Subject: KampalaMeetingLog2016x10x06.txt
Date: October 6, 2016 at 4:16:48 PM PDT

[2:52pm] == HideyoImazu [ddfc2e55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.221.252.46.85] has joined #twiki_release
[3:05pm] BasabBijoy: hello!
[3:05pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Basab
[3:05pm] HideyoImazu: Peter is having problem with net connectivity
[3:05pm] BasabBijoy: Hi
[3:06pm] BasabBijoy: Ok
[3:06pm] HideyoImazu: let's wait for a few min for him
[3:06pm] BasabBijoy: fine
[3:07pm] HideyoImazu: Peter is saying hello to you over iMessage via me.
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: It's 3:30 am in India, right?
[3:08pm] BasabBijoy: yes.. 3:39
[3:08pm] BasabBijoy: and in Japan?
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: 7am
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: 3.5h time difference
[3:09pm] BasabBijoy: Good Morning to you
[3:09pm] BasabBijoy: hmm
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: good morning to you too
[3:09pm] BasabBijoy: thanks
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: where in India are you?
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: I'm in Tokyo
[3:09pm] == HaraldJoerg [~haj@ip5f5bf841.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #twiki_release
[3:09pm] HaraldJoerg: Hello guys - sorry for being late
[3:10pm] HideyoImazu: no worries
[3:10pm] BasabBijoy: Ok
[3:10pm] HideyoImazu: Peter is still struggling to connect
[3:09pm] HaraldJoerg: Ah, I had similar problems, too
[3:11pm] HideyoImazu: Harald, you are in a hotel or something?
[3:11pm] HaraldJoerg: No, I'm at home
[3:11pm] BasabBijoy: I am from Guwahati, Assam, its in the North east part of India
[3:11pm] HaraldJoerg: Had a couple of system updates and lost some settings
[3:11pm] == PeterThoeny [~PeterThoe@twiki/founder/peterthoeny] has joined #twiki_release
[3:11pm] HaraldJoerg: Nice, we're getting pretty international
[3:12pm] HideyoImazu: geographically diverse!
[3:12pm] BasabBijoy: Hmm
[3:12pm] HideyoImazu: 4 different time zones
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: hi BasabBijoy, HaraldJoerg, HideyoImazu!
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: i am finally online
[3:12pm] HaraldJoerg: Hi Peter!
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: trouble connecting
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: found out i hd to enable sasl
[3:13pm] BasabBijoy: i Peter
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: nice to e-meet you basab!
[3:13pm] BasabBijoy: same here
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: thank you for joining at this impossible time for you!
[3:14pm] BasabBijoy: I am very eger to join... the meeting
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: since you are new, could each of us do a short intro: company, what kind of twiki deployment, location...
[3:14pm] BasabBijoy: my mobile was on alarm at 3 AM
[3:14pm] BasabBijoy: Yea
[3:15pm] BasabBijoy: I am Basab , I work as Technical Superintendent at IIT Guwahati
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: i started twiki after i moved from japan to usa in 1998; initially at takefive software (that's where the 
t in twiki originates); now i do twiki and web dev consulting for various companies in the silicon valley
[3:16pm] BasabBijoy: ok.. nice
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: I started working on TWiki in 2008
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: so you use twiki at iit? how many active users?
[3:18pm] BasabBijoy: Yea we just started twiki for one of our research group
[3:18pm] BasabBijoy: and other research group are also planing to join
[3:19pm] BasabBijoy: but we will make it public next month
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: nice
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: do you use it as a regular wiki? did you also create twiki-fomrs based apps?
[3:21pm] BasabBijoy: no, we are using it as refular wiki
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: harald joins us from germany
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: we have now representatives around the world 
[3:22pm] HideyoImazu: I took a few years to start using TWikiForm based apps
[3:22pm] HaraldJoerg: For me the forms were the reason to chose TWiki
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: BasabBijoy:  i recommend looking into twiki apps, useful to automate wokflows, and to ceate inventories of 
all kind
[3:22pm] HaraldJoerg: after some comparison among wiki engines
[3:23pm] BasabBijoy: Yea I will definitely look for it
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: blog post to get started with twiki apps: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry201009x1
[3:23pm] BasabBijoy: ok thanks
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +23 min
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: we are late due to me arriving late, sorry
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: let's start
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2016x10x06
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: agenda:
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Extensions
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: let's dive in
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: i see no news on features
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: any feature you'd like to discuss?
[3:26pm] HaraldJoerg: Nope
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: non on my side either
[3:26pm] HideyoImazu: not from me
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: i have seen some fixes by HideyoImazu-san
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/AutoSectionsPlugin
[3:27pm] HideyoImazu: there was one file missing in the tgz and zip packages
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: ah, i see, font preferences fix
[3:27pm] HideyoImazu: so peter, please update twiki.org
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let me do that in the next few days
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i see on extensions
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: i have been very busy in the last few weeks, not twiki related, looking forward to getting more active again
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: anything else on extensions?
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: item Item7755 covers the AutoSectionsPlugin we already mentioned
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: no other changes since last meeting
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: anything on bugs?
[3:32pm] HaraldJoerg: Nothing serious... I stumbled over another low priority typo bug in a .spec file, not yet reporter
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: what extension?
