Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2013x09x26.txt
Date: September 26, 2013 4:55:03 PM PDT

[1:53pm]  dipu joined the chat room.
[2:57pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[3:00pm]  MichaelGulitz joined the chat room.
[3:01pm] MichaelGulitz: Hi there!
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: hi Michael - guten Abend!
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: hi dipu, HideyoImazu-san
[3:02pm] HideyoImazu: Hi there
[3:03pm]  VickiBrown joined the chat room.
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: hi VickiBrown!
[3:03pm] dipu: hello everybody - guet abig mittenand
[3:03pm] VickiBrown: Hi Peter
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: guta abig dipu! in switzerland now?
[3:04pm] dipu: nope in Boston 
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: we have good turnout today
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start?
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: agenda at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2013x09x26
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: 1. TWiki-6.0 Release Planning
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Extensions
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: anything to add to this?
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: since we have new people today, could everybody type a one liner about twiki interest/use?
[3:07pm] VickiBrown: If I could get a job using TWIki again, I would! (but I'd have to compete with OT first)
[3:08pm] VickiBrown: s/OT/PT/
[3:08pm] dipu: <<--- use twiki as a application platform for web enabled enterprise app development
[3:08pm] •PeterThoeny likes to nurture a friendly open source community and drive the project for better 
usability and functionality
[3:08pm] VickiBrown: dipu - Cool! I did a lot of app creation in LastJob
[3:08pm] HideyoImazu: I'm running TWiki at Morgan Stanley having 8k+ webs including subwebs and 800k topics.
[3:09pm] MichaelGulitz: I am responsible for the TWiki installation in our consulting/software company
[3:09pm] VickiBrown: Hideyolmazu - 4x webs as Yahoo but Y! had over 1million topics
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: i am also doing a lot of twiki app development currently as a consultant
[3:10pm] dipu: <=== seriously considering open sourcing our application and leveraging the Twiki distribution 
channels (perhaps a discussion for another day)
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: dipu:  this is great! let's discuss this later
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. TWiki-6.0 Release Planning
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: we released TWiki-6.0.0-rc1 on 2013-09-19
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: i announced it via email and social media
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: did anyone test it?
[3:11pm] VickiBrown: no, sorry, 
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiRelease06x00x00rc1
[3:12pm] HideyoImazu: yes, I did.
[3:12pm] dipu: no, but we would like to. question is the availability of the plugins we depend upon
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: thanks HideyoImazu-san
[3:13pm] MichaelGulitz: did not yet have the time to do so...
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: dipu:  plugins api is very stable since TWiki-4.1, e.g. likely no issue as long as your
plugins use the official api
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: we have many new features in 6.0 and a new look with the dashboards in all WebHome
[3:13pm] dipu: so, if I just upgrade to this release, our app should just work?
[3:14pm] dipu: I love the new dashboards
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: basically yes, assuming your plugins do not use twiki internal calls
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: i use the dashboard approach in all my consulting now
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: people really like it
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: to do before production release:
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: - more testing
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: - bug fixing
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: - bring translations up to date
[3:15pm] dipu: we have only one plugin that we wrote ourselves, we leverage the exisiting ones entirely. but
since the API hasnt changed since TWiki 4, I guess they should still work. We shall give it a spin next week
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: i have not had the time yet to create the pod and ask the trasnlaters to update the
pods
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: i'll do that over this weekend
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: good, thanks dipu
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: post bug reports for any issues you might have
[3:17pm] dipu: shall do
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: this rc1 is very stable, we stated "not recommended for production use", but i think it
is ready
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: so, no rc2, we can go directly for production
[3:18pm] PeterThoeny: i'll shoot for oct 12 weekend to create production release
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: i just put it in my calendar
[3:19pm] dipu: are you creating new builds for all plugins as well? or only the ones that core TWiki depends
upon?
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: no, no need
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: the maintained plugins are in good shape
[3:20pm] dipu: nice
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: anything else on release?
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: we have  a few marked as blockers, but i do not think they should hold up the release
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: look at recent changes
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: what would you like to have fixed?
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: i just posted a new one:
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: Item7354: Align TWiki::Plugins::VERSION with TWiki release version, e.g. 6.000 for
TWiki-6.0.0
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7354
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: i think this is a no-brainer, e.g. does not need a feature proposal
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: what do you think about this last minute change? any concern?
[3:25pm] VickiBrown: It changes one file?
