Subject: KampalaMeetingLog-2017-07-20.txt Date: July 20, 2017 at 4:08:07 PM PDT ---++ #twiki_release IRC [14:58:20]   HaraldJoerg1 (~haj@ip5f5bea39.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined the channel [14:59:21]   Good morning/afternoon! [14:59:39]   Hi Harald and Peter [15:00:06]   hi HideyoImazusan & HaraldJoerg1! [15:00:16]   what's new besides weather? [15:00:50]   I'm still struggling to find an IRC client I like [15:01:54]   irc is pretty old, never really liked it, too many knobs to turn to make it work [15:02:22]   i am having fun processing photos from the trip to europe [15:02:26]   latest one: [15:02:27]   https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterthoeny/36039022395/ [15:03:05]   Nice [15:03:30]   other than that quiet [15:03:37]   Google Translate is still bad at English to Japanese translation. I started to suspect that's because it's learning bad translations, which are prevalent. [15:04:03]   oh, one more news: my son is now planning to build a big motor for his level 3 rocket [15:04:33]   how bigger than before? [15:04:47]   since it's expensive i offered to pay half the cost [15:05:14]   last year for l3 cert it went 24k feet if i recall correctly [15:05:23]   this time it will be around 70k feet [15:05:42]   he is going to build 2 motors [15:05:55]   cool [15:05:56]   one for test burn on the ground, one for the flight [15:06:43]   since it is going so high he had to register it with the rocket club [15:07:06]   looking forward to the black rock desert in september [15:08:43]   HideyoImazu-san: thanks for setting up the slack [15:08:50]   HaraldJoerg1: did you see? [15:08:55]   do you know slack? [15:09:25]   Erm... no. What is it? [15:09:38]   something like skype [15:09:41]   for work [15:09:50]   Ah, ok [15:09:54]   or something like irc [15:10:18]   IRC on steroid, I hope [15:10:33]   each org can sign up, we have now https://twikirelease.slack.com/ for twiki [15:10:41]   (i think that's the url) [15:10:52]   thanks to HideyoImazu-san [15:10:56]   the URL is correct [15:11:11]   HideyoImazu-san do you use slack already? [15:11:18]   we may switch to twiki.slack.com assuming it's still available [15:11:33]   I'm not using Slack yet [15:11:40]   Ah, I just see I've got an invitation... ended up in the "suspicious" folder [15:11:41]   that would be a good idea [15:11:45]   So I'd like to try it out [15:11:52]   since there are channels within each group [15:12:32]   there is a web-interface and an app [15:12:47]   i installed the app on macos [15:13:45]   i am using slack occasionally with the zen meditation group [15:13:51]   so far i like it [15:14:27]   are zen meditators talking each other on Slack? [15:14:30]   we can give slack a try for the release meeting if you agree [15:14:49]   yup, well the organizers (i am part of) [15:15:25]   not just zen meditation, but other classes as well [15:16:17]   shall we try slack for this release meeting? HaraldJoerg1 would need to sign up [15:16:25]   or we can try next time [15:16:30]   I'm all for it [15:16:45]   this time or next [15:16:51]   I've just joined [15:19:18]   ok, let's try slack now [15:56:40]   HideyoImazu (ddfc2e55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.221.252.46.85) left IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ---++ #general on twikirelease.slack.com haj 3:13 PM joined #general haj 3:16 PM I don't know anything about Slack :slightly_smiling_face: peterthoeny 3:17 PM ok, here we are! 3:17 just think of it as a skype group chat 3:17 each channel is a chat haj 3:17 PM So this isn't as open as freenode peterthoeny 3:18 PM well, each org is closed (here twikirelease.slack.com) 3:18 someone has to invite you 3:19 not sure, in settings it might be possible to make it public as well himazu 3:19 PM what happens if a random person comes to twikirelease.slack.com ? haj 3:19 PM I guess the login isn't successful in that case peterthoeny 3:19 PM i think can’t join unless invited, but we have to check himazu 3:20 PM OK. We'll see. haj 3:21 PM Yep.  I couldn't just join before opening the URL in the invitation mail himazu 3:21 PM access denied? haj 3:22 PM I had not registered a user id before trying himazu 3:23 PM that might be a factor peterthoeny 3:24 PM i just looked into settings, could not see a way to configure for open access 3:25 i also tried a copy and past of the chat, is quite verbose text himazu 3:25 PM "open" meaning everybody authenticated? peterthoeny 3:25 PM hopefully there is a way to make it more concise like irc 3:26 ok, shall we start with meeting? 