Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2013x07x04.txt
Date: July 4, 2013 4:45:15 PM PDT

[2:50pm]  MichaelGulitz joined the chat room.
[2:53pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[2:59pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Peter. Busy committing changes to SVN?
[3:00pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu-san, MichaelGulitz!
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: yes, here is july 4th, national holiday
[3:01pm] MichaelGulitz: Hi Peter, hi HideyoImazu-san!
[3:01pm] HideyoImazu: Hi Michael
[3:01pm] PeterThoeny: i wish i could do more on open source twiki
[3:02pm] PeterThoeny: so it's midnight in germany, thanks for joining michael!
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: btw, i might have a consulting gig for a company in leipzig, not sure yet
[3:04pm] MichaelGulitz: I'm currently in a hotel for business trip. I have to get up early so may be 
I'll quit the meeting a bit earlier
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start with agenda?
[3:04pm] MichaelGulitz: sure
[3:04pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2013x07x04
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Extensions
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[3:04pm] PeterThoeny: anything else?
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[3:05pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[3:06pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: INCLUDE to be able to include a topic in the raw
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IncludeTopicRaw
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: 9 days ago, so technically accepted
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: thanks hideyo-san for working on this!
[3:07pm] HideyoImazu: any comment , concern, questions?
[3:07pm] PeterThoeny: looks good to me
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: Preventing WebStatistics from growing big
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebStatisticsYYYY
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: status is still under investigation
[3:08pm] PeterThoeny: i think it is accepted
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: yes.
[3:09pm] HideyoImazu: i'm going to change it.
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: <p></p> instead of <p/>
[3:09pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/OpenAndClosePTags
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: this is just posted by hideyo-san
[3:10pm] HideyoImazu: what do you guys think?
[3:10pm] PeterThoeny: did you see the duplicate? http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DoNotUseSelfclosingPTag
[3:11pm] HideyoImazu: oops
[3:12pm] HideyoImazu: a TWISTY issue we faced was resolved without the change
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: i am ok with the proposed changee
[3:12pm] PeterThoeny: "change"
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: but there are cases where we want to have a better predictable DOM tree
[3:13pm] PeterThoeny: just watch out, there might be side-effects with this change
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: ok
[3:13pm] HideyoImazu: should I make it optional?
[3:14pm] MichaelGulitz: Optional means as parameter in settings?
[3:14pm] HideyoImazu: yes
[3:15pm] PeterThoeny: no, i don;'t think we need to make optional
[3:15pm] HideyoImazu: LocalSite.cfg
[3:15pm] MichaelGulitz: I did not face a problem with </p> yet, so making it an option might be best
[3:16pm] PeterThoeny: making it optional is fine by me too
[3:16pm] HideyoImazu: then, by default <p/>, if some config parameter is set, <p></p> ?
[3:16pm] MichaelGulitz: ok for me
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: personally i think it's a bit overkill, but fine by me
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: let's see how it goes.
[3:17pm] PeterThoeny: do you want to wait for 7 days or get a handle now?
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: we can make <p></p> default in the future
[3:17pm] HideyoImazu: having <p/> option for some edge cases.
[3:18pm] PeterThoeny: that probably is better, yes
[3:18pm] MichaelGulitz: ok
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: hieyo-san, do you want to vote now?
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: yes
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: +1
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: +1
[3:19pm] MichaelGulitz: +1
[3:19pm] PeterThoeny: accepted by release meeting
[3:19pm] HideyoImazu: thanks!
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: i think these are all features that need discussion
[3:20pm] PeterThoeny: any other we can cover today?
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: oops, my bad! internal error
[3:21pm] PeterThoeny: i'll fix that asap
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: i just checked in this:
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: Item7288: Wikify login name if no user mapper available
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7288
[3:22pm] PeterThoeny: this is in response to last comment at 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/LdapAuthenticationHowTo
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: if no user mapping manager is used, currently the wikiname is the same like 
the cleaned-up login name
[3:23pm] PeterThoeny: this change will wikify the wikiname
[3:24pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. login name jimmy.neutron will result in wikiname JimmyNeutron
[3:24pm] HideyoImazu: sounds good
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: i thought this is a no-brainer, hence no proposal topic
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: any other bug items?
[3:25pm] PeterThoeny: unfortunately we can't look at the list now due to my snafu
[3:26pm] HideyoImazu: what about the IF{"$t > -1" ..} ?
[3:27pm] PeterThoeny: explain
[3:28pm] HideyoImazu: in the last release meeting, we were talking about %IF{"$t > 1" ...}% is recognized 
as true even if $t has -1, or something alike
[3:28pm] PeterThoeny: this is TWikibug:Item7278
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: ah, we identified two issues with this bug:
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: 1. single letter variable name does not work
[3:30pm] PeterThoeny: 2. compare with negative constant does not work properly
[3:31pm] PeterThoeny: both need to be fixed
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: any other bug item?
[3:32pm]  ice- joined the chat room.
