Subject: KampalaMeetingLog-2017-04-20.txt Date: April 20, 2017 at 3:54:35 PM PDT [14:59:14] PeterThoeny (~PeterThoe@twiki/founder/peterthoeny) joined the channel [14:59:14] Mode is +nt [14:59:25] Hello! [14:59:42] Hi Harald and Peter [14:59:53] hi HaraldJoerg & HideyoImazu-san! [15:00:37] HaraldJoerg: did you get the invite? hideyo-san missed it [15:00:43] wondering if an issue with my mail [15:01:42] did you send one as usual? [15:01:55] yes [15:02:04] Just checked, received the mail yesterday [15:02:06] 24+3 hours ago [15:02:18] ah [15:02:33] maybe my company's spam filter blocked it [15:02:45] possibly [15:03:26] i'll send a note today to twiki-dev when minutes page is updated, you can check if you get that [15:03:43] what's new in japan and germany? [15:04:24] This week was rather cold, snow again [15:05:21] i talked to my mom this morning, they had -7c today in the swiss mountains [15:05:31] it's warm in Tokyo. There was a day when the high was 28C [15:05:45] and tomorrow should get even colder [15:06:03] that's warm for tokyo at this time of the year [15:06:13] right [15:06:28] california is finally out of drought [15:06:40] yesterday and today are rather normal. between 11 and 20C [15:06:48] we had some rain in last few days, now nice again [15:07:25] i am now contemplating to buy en electric motorcycle [15:07:55] forgot to mention, but I have a hard stop in 30 min. [15:08:05] found a good deal [15:08:13] ok, let's start [15:08:19] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2017x04x20 [15:08:34] 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [15:08:34] 2. Extensions [15:08:34] 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [15:08:34] 4. TWiki Release Discussion [15:08:34] 5. Miscellaneous [15:08:47] ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release [15:08:53] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges [15:09:21] it looks like no update since last time [15:09:23] anything? [15:09:54] nothing from me [15:09:56] ---++ 2. Extensions [15:09:58] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges [15:10:01] Nothing new anyway [15:10:50] http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/AutoSectionsPluginDev [15:11:22] only a question, no feature update on extensions [15:11:39] question is by pete jones of cern [15:11:51] I'll take care of it [15:11:56] thanks [15:12:01] anything on extensions? [15:12:20] Nope [15:13:17] ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [15:13:22] http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges [15:13:49] TWikibug:Item7804: Add "float right" options to TWikiDashboardAddOn [15:13:55] i'll take care of this [15:14:21] TWikibug:Item7803: Document + shorthand on VarTOPICTITLE page [15:14:26] i'll update the docs [15:14:53] TWikibug:Item7800: Add NatEdit Plugin [15:15:38] i think this is a nice to have [15:15:47] wait for someone to take ownership [15:16:15] personally i like raw edit, so i welcome a toolbar for those who like raw edit [15:16:43] TWikibug:Item7802: WYSIWYG Editor breaks div with variable embedded [15:17:16] fixing that possibly opens a can of worm [15:17:33] workaround: embed in tags [15:18:25] TWikibug:Item7801: Avoid adding web qualifier to parent topic on move or copy [15:18:59] this should be fixed eventually; needs owner [15:19:22] TWikibug:Item7786: Add type=author to Meta Search [15:19:55] http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7786 [15:20:11] some back and forth on this one [15:20:57] Definitely no bug, but a request for an enhancement [15:21:03] yup [15:21:15] ah, she wants author of rev 1 [15:21:26] SEARCH only searches the top rev [15:21:54] Everything else would be much more than a plain grep [15:22:01] but i recall that formatted search has a created by var? [15:22:26] Yes, but at that stage you already have the result set [15:22:43] yes, $createusername [15:22:45] And for each element of the result set you can fetch revision 1 [15:22:52] | =$createusername= | Login name of topic revision 1, e.g. =jsmith= | [15:22:59] so she can use that [15:23:07] i'll update the topic [15:23:23] read the fine manual [15:23:32] That doesn't filter - you can't search for "created my PeterThoeny" [15:23:42] s/my/by/ [15:24:00] ah, right [15:24:26] ok, let's move on [15:24:30] The creator isn't part of the metadata [15:24:40] filtering SEARCH result with DATATBL (DataTablePlugin) will do the job [15:25:09] Yes, but if you need to do this then I agree with Vicki that it is cumbersome [15:25:24] and METASEARCH has now rev="1" parameter either [15:25:25] it is cumbersome [15:26:24] you can also filter the result with format="$percntCALCULATE{$IF(...)