Subject: KampalaMeetingLog2016x11x03.txt
Date: November 3, 2016 3:43:48 PM PDT

[3:00pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Peter
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu-san!
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: what's new in tokyo?
[3:01pm] HideyoImazu: finally you don't have trouble connecting
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[3:01pm] HideyoImazu: it gets colder. heater is on.
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: once i started using tls over hotspot it works
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: getting a bit colder here too
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: on sat we will have a big event with swiss club
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: my son got a new racing motorcycle
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: that's about it on my side
[3:04pm]  You left the chat by being disconnected from the server.

[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: i am back
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: i was frolocking too early on stable irc connection
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: what is the last you saw from me?
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: once i started using tls over hotspot it works
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: getting a bit colder here too
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: on sat we will have a big event with swiss club
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: my son got a new racing motorcycle
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: that's about it on my side
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: i saw it on FB
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: that's what i sent earlier
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: how fast can it get?
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: irc has no feedback if a message is not sent
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: i actually don't know how fast
[3:10pm] HideyoImazu: IRC uses UDP, so probably IRC client cannot know if a message is really delivered or not
[3:11pm] HideyoImazu: Tokyo gets colder. Lows are below 10C these days. Heater is on.
[3:11pm] HideyoImazu: that I sent before you were disconnected
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: ah
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: even using udp it is possible to check delivery with a higher protocol on the app level
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: the whole irc is too complicated and too unreliable
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: comparing, skype just works
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: shall we switch to skype?
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: or Google Hangout?
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: maybe we should from now on, what do you think?
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: or google hangout
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: i am not too familiar with g hangout
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: possible group chat?
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: or is video primarily focus?
[3:14pm]  HideyoImazu_ joined the chat room.
[3:14pm] HideyoImazu_: I was disconnected and am back.
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: what is the last you saw from me?
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu_: given the track record of IRC, we should consider using something else
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu_: I saw "what do you think"?
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: or google hangout
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: i am not too familiar with g hangout
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: possible group chat?
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: or is video primarily focus?
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: (end of what i typed earlier)
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu_: I'm not either. but shouldn't be so difficult to use
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: skype goup chat is easy, and you can leave the group chat open for next time
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu_: Hangout can be used w/o video
[3:18pm]  HideyoImazu left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[3:18pm] HideyoImazu_: ok. shall we try skype group chat?
[3:18pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: personally i prefer skype over g because i have skype on all the time