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: (i am logged on the shel if you need content)
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: hi ice, welcome to the release meeting
[3:32pm] PeterThoeny: we are talking bugs now
[3:33pm] ice-:ok..
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: could you introduce yourself?
[3:33pm] ice-:I will quite then, have a good day there
[3:33pm] ice-:I was joined only because I want to ask something
[3:33pm] ice-:<ice-> I want to know how to add Related topics: at the end of pages
[3:33pm] ice-:<ice-> I need to do it manually for each page?
[3:33pm] PeterThoeny: i can help out on 30ish min in #twiki
[3:34pm] ice-:ok, thank you, bye from here
[3:34pm]  ice- left the chat room.
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: any other bug item?
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: here is one fyi
[3:34pm] PeterThoeny: TWikibug:Item7286: Support TOC in skin
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: it was not possible to embed a TOC in a skin template
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: this is now fixed
[3:35pm] HideyoImazu: cool
[3:35pm] MichaelGulitz: fine
[3:35pm] PeterThoeny: another one:
[3:35pm] HideyoImazu: I'm just curious, but when do you want to put TOC in a skin?
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: TWikibug:Item7283:TablePlugin: Auto-detect number of header rows when sorting; 
fix headerrows issue
[3:36pm] PeterThoeny: two issues: one feature and one bug fixed
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. now you longer need to specify headerrow="2" for proper sorting
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: it detects the number of header rows automatiucally
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i have on bugs
[3:37pm] PeterThoeny: anything else?
[3:38pm] MichaelGulitz: it's not a bug, but in the commentplugin the template for type=action has no 
datepicker yet. It can be easily added (I left a comment on the dev page for that
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/CommentPluginDev
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: ok, so we move on to:
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions
[3:39pm] PeterThoeny: CommentPlugin:
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: DatePickerPlugin and CommentPlugin both are core plugins, so dependent is no issue
[3:40pm] PeterThoeny: i do not understand though the issue
[3:42pm] MichaelGulitz: when using the type=action you currently have in input field for the due date, 
but no input help
[3:42pm] MichaelGulitz: so you have to type the date manually
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: is that for one of the predefined comment plugin templates in CommentPluginTemplate?
[3:43pm] MichaelGulitz: yes
[3:43pm] PeterThoeny: which one?
[3:43pm] MichaelGulitz: for the type "action"
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: now i get it
[3:44pm] PeterThoeny: yes, that input field should be changed to a date field
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: no-brainer
[3:45pm] PeterThoeny: simply handle this as a bug item
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: check also if there are other templates that have fields that should be changed 
to date fields
[3:46pm] MichaelGulitz: so I add a bug item and fix it directly?
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[3:46pm] MichaelGulitz: I think it is the only one
[3:46pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: recent changes in plugins web:
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges
[3:47pm] PeterThoeny: what other extensions should we cover?
[3:47pm] MichaelGulitz: SpreadSheetPlugin: is it possible to make it understand german number format?
[3:49pm] MichaelGulitz: This might be an issue for german users, as "," is used as decimal sign rather 
than '.'
[3:49pm] PeterThoeny: ah, that probably requires a global flag
[3:50pm] PeterThoeny: usa 12,345.60 is germany 12'345,60 (not sure if correct)
[3:51pm] MichaelGulitz: 12.345,6ß would be correct incompatible encoding
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: since the comma has a different meaning in isa and germany we need a flag to 
define which one to use
[3:51pm] MichaelGulitz: i mean 12.345,60
[3:51pm] PeterThoeny: yes, so it is exactly the opposite from usa
[3:52pm] MichaelGulitz: would be nice to have that in the settings - just like date format
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: we can't detect it, take this example: 12,567
[3:52pm] PeterThoeny: is 12567 in usa and 12.567 in germany (usa notation)
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: well, there are many functions that take the isa notation into account
[3:53pm] PeterThoeny: i don't think we can/should add a new parameter to those functions to tell it to 
use german interpretation
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: hence a new global flag
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: possibly a preferences setting
[3:54pm] MichaelGulitz: that would be ok
[3:54pm] PeterThoeny: do you want to drive this?
[3:56pm] PeterThoeny: sub _getNumber is used 25 times
[3:56pm] MichaelGulitz: I have currently almost no time to spend on twiki so it will be difficult for 
me, but I can open a bug item as a first step
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +57 min
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: any other extension?
[3:57pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[3:57pm] MichaelGulitz: not from me
[3:58pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[3:58pm] MichaelGulitz: what happend to the marketing meeting?
[3:58pm] PeterThoeny: not enough interest, needs someone to drive
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu, anything else?
[4:00pm] HideyoImazu: no
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: ok, let's close the meeting
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the log and minutes
[4:00pm] MichaelGulitz: yes I need to get some sleep
[4:00pm] PeterThoeny: and i'll fix the bugs bug
[4:01pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl
[4:01pm] PeterThoeny: good night michael, and have a nice day hideyo-san!
[4:01pm] MichaelGulitz: bye everybody
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