}$percnt" [15:26:39] i have done that in the past [15:26:47] a bit clumsy but works [15:27:01] back to bug items [15:27:07] next items are by you HaraldJoerg [15:27:16] i have seen checkin activity [15:27:18] thank you! [15:27:34] i'll update the plugin topics with rev info [15:27:36] Yes, that's the stuff going on for Perl 5.24 [15:27:54] Opened another can of worms with unit tests [15:28:09] vicki posted a whole bunch of additional topics [15:28:16] we can't go through all now [15:28:30] anything that jumps out and warrants a discussion? [15:28:36] Item7791 is a real bug [15:29:03] TWikibug:Item7791: Error in Detailed Items Query - Use of uninitialized value in concatenation [15:29:05] indeed [15:29:18] probably easy to fix [15:29:22] HideyoImazu: That was caused by one of your checkins... I assume that it is safe to default webname to the empty string, but didn't have time to test [15:29:53] OK. I'll take care of that [15:30:17] ok, thank you [15:30:22] any other item? [15:30:51] ---++ 4. TWiki Release Discussion [15:30:52] How shall we proceed with Locale::Maketext and friends (Item7790)? [15:31:00] ok, [15:31:39] TWikibug:Item7790: TWiki's included version of Locale::Maketext::Lexicon doesn't compile in Perl 5.24 [15:31:47] not sure [15:31:51] I need to leave now. TTYL [15:31:53] any suggestion [15:32:02] TWiki ships it, but it has created a warning for ages and fails with Perl 5.24 (and probably 5.22 which is in the current Ubuntu version) [15:32:10] ok, ttyl HideyoImazu-san [15:32:15] thank you! [15:32:22] We could upgrade, but the distribution has changed quite a lot [15:32:44] maybe upgrade not to the latest version? [15:33:14] I don't think compatibility with the current version is an issue [15:33:36] what is the concern? [15:33:51] It's rather how much we need to include of all the Maketext stuff [15:35:18] maketext is needed for those who use localized setting [15:35:31] What we ship now is sort of "incomplete", but works [15:35:33] just using latest lib ok? [15:35:46] Yes, I guess so [15:35:49] or not ship at all? [15:36:19] That's the other possibility - but then we again have the I'm-not-root-issue [15:36:27] if not ship, we introduce a new dependency [15:36:42] yes, i rather ship the module [15:37:08] or, we could not ship, and make maketext degrade gracefully if lib not installed [15:37:30] but that is some work, so easiest just to ship with latest lib [15:37:38] Yep [15:37:49] any other bug item? [15:38:55] ---++ 4. TWiki Release Discussion [15:39:22] i have no update on app installer [15:39:33] to many other things going on [15:39:43] Indeed... here too [15:39:59] HideyoImazu (ddfc2e55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.221.252.46.85) left IRC (Quit: Page closed) [15:40:08] ---++ 5. Miscellaneous [15:40:32] i have one item [15:40:34] you? [15:40:39] Nothing [15:41:08] the isp/sponsor of develop.twiki.org came back: we need to pay [15:41:41] So no longer a sponsor= [15:41:42] so, we should either look for a new sponsor, or move to twiki.org server as a new virtual domain [15:41:48] yup [15:42:39] which way should we go? [15:43:05] I'd think a virtual domain should be fine, but I have no idea about the actual server load [15:43:33] i have one concern about the current twiki.org setup [15:43:52] when backup is running, the whole server gets very sluggish [15:44:23] during that time cpu load can be high [15:44:38] which makes page load slow [15:44:43] What backup tool are you using? [15:45:17] just an rsync to an nfs mounted drive [15:45:54] for testing i created my own rsync like script using simple cp, made no difference in performance impact [15:46:09] e.g. i don't think it's an issue of rsync [15:46:43] because of that performance issue during backup i am a bit concerned of adding the develop.twiki.org load [15:47:21] Would changing all the old TWiki webs to readonly help? [15:47:50] i don't think that will make a difference [15:48:33] twiki.org has already page caching, 10% cache miss, e.g. 90% outside twiki script [15:48:51] still slow when backup is on, also if cached page is served [15:49:08] i will bring this up with the current isp [15:49:08] If they are readonly, you don't need a regular backup [15:49:26] well, rsync only sends changes [15:49:39] rsync still needs to check filesystems, and on NFS this is incredibly slow [15:49:50] ah, good point [15:50:12] I guess that using TWiki's internal bookkeeping (.changes) would help a lot [15:50:52] ok, i'll discuss with isp [15:51:18] that is all i have [15:52:11] I've nothing else... if I've some spare time left, next thing on my todo list would be to fix the unit tests of TWikiUserMapping [15:52:24] ok [15:52:28] thank you! [15:52:36] i'll post the logs and minutes as usual [15:52:44] ttyl HaraldJoerg! [15:52:48] TTYL! [15:52:50] gute nacht! 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