in a couple of weeks though.. [13:06] rodbeckstrom: and I heard the Greens in NL need your help too :) [13:06] PeterThoeny: there are post about dev [13:06] PeterThoeny: i'd like to see more post on user stories [13:06] PeterThoeny: how can we achieve that? [13:07] gmc: well, we can pro-actively ask users.. [13:07] gmc: you mean user stories like your report of the tv station thing? [13:07] rodbeckstrom: quick update from web 2.0 Berlin [13:07] *** Lavr has joined #twiki_marketing. [13:07] rodbeckstrom: i did a keynote there and mentioned TWiki, there are many happy users in Germany [13:08] rodbeckstrom: did a meetup and some great TWiki champions showed up [13:08] rodbeckstrom: particularly the TWiki lead from the Freie Universitaet of Berlin [13:08] ArthurClemens_: As for the site work, I have given priority to fixing code and plugins [13:08] PeterThoeny: hi kenneth! [13:08] Lavr: Hi all [13:08] ArthurClemens_: so it will be a very short meeting [13:08] gmc: rodbeckstrom: excellent, perhaps you could write a short piece about that for the blog? [13:08] rodbeckstrom: They are using TWiki for most intranet publishing and also for research and other databases [13:09] rodbeckstrom: also, we were asked by Web 2.0 to put up TWiki for the open source community there [13:09] rodbeckstrom: here is the TWiki link for Web 2.0 Berlin http://web2open.twiki.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome [13:09] gmc: it'd be nice to have a short report on the web2.0 thing on the blog imho [13:09] PeterThoeny: koen, good idea about asking users to blog [13:10] PeterThoeny: i will send out the rc1 announce to twiki-announce and mention that [13:10] ArthurClemens_: web2open: they have put a lot of linebreaks in the topic [13:11] rodbeckstrom: I also did blogger presentation of "Der Seestern und Die Spinne" at The New Thinking Store. I think that at least 5 to 10 blog articles came out, and some mentioned I was with TWiki.net, fyi [13:12] rodbeckstrom: here are some of the German blog articles: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=seestern+spinne+beckstrom+blog&btnG=Google-Suche&meta= [13:13] PeterThoeny: anything else on blogs? [13:13] gmc: anyway, the blog needs a new impulse.. people are still writing articles, but we're not getting a serious volume, i hope to change that soon [13:13] PeterThoeny: yes, we should get a few per week [13:13] PeterThoeny: idealy daily blogs [13:14] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Home Page Redesign [13:14] PeterThoeny: arthur? [13:14] PeterThoeny: i have not done my homework on that one :-/ [13:14] PeterThoeny: we have all been very busy [13:15] ArthurClemens_: yes, I am coding plugins at the moment [13:15] PeterThoeny: arthur focused a lot on the rc1 [13:15] ArthurClemens_: so it has to wait a little [13:15] gmc: hero! [13:15] PeterThoeny: (y) [13:15] rodbeckstrom: Arthur is a hero. I spoke about him to 200 people in Utrecht last Wednesday :) [13:16] rodbeckstrom: Koen too.... [13:16] ArthurClemens_: huh? [13:16] PeterThoeny: 8-) [13:16] gmc: you were in utrecht? [13:16] rodbeckstrom: I told the 200 attendees at Web 2.0 Enterprise 2.0 that you guys were the TWiki champions of Holland. I even put Koen's photo up! [13:16] gmc: not the one with the icecream and the laptop? :) [13:16] rodbeckstrom: I couldn't find yours online Arthur! (stealth mode?) [13:17] rodbeckstrom: Nope, one I found on Google. You look much more serious [13:17] ArthurClemens_: not suited [13:17] gmc: ah, must be my business portrait then.. the one to bring in the enterprise customers :) [13:17] rodbeckstrom: I put up the logo of LostBoys too and told the companies present to contact either of you if they are interested in doing TWiki websites [13:17] ArthurClemens_: great [13:18] gmc: thanks :) [13:18] ArthurClemens_: gmc: how many more can you handle? [13:18] gmc: ArthurClemens_: just need to hire some programmers :) [13:18] ArthurClemens_: ah, no problem then :-) [13:19] PeterThoeny: shall we go to the next topic? [13:19] gmc: yes [13:19] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Testimonials [13:20] rodbeckstrom: re. the YouTube contest, it's time to roll! [13:20] rodbeckstrom: I just need to get some help [13:20] gmc: ok, so there is going to be a contest! [13:20] gmc: what kind of help do you need? [13:20] rodbeckstrom: YES! [13:20] rodbeckstrom: with $3,000 in prize money [13:20] rodbeckstrom: I just need to get some help putting the rules together, and announcing via TWiki.org, TWIKI.NET, emails, etc. [13:21] rodbeckstrom: does anyone know a good online rule description for a contest or should we be more informal? [13:21] gmc: hmmm, i don't know about any ready-made rules.. [13:22] gmc: aren't the rules quite simple though: must be in such-and-such format (eg time), will be judged by jury conssisting of x, y z [13:22] rodbeckstrom: on the rules, one idea is to have this IRC group (minus any contest participants) choose the 6 finalist for the 3 prizes [13:22] rodbeckstrom: TWIKI.NET, the contest sponsor, could then choose the final 3 [13:23] rodbeckstrom: how does that sound [13:23] rodbeckstrom: ? [13:23] PeterThoeny: i like the idea [13:23] PeterThoeny: we could put up a voting system on twiki.org to determine the 6 finalists [13:24] PeterThoeny: we need one person who is driving this [13:24] gmc: PeterThoeny: you mean a public voting? [13:24] rodbeckstrom: I like the public idea [13:25] gmc: downside of the public thing: be ready for evil hackers [13:25] rodbeckstrom: like us? [13:26] PeterThoeny: since everything is version controlled we can rectify this [13:26] gmc: true [13:26] rodbeckstrom: I'm so glad we can have Darth Vader under control... [13:27] rodbeckstrom: look, I will try to find someone to help me with this and will come back with a set of rules to review online [13:27] rodbeckstrom: perhaps we should move on [13:27] PeterThoeny: we can use the simple vote app i listed at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Sandbox/GenericVote [13:27] PeterThoeny: ok, next item [13:27] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. TWiki.org Performance [13:28] PeterThoeny: no new news from sun [13:28] PeterThoeny: will take another week or so based on the last communitcaion [13:28] gmc: ok, red-tape still? [13:29] PeterThoeny: apparently the approval takes more time internally at sun [13:29] PeterThoeny: for the beefy hardware we will get [13:29] PeterThoeny: ---++ 5. Press Releases [13:29] PeterThoeny: no news here [13:30] PeterThoeny: michael and i need to work on the press release [13:30] PeterThoeny: it looks like we will not release before end of year [13:30] rodbeckstrom: it would be great to do one announcing the YouTube contest [13:30] PeterThoeny: yes, we can announce that on the twiki-announce mailing list and issue a press release [13:31] PeterThoeny: anything else on press release? [13:31] PeterThoeny: ---++ 6. Usability [13:32] PeterThoeny: carlo commented at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebPageAudienceSiteStructure [13:33] PeterThoeny: may be we should part this for this time since carlo is not here? [13:33] PeterThoeny: ---++ 7. Merchandising [13:33] gmc: this one is tabled for post-4.2 [13:34] PeterThoeny: ok [13:34] PeterThoeny: one more item [13:34] PeterThoeny: proposed by rod [13:34] PeterThoeny: ---++ 8. TWiki Meetups [13:34] rodbeckstrom: good idea. I think these really make a difference. [13:34] PeterThoeny: the meetup we wiull have this thu will be well attended [13:35] PeterThoeny: i am looking forward to it [13:35] PeterThoeny: we asked participants to demo their twiki use [13:35] PeterThoeny: we will video tape it [13:35] PeterThoeny: goal is to build up momentum [13:35] PeterThoeny: and pr for twiki [13:36] PeterThoeny: yes, personal contacts really make a difference [13:36] PeterThoeny: especially if face to face [13:36] rodbeckstrom: I will be in Paris speaking on Jan 23/24. I could participate in a MeetUp there on Jan 22 or 25 (Friday). I will mention to Colas and the ILOG team. If anyone else knows great TWiki champions there, please let us know. [13:36] PeterThoeny: i'd like to see meetups in all parts of the world [13:36] gmc: i've been planning a twiki meetup in NL [13:36] gmc: not sure of the format though, and time/location.. [13:37] gmc: ArthurClemens_: what would work best for you, time/day wise? [13:37] gmc: PeterThoeny: what time will your meetup be? during the day or in the evening? [13:37] ArthurClemens_: weekdays except Wednesdays [13:37] gmc: or maybe even in the weekend? [13:38] PeterThoeny: our meetup starts at 05:30pm, so people join after work [13:38] ArthurClemens_: possibly [13:38] rodbeckstrom: BTW, Professor Rene Jansen from University of Amsterdam is a noted Enterprise 2.0 expert and knows TWiki fairly well [13:38] ArthurClemens_: I don't know him [13:38] gmc: Rene Jansen, hmm name doesn't ring a bell.. [13:38] gmc: do you knnow his department? [13:39] ArthurClemens_: http://www.linkedin.com/in/renejansen [13:39] rodbeckstrom: let me find his contact info [13:40] PeterThoeny: how can we nurture the meetups? [13:40] ArthurClemens_: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/509762410_8e89f12024.jpg [13:40] PeterThoeny: it takes time to organize [13:41] rodbeckstrom: here is Rene's company which provides a community Facebook like tool for inside companies: http://winkwaves.com/ [13:41] PeterThoeny: basically each locale needs an owner [13:41] PeterThoeny: we can share best practices on the format of the meetups [13:42] gmc: there are different sorts of meetups too.. [13:42] PeterThoeny: like dev or user? [13:42] rodbeckstrom: you can reach Rene at r...@winkwaves.com [13:42] gmc: low-key ones without a set programme, or dressed up ones with a keynote.. and anything in between [13:42] PeterThoeny: dressed up? i do not know that one :-) [13:43] gmc: informal vs more formal is basically what i'm getting at i think.. [13:43] PeterThoeny: our silicon valley meetup starts with a presentation, then we have the demos [13:43] rodbeckstrom: in Berlin we just sat around in a circle and talked about whatever interested people for 90 minutes. We had a great discussion and through the open format, covered everything people wanted to, including what TWIKI.NET was up to [13:44] PeterThoeny: key is to make it intersting enough for folks to show up, and to come again [13:44] rodbeckstrom: so structure is optional. often times people in an open source community just want to meet each other and share ideas [13:44] ArthurClemens_: how do you find out? [13:44] rodbeckstrom: there may be a wikipedia community in NL and you might want to invite them too, fyi [13:44] PeterThoeny: so some kind of program is good i think, e.g. at least one presentation [13:45] gmc: PeterThoeny: what is the presentation at your meetup going to be? [13:45] gmc: i also think it is something you need to experiment with a bit to get it right for your locale.. [13:45] gmc: what works in silicon valley might not work in NL for example [13:45] PeterThoeny: presetation can be simple, for example a case study of what you do at work [13:46] PeterThoeny: our presetation on thu will be about wikis at workplace, based on my tutorial at wikisym [13:46] PeterThoeny: we will show just a few slides [13:46] PeterThoeny: rod will also introduce twiki.net [13:47] PeterThoeny: but the most intersting part for me will be the demos [13:47] PeterThoeny: anyway, not too muc hstructure is good [13:47] PeterThoeny: just get the ok from one contributor to do a presentation [13:47] rodbeckstrom: I agree. I think people really like seeing TWiki demos, especially of custom apps [13:48] PeterThoeny: any other items? feedback? sugegstions? [13:49] PeterThoeny: no reply means we can close the meeting :-) [13:49] PeterThoeny: short meeting this time [13:49] gmc: agreed :) [13:49] PeterThoeny: ok, i will update the minutes [13:51] gmc: oh i forgot, on meetups: it'd be nice to have them announced in the newsletter.. [13:51] rodbeckstrom: thanks to all! [13:51] rodbeckstrom: good point Koen [13:51] PeterThoeny: yes, good idea koen [13:51] PeterThoeny: we will do it for the thu event (late announce though) [13:52] PeterThoeny: ok, thanks all! [13:52] rodbeckstrom: here is the online link to events http://newcareer.meetup.com/110/?gj=sj2 [14:04] gmc: ah, one more account to maintain :) [14:05] gmc: we need a TWiki app! [14:12] PeterThoeny: koen, you have a choice, you can also sign up on facebook or twiki.org [14:13] PeterThoeny: meetup.com is good because it gives exposure and because there are millions of users [14:16] Lavr: But a bad signal to send that TWiki cannot handle it. [14:16] PeterThoeny: hmm, may be post a link ti the twiki.org signup page? [14:18] *** You have been disconnected. Mon Nov 26 14:18:06 2007.