Subject: KampalaMeetingLog-2017-03-02.txt Date: March 2, 2017 at 3:35:23 PM GMT+1 [15:01:04] PeterThoeny (~PeterThoe@twiki/founder/peterthoeny) joined the channel [15:01:04] Mode is +nt [15:01:26] hi HaraldJoerg! [15:01:37] Good afternoon! [15:01:46] good evening [15:02:13] hideyo-san excused himself, so looks like just us [15:02:25] what's new in germany? [15:02:44] Oh, it starts to rain instead of snowing [15:04:35] And though (or because?) I am using TWiki quite excessively, I don't have time to develop stuff.. [15:04:44] yes, not too cold last week in switzerland [15:05:08] Occasionally I am lurking in the Support web, and that's all [15:05:40] i am not that active myself recently [15:05:50] should hang out more in support web [15:06:02] thank you for helping out the community [15:06:53] shall we do formal or informal meeting? [15:07:24] Well, we can do informal since I don't have anything to contribute to the usual agenda [15:07:40] ok [15:07:56] there are no pressing bugs to discuss anyway [15:08:20] ...apart from the bloody annoying Item7721 [15:08:25] i was just at a client where we use the LdapNgPlugin [15:08:32] But I don't have any news on that either [15:08:51] that plugin does not cache queries [15:08:51] I never touched LDAP so far :) [15:09:10] e.g. can be slow if you have several queries [15:09:36] so how do you handle directory info in your twiki? [15:09:36] That's the usual tradeoff between being up-to-date or fast [15:10:02] I don't have to... I just redirect to the regular intranet corporate directory where needed [15:10:18] what about auth? [15:10:19] TWiki groups are totally different from Active Directory groups [15:10:43] Authentication is in one case with Apache/Kerberos and in one case with Template Login [15:11:24] i never used kerberos, single signon right? [15:11:35] Yes, supported by Windows since Win2000 [15:12:02] with template login you need a password manager; in your case twiki internal? [15:12:06] mod_auth_kerb is a package provided by many Linux distributions, so not too much of a hassle [15:12:32] ah good to know [15:12:36] Yes, the template installation is all-TWiki. It's a small installation with external partners [15:13:16] in my case, client wants to pull email, title etc from ldap into twiki [15:13:28] two options: [15:13:28] The only challenge with mod_auth_kerb is that you need buy-in by the AD staff because the web server needs a machine account [15:13:51] 1. dynamic ldap query for all necessary fields [15:14:01] plus: always accurate [15:14:07] minus: slow [15:14:34] 2. pre-fill fields in registration page [15:14:42] plus: fast [15:14:51] minus: gets out of date [15:15:21] option 1 could be mitigated by enhancing the plugin with cache [15:15:53] Yes, but can be a nightmare when queries are spread far [15:16:04] option 2 could be mitigated with a custom script that updates fields of all users from ldap on a regular basis [15:16:10] We have some 100.000 employees, the cache might grow a bit :) [15:16:27] haha, not feasable in your case [15:16:37] I'd rather go for a cron job... [15:16:46] "feasible" [15:17:04] Not feasable either :) [15:17:34] not decided yet, but yes, inclining way of script and cron job [15:18:29] this is for a law firm with several thousands of users [15:19:33] any idea for new plugin? [15:19:56] No, I'm still stuck with the basics [15:20:35] one area that could need some tlc is cron job [15:20:52] I've only the core plugins plus HolidaylistPlugin, which makes an excellent calendar [15:21:04] a plugin to standardize scheduled tasks [15:21:26] Yes, but that's rather platform dependent [15:21:57] well, yes for the underlying scheduling [15:22:09] the point is to standardize this [15:23:11] something along the line of IfThenActionPlugin [15:23:30] Ah, I see... managing the schedule in a topic [15:23:39] where you have a page to install & configure actions based on triggers [15:24:17] and action handlers implemented by perl modules [15:24:47] in fact, this plugin could be enhanced with a time trigger [15:25:01] i have to think that through [15:26:10] other topic i have not yet made progress with app packager [15:26:20] so now news on that front :-( [15:27:35] otherwise having fun with photography [15:27:50] photo i took in switzerlang: [15:27:51] https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterthoeny/32694689700/in/photostream/lightbox/ [15:28:04] "switzerland" [15:28:06] Is that HDR? [15:28:09] yes [15:28:17] paintery hdr [15:28:58] hdr and post-processing takes time [15:29:04] I've only recently read a bit of theory about color spaces and stuff [15:29:05] this one took around 2h [15:29:52] Occasionally I create raytracing stuff which takes waaay more than 2 hours per picture :) [15:30:33] if you want to go deep on theory i recommend watching the free video classes by stanford prof marc levoy [15:30:35] http://graphics.stanford.edu/~levoy/ [15:31:01] lecture 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7HrM-fk_Rc [15:31:55] i have nothing else on twiki at this time [15:32:38] shall we close the meeting? [15:32:39] Me neither, besides the fact that I'm getting still faster with creating TWiki apps [15:32:47] Yes, we can close [15:33:01] yup, twiki app programming is fun [15:33:22] ok, i'll post the logs and minutes as usual [15:33:32] thanks HaraldJoerg & gute nacht! [15:33:46] Ciao, see you in two weeks [15:33:57] see you next time [15:33:59] HaraldJoerg (~haj@ip5f5bea34.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) left the channel