Subject: KampalaMeetingLog2015x09x03.txt
Date: September 3, 2015 6:04:43 PM PDT

[3:01pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[3:01pm]  HaraldJoerg joined the chat room.
[3:01pm] HaraldJoerg: good evening!
[3:02pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Harald
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: good morning HideyoImazu-san & good evening HaraldJoerg!
[3:02pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Peter
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: what's new?
[3:03pm] HideyoImazu: I attended YAPC Asia in Tokyo two weeks ago
[3:04pm] HaraldJoerg: Nice
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: ah, any interesting thing you learned?
[3:04pm] HideyoImazu: maybe you guys already know but I got to know Perl 6 will be finally released in Dec
[3:04pm] HideyoImazu: I heard that in Larry Wall's talk
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: cool
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: larry will give a talk at the sf perl group next month
[3:05pm] HaraldJoerg: It will take years to get a solid base of Perl6 modules, though
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: i might attend
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: tonight i will go to the silicon valley perl group meetup
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: today's topic is testing
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: yes, perl 6 looked like a never ending story to get ready
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: good to finally get there
[3:06pm] HideyoImazu: this is also not new but Larry mentioned that Perl 6 goes away from complex regular 
expression and adopts "patter" while other languages are still using "Perl 5 regular expression"
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: but question how quickly it will get adopted by perl 5 users
[3:07pm] HaraldJoerg: Perl6 has incredibly nice features, but last time I tried it it was simply too slow 
for production
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: it's compiled to an intermediate code, then interpreted, right?
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: i have not looked into details of perl 6
[3:08pm] HaraldJoerg: Especially the pattern stuff, which allows to declare a "grammar" instead of parsing 
with regexes
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: that reminded of Google went away from Map Reduce years ago while people are using 
independent Map Reduce implementation
[3:09pm] HaraldJoerg: And yes, Perl 6 is compiled to an intermediate code - but so was Perl 5
[3:09pm] HaraldJoerg: The difference is that Perl 6 is just the language spec and not also the "one and 
only compiler" for this language
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: is cpan used for perl 6, or is there a different repo for modules?
[3:11pm] HaraldJoerg: You'll need a different repository
[3:11pm] HideyoImazu: modules.perl6.org ?
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: it looks like a major undertaking to move a big code base like twiki to perl 6
[3:13pm] HaraldJoerg: indeed, and I doubt that it's worth the effort right now
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: sure. it's a different language
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: not much news on my side
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: still looking for more consulting work
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: wanted to go to burning man (happening this week), could not get a ticket
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: ah, i have now my own domain where i sell the hdr prints: http://qualityhdr.com/
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: maybe ms in nyc can decorate the office? 
[3:15pm] HaraldJoerg: No news from me... I had two lazy weeks
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +15 min
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: let's get started
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2015x09x03
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: usual agenda:
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Extensions
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebChanges
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: i don't see any feature changes in last two weeks
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: anything you'd like to discuss?
[3:18pm] HaraldJoerg: Nope... I just tried to get AHAH working (again), but it fails on some browsers
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: that page takes a long time to load and render
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: the topic explorer looks interesting
[3:20pm] HaraldJoerg: Yes, because it is rather "self-contained" with examples and the building blocks for 
the examples
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:21pm] HaraldJoerg: Recent browsers don't accept script tags in the body, so they don't process the AHAH 
requests
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: oh, i did not know that recent browsers choke on script tags in body
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: security thingy?
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: twiki uses inline script tags in several places, such as reg page
[3:22pm] HaraldJoerg: I guess so, I haven't tested much.  They don't choke, they just ignore the element
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: i use the latest chrome and ff, and the reg page works as expected
[3:24pm] HaraldJoerg: Ah, now while writing I remember what the problem was: "Same origin policy"
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: ah, ok, so script in body is ok
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: but script loaded dynamically via ajax is not
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: that is security related
[3:25pm] HaraldJoerg: Yes, it needs to be configured, to the headers of the "accepting" page
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: you can tell the browser to take exception, forgot how
[3:26pm] HaraldJoerg: I have no access to my dev equipment today, I seem to recall that it is done by a 
HTTP header
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: yes, there is a acronym for that i forgot
[3:27pm] HaraldJoerg: Yep, mee too 
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: let's continue
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:27pm] HideyoImazu: CORS ?
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: i think something like that!
[3:28pm] HaraldJoerg: Correct!
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: yes, that's it
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: - MailInContrib:
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: i did a small enhancement to defuse %VARS% and %VARS{}% so that they do not expand
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: i use this extension now extensively in my twiki based crm
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: to document client interactions when consulting
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: pretty useful
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: every client has a page in the crm
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: that page has a header that shows form values
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: the header also has a self-selected text with the email to "mail into this topic"
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: that is the only extension that changed in last 14 days
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: ah, i got an email with patches for DBIQueryPlugin
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: when i find time i'll incorporate the patches
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: we got a number of reports on cgi version issue
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: already addressed with harlad's cgicontrib
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: ah, one more plugin enhancement in last 14 days:
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7681
[3:34pm] HaraldJoerg: In the long run it would be a good idea to get rid of that :any stuff nevertheless
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: SendMailPlugin: If a WikiName is used, the person's registered e-mail address is used
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: agreed harald
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: i marked the items as "no action required" - shall i move them back as active?
[3:36pm] HaraldJoerg: No, i think "no action required" hits the nail
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:36pm] HaraldJoerg: Removing the stuff isn't *required*
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: anything on bugs?
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: nothing from me
[3:38pm] HideyoImazu: nothing from me too
[3:38pm] HaraldJoerg: Just a question: Is there a schedule for 6.0.2?
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: ok let's close the meeting, i'll post the minutes as usual
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu-san: can i call you to discuss something?
[3:39pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: use office number ending in 4312?
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: or skype?
[3:39pm] HideyoImazu: let's try skype
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: oh, i forgit one misc thing: 
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: "forgot"
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: we have 2 pending action items from the develop.twiki.org server move
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: 1. automated backup - on me
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: 2. get web-based diff installed using trac - HideyoImazu-san
[3:41pm] HideyoImazu: right
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: just wanted to mention so that it does not get forgotten
[3:41pm] HideyoImazu: sure. I still remember
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: i have done some manual backups just in case, but i want to reestablish daily backup 
ti twiki.org server
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let's close the meeting
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: ready on skype, hideyo-san?
[3:43pm] HaraldJoerg: Ok, ttyl
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: thank you HideyoImazu-san & HaraldJoerg!
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl
[3:43pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl