Subject: KampalaMeetingLog2014x09x04.txt
Date: September 4, 2014 3:59:44 PM PDT

[2:51pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[3:07pm] HideyoImazu: hi PeterThoeny. Are you there?
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu-san, sorry for the delay!
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: what's new?
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: summer seems over in Tokyo
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: no longer brutally hot and humid
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: here is cooling down a bit too
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: martin wenk, a swiss friend working on tokyo nominated me for the ice bucket challenge
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: "in"
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: ok
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: i had fun with it
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: i'll do it probably on sunday
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: will you take the challenge?
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: haha, nice!
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start with meeting?
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: +10 min
[3:10pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2014x09x04
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: usual agenda:
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Extensions
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CustomizeTopMenuSkinActionButtons
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: listed as accepted
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: probably done?
[3:12pm] HideyoImazu: cool
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: just checked, bug item is waiting for release
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: i just set to merged to core
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/VarVARbooleanVarISTRUE
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: this is likely done longer time ago
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: no bug item listed
[3:14pm] HideyoImazu: it's relatively an easy change
[3:14pm] HideyoImazu: but I haven't found time to work on it
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: oic
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: no new feature proposals
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu: I've just changed http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7536 to "Waiting for release"
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: ah, copy script causes a warning at lib/TWiki/UI/Copy.pm line 203
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: thanks
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:18pm] PeterThoeny: JQueryPlugin: yaojun and i discussed a css issue on JQTAB
[3:18pm] HideyoImazu: it's all right now, right?
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: discussed at http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7548
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: as you can imagine, I was discussing it with him
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: yes, he did some followup change
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: it looks all good now
[3:20pm] HideyoImazu: we ended up modifying our local skin a bit. but that's fine
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: however, he did the change only in the jquery-all.css, which is auto-generated
[3:20pm] HideyoImazu: ah
[3:21pm] HideyoImazu: i'll ping him about that
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: he needs to apply the same change to jquery.tabpane.css too
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: thanks
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: that way the changes are not lost if someone builds the plugin's combined css & js
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TWikiUserMappingContrib
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: small change: "Edit" link in info tile of profile topic is now a button
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: makes it more visible
[3:24pm] HideyoImazu: ok
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TopMenuSkin
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: yaojun did this:
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: TWikibug:Item7546: Top bar buttons on top right corner can be customized
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/EmailTwoStepAuthContrib
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: initial version is now done
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: two-stepo auth works now nicely
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: see diagram, was a bit complex to implement
[3:26pm] HideyoImazu: oh cool
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: but its all transparent, with minimal change to template login manager
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. could be easily added to other login managers
[3:27pm] HideyoImazu: the diagram looks nice. what tool did you use?
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: all functionality is delegated to two-step auth contrib
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: ppt
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: then screenshot
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: original ppt is in svn too
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: i now work on the SmsTwoStepAuthContrib
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: which has the same workflow, just with extra step of sms instead of e-mail
[3:29pm] HideyoImazu: nice
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: added complexity is to set mobile number and mobile carrier in user profile pages
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SendMailPlugin
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: i added this:
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: TWikibug:Item7547: Add REST interface to send mail
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: is needed by the sms 2-step auth logic
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i have on extensions
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:32pm] HideyoImazu: I ended up decided to keep the WorkflowNgPlugin name unchanged -- it's too late to change
[3:32pm] HideyoImazu: sorry about that
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: ok, np
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: was just a suggestion
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: we talked about copy script and jqtab
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: and top-menu with customizable buttons
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: that is all on bugs i have
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:34pm] HideyoImazu: no
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: ---+ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:35pm] HideyoImazu: I feel obliged to write about Fast CGI
[3:35pm] HideyoImazu: as of now, TWiki documentation is light about it
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: ah, yes, that would help
[3:36pm] HideyoImazu: please put that somewhere so that the chance for me to write that up for the next release
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: do you think as part of official twiki docs, as supplemental doc on twiki.org, or twiki.org blog?
[3:36pm] HideyoImazu: as part of official doc
[3:37pm] HideyoImazu: official doc should have it, right?
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: i think either way is ok
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: if part of official doc, a new topic linked from TWikiInstallationGuide
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: if supplemental doc, new topic in TWiki web on twiki.org, linked to from TWikiInstallationGuide
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki06x00/TWikiInstallationGuide
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: maybe a new section in installation doc called perlformance tuning?
[3:40pm] HideyoImazu: ok
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: "performance tuning"
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: freudian slip
[3:40pm] HideyoImazu: 
[3:41pm] HideyoImazu: incidentally, Perl 5.20 no longer has CGI.pm bundled, I recently learned. I wonder if CGI.pm 
should be in lib/CPAN
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: consider also a short blog with summary and link to fast cgi topic
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: good question
[3:41pm] HideyoImazu: right. it's worth a blog entry
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: maybe better not in lib/CPAN
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: all major distribs should have cgi, e.g.: yum install perl-CGI
[3:44pm] HideyoImazu: ok
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: we get sometimes questions on i18n
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: see for example latest one at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TWikiDashboardAddOnDev
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: do you think current docs are adequate?
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: i have not done utf-8 configs, no need so far on twikis i maintain (although it would be nice 
on twiki.org for evals)
[3:46pm] HideyoImazu: the current documentation is probably not adequate
[3:46pm] HideyoImazu: as long as you do raw text editing
[3:46pm] HideyoImazu: i18n characters can be put into topics
[3:47pm] HideyoImazu: but probably not with WYSIWYG unless you set charset=UTF-8
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: do you use wysiwyg editor at work with multi-byte chars?
[3:47pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[3:48pm] PeterThoeny: it would be helpful if someone with knowledge reviews and updates the i18n docs in regards to wysiwyg
[3:49pm] HideyoImazu: please put that to a to-do list somewhere and ping me if I put on teh back burner for long
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: ok, i'll create a bug item
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i have for today
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: anything else?
[3:51pm] HideyoImazu: no
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let's close the meeting
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the logs
[3:52pm] HideyoImazu: thanks, peter!
[3:52pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl HideyoImazu-san