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: trunk currently has 1.510
[3:26pm] VickiBrown: My "programmers OCD" approves of having the numbers match up so I like it
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: i intend to change that to 6.000
[3:26pm] VickiBrown: yeah. Much better
[3:26pm] dipu: who could be impacted?
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: nobody i think
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: we bump up the TWiki::Plugins::VERSION with each patch release provided there are
enhancements to the api
[3:27pm] VickiBrown: better to do it now. If you did it for 6.1 that would be ... odd
[3:27pm] HideyoImazu: I'm all for it.
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: ok, i'll do that
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: any other bugs you'd like to look at?
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: look at the "being worked on" status:
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ItemsByState?state=Being+Worked+On
[3:28pm] dipu: since none of the bugs identified as blockers are regressions, I think this release would be
"no worse than" the exisiting one
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: there are currently 34 that are core related
[3:29pm] HideyoImazu: I may have some "bug" items already done but "being worked on". let me close them.
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: please review after the meeting and help clean up (leave as is, set the closed or
waiting for release depending on actual status)
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: yes, thanks HideyoImazu-san
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: this is important for the release notes so that we have an accurate found of features
and bugs
[3:30pm] VickiBrown: i approve of enhancements to anything related to statistics
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny:  /s/found/count and list/
[3:31pm] VickiBrown: enterprise users really notice those
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu-san did a number of statistics enhancements recently
[3:32pm] HideyoImazu: and cleaned up the code a bit
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: any bug items you'd like to discuss?
[3:32pm] VickiBrown: thank you
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: if not, let's move on
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: recent changes:
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: i did some minor fixes to SsoLoginContrib, TablePlugin, TWikiUserMappingContrib,
WatchlistPlugin, UsageStatisticsPlugin, SpreadSheetPlugin, PatternSkin since last release meeting 2 weeks
ago
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: i have seen mahiro ando-san enhanced the AutoSectionsPlugin, thanks!
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: may be we can add this plugin to the core distribution in a future release (not 6.0.0)
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: any other thing on extensions?
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: anything today?
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: i have one: we need to prepare a press release for the new release
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: this should be ready by the time we release
[3:41pm] PeterThoeny: i'll work on that - once you see on twiki.org please help review
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: anything else? ready for tea/beer/bed depending on your time zone?
[3:42pm] VickiBrown: 
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: for me it's tea time
[3:43pm] VickiBrown: it's always time for tea!
[3:43pm] dipu: zvieri  ?
[3:43pm] HideyoImazu: it's breakfast time for me - 7:43 am in Tokyo
[3:43pm] MichaelGulitz: ready for bed (1 a.m.) - i'll try to give the RC a test next week
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: my daily routine of mixing green tea and ginseng
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: thank you MichaelGulitz!
[3:44pm] VickiBrown: PeterThoeny:   have you noticed any changes due to the mixture
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: ja, zvieri 
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: yes, i can taste both 
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: costco has very good green tea in bags
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: ok, so let's close this meeting
[3:45pm] VickiBrown: We enjoy blueberry green
[3:46pm] VickiBrown: have a good day / evening / morning
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: thanks all, and good morning, afternoon, night all!
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl
[3:46pm] MichaelGulitz: bye everybody
[3:46pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl
[3:46pm] dipu: thanks everybody ttyl
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: shoot, we forgot the code name!
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: who is still here?
[3:48pm] PeterThoeny: for each release we have a code name based on a capital in the world
[3:48pm] PeterThoeny: see http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CodeName
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: we are at "jerusalem" and need to decide for the letter "k"
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: if you open up the twisty you will see many "k"s
[3:51pm] MichaelGulitz: oh, maybe the top contributors should choose a city of their country
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: choice:
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kabul
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kampala
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kathmandu
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Khartoum
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kigali
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kingston
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kingstown
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kinshasa
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Koror
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kuala Lumpur
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: Kuwait City
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: my personal preference is the city where i got married: kampala, uganda
[3:53pm] MichaelGulitz: kampala sounds nice
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: i like also kingstown and kathmandu
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: since most people left i'll post a vote in the codename page
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: let's decide in a week or so
[3:54pm] MichaelGulitz: good idea
[3:54pm] HideyoImazu: Kathmandu should be better known than Kampala
[3:56pm] MichaelGulitz: but kampala might invoke some curiosity - as it is no that known
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: and i like the sound of the name kampala
[4:02pm] MichaelGulitz: I really have to go to bed now - bye!