Subject: KampalaMeetingLog2014x06x19.txt
Date: June 19, 2014 4:03:48 PM PDT

[3:00pm] PeterThoeny: good morning hideyo-san!
[3:00pm] HideyoImazu: Hi PeterThoeny
[3:00pm] HideyoImazu: good afternoon
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: this weekend i'll do a first: drive to a big salt flat in nevada and volunteer on high 
powered rockets
[3:01pm] HideyoImazu: sounds exciting
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: this is at black rock desert where the world land speed record was done, just breaking mach 1
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: also the place of burning man
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: the crazy art city woth 25k people in the desert
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: all this craziness (burning man and high power rockets) comes from california
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: yes, looking forward to it
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: 6 hour drive though, one way
[3:03pm] HideyoImazu: will there be a new world record?
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: for rocket?
[3:04pm] HideyoImazu: yes
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rock_Desert
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: "On May 17, 2004 the Civilian Space eXploration Team (CSXT) launched a rocket to 72 miles 
(116 km) in altitude, which was the first amateur rocket to exceed the 62.14-mile (100.00 km) Karman Line 
required to claim a space flight."
[3:04pm] HideyoImazu: I'm just wondering if that particular activity is something aiming for a new world record
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: i don't think this time
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: there are more rocket events coming this summer
[3:05pm] HideyoImazu: cool
[3:05pm] HideyoImazu: solid fuel or liquid fuel?
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: solid fuel
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: ammonium perchlorate
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: same was used in space shuttle boosters
[3:06pm]  HaraldJoerg joined the chat room.
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: hi HaraldJoerg!
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: we are just talking rockets
[3:07pm] HaraldJoerg: I just figured that the date given for Central Europe must be one day off 
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: this weekend is organized by aeropac, http://www.aeropac.org/
[3:07pm] HaraldJoerg: "  * Central Europe: 22:00 on Fri" - should be GMT 22:00 on Thu, right?
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: now friday, right? just past midnight?
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: oh, wrong time on email for europe, sorry!
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: but you guesst correctly!
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: cest is midnight, right?
[3:10pm] HaraldJoerg: Yes... I was six minutes late, though
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start?
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/KampalaReleaseMeeting2014x06x19
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: agenda:
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Extensions
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: ---++  1. Feature Requests for Kampala Release
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: one new one by hideyo-san:
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/NoATTACHEDFILELINKFORMATonTWikiPreferences
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: No ATTACHEDFILELINKFORMAT on TWikiPreferences
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: it's more about a discussion topic
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: rather than an actual feature request
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: ah
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: for this we have dev questions
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: Peter, is there a reason behind the definition of ATTACHEDFILELINKFORMAT that way in
TWikiPreferences?
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiDevQuestion
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: link is in webhome of codev, but a bit hidden
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: yes, see my reply
[3:14pm] HideyoImazu: ok
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: TWikibug: Item6903: Searching a topic that includes another topic that contains an image, 
breaks the image
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6903
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: the issue was fixed by changing %ATTACHURLPATH%/$name to %PUBURLPATH%/%WEB%/%TOPIC%/$name
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: any problem with that format?
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu: for ordinary use, it looks redundant
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: btw, another fix could be to fix %ATTACHURLPATH% at the time of topic include
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: that sounds better
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: let me think about it
[3:17pm] HaraldJoerg: I had a similar problem in an application with %SEARCH% and a form field
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: thinking about this, it is likely trivial to do that in include
[3:18pm] PeterThoeny: simply change %ATTACHURLPATH% to %PUBURLPATH%/%WEB%/%TOPIC% before %TOPIC% is handled
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: maybe %ATTACHURL% too
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: ?
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: if this is fixed in include, then the ATTACHEDFILELINKFORMAT setting can be reverted
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: do you want to change the proposal accordingly?
[3:20pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[3:20pm] HideyoImazu: i will
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: next:
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/VarFORM
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: New FORM and EDITFORM Variables - by PTh
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: this is now finally complete, the EDITFORM code was waiting to be implemented for a long time
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: i changed the spec a bit
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: now it should be much easier to create twiki apps with custom form view and form edit
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: example from doc:
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: %EDITFORM{
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny:   topic="%BASEWEB%.%BASETOPIC%"
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny:   formfields="Priority, Status"
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny:   hiddenfields="Updated"
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny:   Updated="%SERVERTIME{$year-$mo-$day}%"
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny:   submit=" | | $submit(Update) |"
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: }%
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: should be pretty self explanatory
[3:24pm] HideyoImazu: I wrote a lot of raw HTML tags to do the same thing so far
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: yes, me too
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: the purpose of this is to make it easier for app developers
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: custom javascript can be injected too with onsubmit="..."
