Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2013x08x15.txt
Date: August 15, 2013 3:52:39 PM PDT

[2:57pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[2:59pm]  msevero joined the chat room.
[3:00pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu-san & msevero!
[3:00pm] msevero: hello
[3:01pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Peter. Hi msevero.
[3:02pm] msevero: my name is michael severo and i have been experimenting with twiki.
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: thanks for visiting!
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: do you use twiki at work?
[3:03pm] msevero: no but for my own
[3:03pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu-san runs a large twiki at morgan stanley
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: ah, personal use, or for a group of people?
[3:05pm] msevero: for my business trying to make erp, accounting software, scheduling, hr, etc out of twiki.
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: nice!
[3:05pm] msevero: i was using semantic mediawiki for a while but recently discovered twiki
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: when i run twiki inc we used twiki as a crm and for many other things
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: that is interesting
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: how do you compare semantic wiki and twiki? advantage/disadvantage of both?
[3:08pm] msevero: twiki has a lot of potential just need a lot of participant or contibutor.  mediawiki 
has a lot of active developer but twiki is far easy for customizing, i think
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: i have seen you sent me an email a few days ago, sorry i have not yet responded
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: shall we call after this meeting?
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: my skype id is peterthoeny
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: in case you use skype
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +10 min
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: we should start
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: proposed agenda at 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2013x08x15
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Extensions
[3:11pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ Feature Request for Jerusalem Release
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: we have just one new:
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: Specifying webs to be excluded from WebStatistics update - by 
HideyoImazu-san
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/StatsExcludedWebRegex
[3:14pm] HideyoImazu: what do you guys think? any question or concern?
[3:14pm] PeterThoeny: no concerns, although i do not see a big reason why i'd want to exclude the trash 
from the statistics
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: it's out of the way anyway
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: i am ok with the proposal, just wondering what the reason for it is
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu: I'm doing trash rotation - moving Trash to Trash1 after Trash1 is moved to Trash2 ...
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu: and then create an empty Trash
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: msevero:  if interested read up on our feature proposal process, 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu: that's done every day
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: in addition, I'm using multiple disks and each disk needs its own trash.
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: so I end up having 33 trashes.
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: ah, quite specific to your large deployment
[3:18pm] PeterThoeny: so stats is a system load question?
[3:18pm] HideyoImazu: I'll write those in the proposal
[3:18pm] HideyoImazu: system load is not an issue.
[3:18pm] HideyoImazu: it's more about my piece of mind
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: I don't like cpu cycles being wasted
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: do you want to wait the 7 days, or get a handle here?
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: I can wait
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: either way is fine
[3:20pm] HideyoImazu: let's wait for feedback
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: msevero:  proposals are auto-accepted after 7 days of no concerns
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: they can also be discussed and approved immediately at a release meeting
[3:20pm] msevero: ok
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: i have no other proposals to discuss
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: do you have any?
[3:21pm] HideyoImazu: no
[3:21pm] msevero: no
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: the usual ones
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: nothing urgent on bug front
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: let's glance over the changes:
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/WebChanges
[3:22pm] HideyoImazu: it's not urgent but have you had a chance to look into %IF{"0 > -1" ..}%, Peter?
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: sorry, not yet, is on my to-do
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7316: Add comment section 
to new topic template
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: i just checked in this feature today
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: we discussed at pref del meeting
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: "release meeting"
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: let's move on:
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebHome
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: and changes:
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: RedirectPlugin: I have seen you HideyoImazu-san fixed an issue
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: DoxygenImportPlugin: I did some small fixes and enhancements
[3:26pm] PeterThoeny: PublishWebPlugin: I did some changes to make it work nicely with the 
DoxygenImportPlugin
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: on extension / bug
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: we got reports that the TinyMCE editor does not work properly in some versions of ie
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: the tinymce we use is not the latest
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: i suspect that upgrading the tinymceplugin to the latest version fixes that issue
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: here is one bug item:
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7310: Disappearing Top Line 
on WYSIWYG Editing
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: oops, that is on ff, sorry
[3:29pm] PeterThoeny: but also that one is likely fixed with plugin upgrade
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i have on extensions
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:30pm] HideyoImazu: incidentally, I got some complaints from my users about the jQuery version used in 
JQueryPlugin.
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: ah, they want the latest query?
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: "jquery"
[3:31pm] HideyoImazu: not necessarily the latest but a newer one
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: ah, last update was in 2011 to jquery-1.5.1
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: can you create a bug item on this?
[3:32pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: i have one item
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: do you have any?
[3:33pm] HideyoImazu: no
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: we should target the next production release
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: i just checked, we have now 53 features ready in trunk
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: which is quite a lot!
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: i wanted to wait for the app packaging standard
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: to have a big new feature
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: however my time is limited
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: i feel now that the release is drawn out tong long if we wait for this
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: what do you think on release?
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: trunk is very stable now
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: so from quality perspective we could release soon
[3:37pm] HideyoImazu: it's better to have new releases every 6 months or so
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: the last patch release was patch release was in february
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: we have no need for another patch release at this time
[3:38pm] PeterThoeny: so that is another reason to target next major release soon
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: question: with jerusalem "merged to core" features listed at 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MergedToCore
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: does it warrant a 6.0 release, or is this a 5.2 release?
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: the new dashboard besides being eye candy is very useful, so by visual changes it 
could be 6.0 imho
[3:42pm] PeterThoeny: we also have many features to lengthen twiki as an app platform, such as the new 
EDITFORMFIELD variable that makes it easier to build custom forms for twiki apps
[3:42pm] HideyoImazu: it's up to you. you know how/when the 1.X became 2.X, 2.X became 3.X, and so on
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: i feel with the app packaging standard it would be more than 6.0 (if that makes 
sense), without it is almost 6.0
[3:43pm] HideyoImazu: large installation support features I put in the past year or so is significant, 
I suppose
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: yes, that is very important for large installations, so a good reason to label it 6.0
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: let's get a handle, do you like more 5.2 or 6.0 with current feature set?
[3:44pm] HideyoImazu: 6.0
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: 6.0
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: msevero?
[3:45pm] msevero: 6.0
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: ok, decided to go for 6.0
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: what target release date?
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: i could commit to build at end of august
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: on that weekend
[3:47pm] HideyoImazu: great!
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: so rc1 release could be sep 1st
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: and production 2 weeks after that if all goes well?
[3:47pm] msevero: that sounds good
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let's plan accordingly
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i had
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: anything else?
[3:48pm] HideyoImazu: not from me
[3:48pm] msevero: nothing for now
[3:48pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let;s close the meeting
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: thanks all!
[3:49pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl HideyoImazu-san
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: ok, ttyl michael!
[3:50pm] msevero: ttyl to all
[3:50pm]  msevero left the chat room.