3:26 time: +26 min 3:26 http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2017x07x20 3:26 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release 2. Extensions 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs 4. TWiki Release Discussion 5. Miscellaneous 3:27 ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release 3:27 http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges 3:28 only one update by @haj : 3:28 twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiWithCurrentPerl haj 3:28 PM Yep - that's about the issue with CGI::Carp peterthoeny 3:29 PM reading noiw 3:31 so, option 3 is your recommendation? haj 3:31 PM I have never used LocalLib and I don't know about use cases himazu 3:32 PM I'm using LocalLib heavily haj 3:32 PM Yes, I understood that.  But I don't know which error situations need to be taken care of 3:33 Right now TWiki just drops any problem in LocalSite.cfg himazu 3:33 PM I put a lot of "use lib '....';" things peterthoeny 3:34 PM i always set LocalLib.cfg as per recommendation, but don;t add any extra stuff himazu 3:34 PM because of the way perl modules are installed in my environment 3:35 my LocalLib.cfg is more than 100 lines peterthoeny 3:36 PM i think it is ok to not see potential issue with LocalLib.cfg in browser, e.g. ok to have issues just in apache error log 3:36 this is at the very beginning of installation himazu 3:37 PM agreed 3:37 it's nice to be able to see errors on browser peterthoeny 3:37 PM if configure does not show, first place to look is apache error log himazu 3:37 PM but it's not the end of the world if we cannot peterthoeny 3:37 PM it’s a nice to have 3:38 if configure dies have way down such as because of missing perl lib, then it is useful to have cgi carp 3:38 so looks like option 3 is consensus haj 3:39 PM configure is always different because it does its own libraries guesswork peterthoeny 3:40 PM ok 3:40 shall we move on? 3:41 any other feature you’d like to discuss? haj 3:41 PM I don't have any peterthoeny 3:42 PM if not 3:42 ---++ 2. Extensions 3:42 http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges 3:42 no update 3:42 anything? 3:43 ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs 3:43 http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges 3:43 cgi carp update we covered 3:44 bug fix by @himazu-san, thank you himazu 3:44 PM np peterthoeny 3:44 PM ---++ 4. TWiki Release Discussion 3:44 no update from me 3:45 in misc, let’s discuss server upgrade 3:45 anything on release? 3:45 ---++ 5. Miscellaneous 3:45 i’d like to give an update on twiki server upgrade haj 3:45 PM The only question I have is how to proceed with plugins which throw warnings with current Perl versions peterthoeny 3:45 PM any other item? 3:46 on plugins, if core plugins, should be fixed 3:46 any other: fix as we hear issues haj 3:46 PM Core is done 3:46 (I hope so) peterthoeny 3:46 PM so we are good 3:47 ok, back to server upgrade 3:47 i got a new vm installed 3:47 this weekend i will install the latest trunk, then test copy data 3:48 i’d like to switch over to new twiki first 3:48 then migrate develop.twiki.org 3:48 the latter needs to be finished before mid august 3:49 due to cancellation of datapipe isp 3:52 new server on temporary ip http://66.220.11.189/do/view/Main/WebHome 3:52 we will reuse the current ip address on switch-over so that no dns change is needed 3:52 that is all i have on server upgrade 3:53 any feedback? 3:54 if not, shall we close the meeting? haj 3:54 PM That sounds pretty good himazu 3:56 PM Slack seems to work better for me. 3:57 It withstands connection interruption 3:57 while http://webchat.freenode.net does not peterthoeny 3:57 PM yup, looks good over mobile hotspot as well himazu 3:57 PM the iOS app works well too peterthoeny 3:58 PM that’s what i use 3:58 ok, i’ll still send invite for irc, but let’s switch over to slack at beginning of meeting 3:59 let’s close this meeting, +59 min himazu 3:59 PM TTYL peterthoeny 3:59 PM thank you @haj & @himazu-san! 4:00 oh, adding -san results in no link 4:00 maybe i omit the -san on slack if that is ok himazu 4:01 PM No worries peterthoeny 4:02 PM ok, ttyl