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: there are likely features that are missing
[3:25pm] HideyoImazu: maybe I can phase out FormPlugin from my TWiki installation
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: we can enhance as needed
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: not sure if all features of formplugin are covered
[3:26pm] HideyoImazu: i'm not a big fan of FormPlugin but some users want to avoid writing HTML and JavaScript directly
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: let me know if you find some that you need and are mssing
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/FormPlugin
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: it looks like this plugin has many more parameters
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: over time we can enhance FORM and EDITFORM with more parameters as needed
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: the FORMELEMENT is covered by the existing EDITFORMFIELD
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: any other feature proposal to discuss?
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +29min
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Extensions
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: a number of updates
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: i just added context sensitive help to jump and search box as tooltips in topmenuskin and
patternskin
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: NotifyAuthorsPlugin: some more control over formatting
[3:31pm] HideyoImazu: I made LdapContrib compatible with prior versions
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: good, thank you!
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: does it still work with TWikiUserMapping?
[3:32pm] HideyoImazu: I believe so
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: ok, good
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: i think that is all on extensions
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: i have one more:
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: i currently design a new plugin, sponsored by wave systems inc
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: they have people traveling between offices and want to make it easy to find out who is where
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: i'll write a new WhereIsPlugin to do that
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: location will be based on ip address
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: and is crowdsourced
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: for message in user profile page like: jim was last seen in cupertino office 2 days ago"
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: any feedback/input on ui?
[3:35pm] HideyoImazu: not about ui but...
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: do you thunk this will be useful for you too?
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: "think"
[3:36pm] HideyoImazu: would it be able to be used in an intranet?
[3:36pm] HideyoImazu: in our environment, basically all browser accesses are via proxy
[3:36pm] HideyoImazu: PCs accesses their local proxy
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: yes, this should be ok as long as the local addresses are unique among sites
[3:37pm] HideyoImazu: so based on ip source address, you can guess where a user is now
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: not sure how to handle if the same 10.10.0.x is used in two offices for example
[3:38pm] HideyoImazu: but people make remote desktop connection to their desktop from home / on the road / from 
other offices
[3:39pm] HideyoImazu: at least in my company, this not suitable to be solved by TWiki
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: with vpn you get specific ip addresses, so that should be ok
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: yes, likely not feasable for big company like yours
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: HaraldJoerg:  offline?
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: next?
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[3:42pm] HaraldJoerg: PeterThoeny:  No, just lurking 
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: just one i have to highlight:
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7517
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7517
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: Item7517: configure breaks {RCS}{filePermission} under Perl v5.18.2
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: thank you HaraldJoerg for fixing!!
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: must have been difficult to debug
[3:43pm] HaraldJoerg: I searched Support and Bugs web, but failed to spot the two references
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: we have 3 reports in support web affected by this bug
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: no bug filed yet, so you were first on this
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: 3 support questions though
[3:45pm] HaraldJoerg: Cause and effect were not immediately connected 
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: yep
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: i just updated the bug topic with the 3rd support reference
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: any other bug to discuss?
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +46 min
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:48pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:48pm] HideyoImazu: not from me
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: i'd like to discuss release
[3:49pm] HaraldJoerg: Just a question: Is the unit test suite working smoothly?
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: we do not have any urgent bugs in 6.0.0
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: ok, first unit testing: 
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: there are some lose ends
[3:49pm] HideyoImazu: right
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: at last release we had some test failures that we assessed as bugs in test, not bug in code
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: so those need to be fixed
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: any help in this regard is greatly appreciated!
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: back to release
[3:51pm] HideyoImazu: i've been thinking that for a while. but haven't been able to prioritize
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: 6.0.0 was release in october last year
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: longish time ago
[3:52pm] HideyoImazu: some goodies have been added since then
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: we could either eye a 6.0.1 patch release, or release 6.1.0
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: as of now do we have enough to warrant a 6.1 release?
[3:52pm] HideyoImazu: should be 6.1 since there are enhancements
[3:53pm] HideyoImazu: such as %EDITFORM{...}% and attachment drag and drop
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: this detailed query shows all new enhancements:
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/DetailedItemsQuery?search=;Codebase=6.0.0;Priority=Enhancement
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: although some of those are not core/core extensions
[3:55pm] PeterThoeny: the big feature that is missing imho is app packager
[3:55pm] PeterThoeny: i am supposed to work on
[3:55pm] PeterThoeny: i have neglected this for some time now
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAppInstaller
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAppInstaller
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: i hope to have this ready by end of summer
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: so we could eye a fall release for 6.1.0, what do you think?
[3:57pm] HideyoImazu: sounds good
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: or better sooner a 6.0.1 patch release?
[3:57pm] HideyoImazu: 6.1 in fall
[3:58pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let;s eye that one
[3:58pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +58 min
[3:58pm] PeterThoeny: anything else?
[3:59pm] HideyoImazu: nothing from me
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let's close the meeting
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: thank you HaraldJoerg & HideyoImazu-san!
[3:59pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the logs
[4:00pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl