Subject: KampalaMeetingLog-2017-06-01.txt Date: June 1, 2017 at 3:53:21 PM PDT [15:01:20] Hi Peter [15:01:42] guten abend HaraldJoerg, good morning HideyoImazu-san! [15:02:13] what's new in germany and japan? [15:02:31] I came across this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me [15:03:03] There are many ways to say "It's all Greek to me" in German [15:03:18] Hehe... In German, its Spanish instead if Greek: "Das kommt mir spanisch vor" [15:03:43] haha [15:04:21] In Spain, it is "esto me suena a chino" [15:04:39] i got a new camera and lenses, from the out of court settlement i had last year where an airline used one of my photos without license [15:04:41] I guess we can get around the world by following these sayings [15:05:22] what camera did you get, Peter? [15:05:46] sony a7 II [15:06:05] full frame, with image stabilization on sensor, e.g. sensor wobbles [15:06:28] so that vintage lenses can be stabilized [15:07:01] got a wide angle lens for night sky, 180 degrees edge to edge [15:07:42] HideyoImazu-san, are you around? [15:07:48] yes [15:08:18] a7 II has 5 axes stabilization [15:08:24] tonight i will give a regex talk at the silicon valley perl meetup group [15:08:50] 5 axis [15:09:08] yup [15:09:43] if you use sony lens image stabilization is done partly by sensor, partly by camera [15:09:45] Regexes: It was not before this week that I actually had a use case for Perl's zero-width lookbehind assertion [15:10:17] regex has so many bells and wistles [15:10:38] "Split a string on ':' but not if it is escaped as '\:' [15:10:40] i don't recall using lookbehind [15:10:59] ah, makes sense [15:11:46] NIST Common Platform Enumeration (CPE) has such things [15:12:24] for cases like this i usually do change "\:" to temp char, do split, change temp char back [15:12:42] is fast, but lookbehind is likely faster [15:12:54] That leaves you with guesswork what's a safe temp char [15:13:14] \x00 etc are safe [15:13:34] at least in perl [15:13:40] Harald, what if \ is escaped? [15:13:45] \\: [15:14:11] Oh, interesting test case. I'll see if I got that covered [15:14:24] time check: +14 min [15:14:27] shall we start? [15:14:32] sure [15:14:34] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2017x06x01 [15:14:47] 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [15:14:47] 2. Extensions [15:14:47] 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [15:14:47] 4. TWiki Release Discussion [15:14:47] 5. Miscellaneous [15:14:57] 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [15:15:06] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges [15:15:39] let's go one by one [15:15:47] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CreateWebExcludeTopic [15:16:24] it should be straightforward [15:16:39] personally i don't have a use case for this, but looks good to me [15:17:04] simple implementation, out of the way for those who don't need it [15:17:10] i am for it [15:17:38] +1 with me of course [15:17:41] +1 [15:17:59] thanks! [15:18:08] I have no problems with that because, as peter said, it's out of my way [15:18:25] ok, accepted by this release meeting [15:18:28] Is it safe enough to exclude if, after you checked, new topics are added? [15:19:05] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiWithCurrentPerl [15:19:08] good point [15:19:27] older topic, HaraldJoerg added content [15:19:41] I may need to get the list of topics, exclude specified, and then copy topics [15:20:08] For CurrentPerl HideyoImazo brought up the topic of LocalLib.cfg, which I had overlooked [15:20:54] I think the error handling when setlib.cfg handles LocalLib.cfg should be improved [15:22:05] it will take more discussion. let's continue discussing on TWiki:Codev/TWikiWithCurrentPerl [15:22:11] what is the consensus on solving the bootstrap? [15:22:22] ok [15:22:59] I'd postpone a consensus to the next meeting. We've found some issues, but no simple solution [15:23:33] ok [15:23:39] The current workaround to the CGI::Carp issue isn't good enough, as HideyoImazu has pointed out [15:24:36] my take on high level: for configure, no problem if error is shown just in apache log (with possible "look in error log” message in browser) [15:25:09] for view script, better to show meaningful message in browser [15:25:38] next: [15:25:39] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MdrepoBerkeleyDB2Sereal [15:25:54] just posted today (for me with tomorrow's commit date) [15:26:22] it doesn't bother most TWiki installations [15:26:24] (the usa is behind, like in today's climate decision) [15:27:16] I've never heard anybody other than me is using mdrepo [15:27:17] is sereal part of perl core? [15:27:26] no [15:27:31] yes, same here [15:27:39] DB_File is not either [15:27:50] is mdrepo loaded conditionally? [15:27:57] yes [15:28:06] so, no-brainer [15:28:11] to switch [15:28:26] would you like to vote now? [15:28:32] yes [15:28:36] +1 [15:28:47] +1 [15:29:12] Sounds good to me. Sereal has a couple of high-profile Perl people and was sponsored by Booking.com [15:29:13] +1 [15:29:36] ok, accepted by release meeting [15:29:38] thanks! [15:29:44] anything else on features? [15:30:04] Nope [15:30:11] ---++ 2. Extensions [15:30:20] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges [15:30:48] no update since last time [15:30:52] sorry I put a comment on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebAdminTopic [15:31:44] ah, yes, that topic has no committed developer anyway, so no action [15:31:50] good coment on workaround [15:31:56] "comment" [15:32:36] ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [15:32:43] http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges [15:33:34] many topic actions by HaraldJoerg, thank you for working making twiki work on modern env! [15:34:07] would you like to discuss some items? [15:34:45] Thanks to HideyoImazu for fixing the servertime issue [15:34:56] np [15:35:02] it's a small change [15:35:13] TWikibug:tem7813: WEBLIST{} to have reverse="on" parameter [15:35:28] thanks HideyoImazu-san for this no-brainer feature! [15:35:40] And a quite sensible solution to TWiki's strange definition of "timezone", too [15:36:06] TWikibug:Item7752: SERVERTIME is always identical to GMTIME [15:36:17] thanks HideyoImazu-san for working on this [15:36:40] as well as related: [15:36:53] TWikibug:Item7811: A few related GMT/BST (gmtime/localtime) / daylight-saving time queries/problems. TWiki uses GMT but (I believe probably) should use BST [15:36:57] why bst? [15:37:21] not quite [15:37:44] the person who wrote want to see his local time, which happens to be BST [15:37:57] that's the way I understand it [15:38:15] there was nothing I did specifically for Item 7811 [15:38:33] that's not true [15:38:39] so the change is only for localtime [15:38:52] e.g. servertime as is? [15:38:53] I did make a change for Item7811 [15:39:06] but it's not specifically for BST [15:39:59] time stamp on log files now follows cfg{DisplayTimeZone} [15:40:43] ah i see [15:40:51] oops cfg{DisplayTimeValues} [15:41:27] so no change fotr log if gmtime is specified? [15:41:56] correct [15:42:00] ok [15:42:00] gmtime has always been fine [15:42:37] rany cramer asked in twiki-dev mailing list about this, could you reply? [15:42:49] anything else on bugs? [15:43:18] I will reply to Rany [15:43:18] ---++ 4. TWiki Release Discussion [15:44:48] sorry, my bad, his name is randy [15:44:59] i have no news on release [15:45:07] also no news on code sanitize [15:45:11] same here [15:45:13] anything? [15:45:24] ---+ 5. Miscellaneous [15:45:28] anything? [15:46:03] 1. develop.twiki.org hosting [15:46:21] i tend towards hosting it on twiki.org [15:46:40] or, did you have some news on hosting? [15:47:22] No news from me [15:47:34] related to this: [15:47:39] I haven't used hosting services other than a very cheap VM [15:47:41] 2. twiki.org upgrade [15:48:09] since last month twiki.org is on a now obsolete centos version [15:48:21] e.g i need to upgrade the vm [15:48:41] at same time, likely update twiki [15:49:02] from centos 5 to 7 [15:49:12] i will work on this [15:49:29] not sure if i find time before my europe trip [15:50:07] tomorrow in a week i'll be in iceland and switzerland for two weeks [15:50:32] that is all i have [15:50:44] do you have anything? [15:50:52] nope [15:50:59] Nope [15:51:14] ok let's close the meeting [15:51:27] i'll post the logs and minutes as usual [15:51:41] ttyl HaraldJoerg & HideyoImazu-san! [15:51:51] TTYL [15:51:57] TTYL [15:52:00] HaraldJoerg (~haj@ip5f5bf8f9.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left the channel