[2016-11-03 3:19:50 PM] Peter Thoeny: hi
[2016-11-03 3:19:58 PM] himazu: hi
[2016-11-03 3:20:34 PM] Peter Thoeny: in skype i think you can't create a group from scratch
[2016-11-03 3:20:53 PM] Peter Thoeny: you add people to an existing one-on-one i think
[2016-11-03 3:21:09 PM] himazu: that's not ideal
[2016-11-03 3:21:32 PM] Peter Thoeny: but: once a group is established it sticks
[2016-11-03 3:21:48 PM] Peter Thoeny: harald is not here today so we can;t test
[2016-11-03 3:22:25 PM] Peter Thoeny: we can try next time harald joins
[2016-11-03 3:22:41 PM] Peter Thoeny: shall we start with the meeting?
[2016-11-03 3:22:43 PM] Peter Thoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2016x11x03
[2016-11-03 3:22:53 PM] Peter Thoeny: 
  1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
  2. Extensions
  3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
  4. Miscellaneous
[2016-11-03 3:23:11 PM] Peter Thoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[2016-11-03 3:23:22 PM] Peter Thoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges
[2016-11-03 3:23:55 PM] Peter Thoeny: ah, new one by you
[2016-11-03 3:23:59 PM] Peter Thoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WarnWhenClosingEditPage
[2016-11-03 3:24:11 PM] Peter Thoeny: absolutely, this is needed
[2016-11-03 3:24:16 PM] Peter Thoeny: easy to implement
[2016-11-03 3:24:17 PM] himazu: I've posted it before the meeting.
[2016-11-03 3:24:54 PM] Peter Thoeny: i have done that recently with a node.js based web app for a client
[2016-11-03 3:25:31 PM] himazu: once it's done for the edit page, the same should be done for AutoSectionsPlugin
[2016-11-03 3:25:45 PM] Peter Thoeny: what is your second point, "without changing" ?
[2016-11-03 3:26:10 PM] himazu: there are people who click the "Edit" button only to see the raw text.
[2016-11-03 3:26:27 PM] Peter Thoeny: ah
[2016-11-03 3:26:35 PM] himazu: Some of them click "Save" thinking that that makes no change.
[2016-11-03 3:26:41 PM] Peter Thoeny: that is more involved in detecting that on the server
[2016-11-03 3:27:04 PM] Peter Thoeny: ah, i meant something else
[2016-11-03 3:27:06 PM] himazu: it can be detected on the client side, right?
[2016-11-03 3:27:16 PM] Peter Thoeny: yes, what you have in mind
[2016-11-03 3:27:36 PM] Peter Thoeny: i was thinking of another case
[2016-11-03 3:27:51 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 1 edits a page, thus has the lock
[2016-11-03 3:27:57 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 1 makes no changes
[2016-11-03 3:28:06 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 2 edits page and gets lock warning
[2016-11-03 3:28:21 PM] Peter Thoeny: this could be changed to:
[2016-11-03 3:28:34 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 1 edits a page, no lock
[2016-11-03 3:28:41 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 1 makes no change
[2016-11-03 3:28:50 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 2 edits same page
[2016-11-03 3:29:13 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 1 starts to edit, this locks the page
[2016-11-03 3:29:42 PM] Peter Thoeny: user 2 tries to edit, gets "user 1 is editing page" message
[2016-11-03 3:29:51 PM] Peter Thoeny: this is possible, but more involved
[2016-11-03 3:30:11 PM] Peter Thoeny: requires ajax calls to send status back to server and get status from server
[2016-11-03 3:30:24 PM] Peter Thoeny: out of scope of your proposal
[2016-11-03 3:30:48 PM] himazu: I'll elaborate the proposal page to be clear.
[2016-11-03 3:30:53 PM] Peter Thoeny: ok
[2016-11-03 3:31:07 PM] Peter Thoeny: shall we vote?
[2016-11-03 3:31:13 PM] himazu: sure
[2016-11-03 3:31:14 PM] himazu: +1
[2016-11-03 3:31:15 PM] Peter Thoeny: +1
[2016-11-03 3:31:21 PM] Peter Thoeny: accepted by release meeting
[2016-11-03 3:31:41 PM] Peter Thoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions
[2016-11-03 3:31:49 PM] Peter Thoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[2016-11-03 3:32:15 PM] Peter Thoeny: AutoSectionsPlugin - updated by mahiro-san
[2016-11-03 3:32:35 PM] himazu: it's a minor JavaScript change for old IE.
[2016-11-03 3:32:50 PM] himazu: IE 9 or earlier to be specific
[2016-11-03 3:32:52 PM] Peter Thoeny: ah
[2016-11-03 3:33:09 PM] Peter Thoeny: still used by big corporations, i understand :-)
[2016-11-03 3:33:20 PM] himazu: which is not permissive about trailing comma, e.g. [a, b,]
[2016-11-03 3:33:40 PM] Peter Thoeny: ah yes
[2016-11-03 3:33:53 PM] himazu: we are not using IE 9 but there is an app which is still using IE9 component
[2016-11-03 3:34:27 PM] Peter Thoeny: anything else on extensions?
[2016-11-03 3:34:59 PM] himazu: no
[2016-11-03 3:35:08 PM] Peter Thoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[2016-11-03 3:35:10 PM] Peter Thoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[2016-11-03 3:35:30 PM] Peter Thoeny: no change besides the AutoSectionsPlugin
[2016-11-03 3:35:41 PM] Peter Thoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[2016-11-03 3:36:14 PM] Peter Thoeny: i have one topic
[2016-11-03 3:36:19 PM] Peter Thoeny: you anything?
[2016-11-03 3:36:31 PM] himazu: nothing from me
[2016-11-03 3:36:49 PM] Peter Thoeny: the person who exported the css came back with another example
[2016-11-03 3:36:58 PM] Peter Thoeny: i'll look into this, not done yet
[2016-11-03 3:37:37 PM] himazu: you mean cross-site scripting?
[2016-11-03 3:37:41 PM] Peter Thoeny: yes
[2016-11-03 3:37:53 PM] Peter Thoeny: same guy like last time we discussed
[2016-11-03 3:38:36 PM] Peter Thoeny: that is all i have
[2016-11-03 3:38:40 PM] Peter Thoeny: anything else?
[2016-11-03 3:38:49 PM] himazu: nothing from me
[2016-11-03 3:39:21 PM] Peter Thoeny: ok, let's close the meeting
[2016-11-03 3:39:26 PM] Peter Thoeny: i'll post the logs and minutes
[2016-11-03 3:39:39 PM] Peter Thoeny: thank you hideyo-san!
[2016-11-03 3:39:45 PM] himazu: thanks, Peter
[2016-11-03 3:39:49 PM] himazu: TTYL
[2016-11-03 3:39:57 PM] Peter Thoeny: ttyl