[3:33pm] HaraldJoerg: IIRC (the holidays shrouded my memory) WysiwygPlugin.  There's just the comment sign missing at the 
beginning of a line, causing a warning in the web server's error log
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: ah
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: i have two things
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: do you guys have anything?
[3:34pm] HideyoImazu: nothing from me
[3:34pm] BasabBijoy: Can twiki include smtp ssl port  support
[3:35pm] BasabBijoy: for email
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: not in the current production twiki
[3:36pm] BasabBijoy: ok
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: someone posted a patch in the past, but it has not been taken into core, i think due to outdated 
library dependency
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: let me search
[3:36pm] HaraldJoerg: I had to patch in a related spot to enable STARTTLS, as required by a mail provider
[3:36pm] BasabBijoy: I just managed to get it work for me
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: found the proposal with patch:
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SMTPUseTLS
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: gmail and some other mail servers require tls (for reason on public internet), it would be good to have 
that supported as standard feature in twiki
[3:38pm] BasabBijoy: yes
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: BasabBijoy:  this could be a good project for you to get started if interested
[3:38pm] BasabBijoy: Yes I will do that
[3:38pm] HaraldJoerg: Unfortunately this is a version 0.12, not updated since 2012
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: that brings me to the first misc item i have:
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: 1. bring BasabBijoy up to speed on twiki dev
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: we have lot's of documentation, although a bit disorganized for new contributors
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: a good place to start is http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/GettingInvolved
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: there are potential pojects you can chose
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: we use subversion for version control, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SVN
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: we talked about moving to github at some time, no action so far
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: BasabBijoy, what are you familiar with?
[3:42pm] BasabBijoy: no
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: i mean what version control are you familiar with if any?
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: some more info on getting started
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: how to get started as a developer is described at 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SoYouWantToBeATWikiDeveloper
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: btw if you see some doc errors please feel free to fix, same with doc enhancements
[3:45pm] BasabBijoy: 6.0.2
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: core twiki features are proposed and tracked at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: btw, this is a live twiki app 
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: a twiki app with forms and reports embedded in twiki pages
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: for example, if you'd like to work on the smtp with tls feature you coulkd pick up on the existing 
feature page
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: edit the topic, put yourself down as the committed developer
[3:48pm] BasabBijoy: ok
[3:48pm] PeterThoeny: feature proposals are handled based on a process the community defined, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: initially you could attach a patch to the feature poposal topic
[3:49pm] BasabBijoy: ok
[3:49pm] BasabBijoy: k
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: one of us can check it into subversion
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: once yoyu feel comfortable you can request subversion checkin access so that you can check-in by yourself
[3:50pm] BasabBijoy: ok
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SoYouWantToBeATWikiDeveloper has a link to request subversion acceess
[3:51pm] BasabBijoy: hmm
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: so, this is the process for core twiki features
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: as well as extensions that are shipped with the twiki core distribution such as wysiwygplugin
[3:52pm] BasabBijoy: ok.. i will follow it
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: extension that do not ship with twiki have no fomal process, just post whatever you like
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: we documented the packaging format so that the installer can properly find and install extensions
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: getting started with extensions is described at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/ReadmeFirst
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: as you can see, a lot of information
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: don't be sacred about all that docs
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: i recommend to take small steps
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: and we are here to help you with questions
[3:55pm] PeterThoeny: i recommend you subscribe to the twiki-dev mailing list
[3:55pm] BasabBijoy: ok i will do that
[3:55pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiDevMailingList
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: we announce release meetings on that list
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: you can also ask dev questions
[3:56pm] BasabBijoy: ok
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: if you have a production twiki it is important to be on the twiki-announce mailing list to get alerts of 
new releass and security issues
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAnnounceMailingList
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: do you have any questions?
[3:59pm] BasabBijoy: none from me at this point
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +59 min
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: i have one more short item:
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: 2. potential new xss vulnerability
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: we got an email to twiki-security by a security researcher on a new vulnerability
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: i have not yet looked at it
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: i'll do that over the weekend
[4:00pm] HideyoImazu: the two examples didn't work
[4:01pm] HideyoImazu: they are supposed to do alert(), but didn't for me
[4:01pm] PeterThoeny: we will triage the issue based on our process documented at 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiSecurityAlertProcess
[4:01pm] PeterThoeny: ah, thanks for checking!
[4:01pm] PeterThoeny: i'll do the same
[4:02pm] PeterThoeny: if it is a severity 1 or 2 we should create a new patch release
[4:02pm] PeterThoeny: we'll see
[4:02pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i have
[4:03pm] PeterThoeny: anything more on this or other topic?
[4:03pm] HaraldJoerg: Nothing from me
[4:04pm] HideyoImazu: me either
[4:04pm] BasabBijoy: none
[4:04pm] PeterThoeny: if not, let's close the meeting
[4:04pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the mogs and minutes as usual
[4:04pm] PeterThoeny: i missed the first part of the logs, could someone send me the logs before i arrived via e-mail?
[4:05pm] HideyoImazu: will do
[4:05pm] PeterThoeny: thanks HideyoImazu-san!
[4:05pm] PeterThoeny: ok, ttyl guys!
[4:05pm] PeterThoeny: thanks for attending!
[4:06pm] HaraldJoerg: TTYL!
[4:06pm]  HaraldJoerg left the chat room. (Quit: HaraldJoerg)
[4:06pm] BasabBijoy: Thanks 2 all