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would be nicer, but more work to implement [9:21pm] HideyoImazu: do you remember when it's introduced? [9:22pm] PeterThoeny: very beginning [9:22pm] PeterThoeny: because twiki supported empty line as a paragraph separator from the beginning [9:22pm] HideyoImazu: was is instead offrom the very beginning? [9:23pm] PeterThoeny: ok, not sure about that distinction [9:23pm] PeterThoeny: (if that was
initially) [9:24pm] PeterThoeny: looking in 1999 code... [9:24pm] HideyoImazu: I'm talking about this because Firefox and Chrome (and probably Safari) recognizes
asin terms of DOM processing [9:25pm] MahiroAndo: (just to clarify, my plan for this item was to use an empty
to avoid browser's misinterpretation) [9:25pm] PeterThoeny: found it: [9:25pm] PeterThoeny: s/^\s*$//o [9:26pm] PeterThoeny: i am all for cleaning this up as long at it is well tested [9:27pm] PeterThoeny: so feel free to re-open and fix, independently of twisty feature enhancement [9:28pm] HideyoImazu: I don't have a concrete idea to how to deal with this, but the fact that FIrefox and Chrome recognize
abcdef asabc
def and def is inside the outer
, which seems to be causing some issues, is worth noting [9:29pm] PeterThoeny: yes, that can be an issue [9:29pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/NewComboBoxTWikiFormFieldType [9:29pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: New combobox TWiki Form Field Type [9:29pm] PeterThoeny: this is also done [9:30pm] PeterThoeny: nice thing is, that it automagically also works with %EDITFORMFIELD{}% [9:30pm] PeterThoeny: any othe rfeature to discuss? [9:31pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAppInstaller [9:31pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: TWiki application packager and installer [9:31pm] PeterThoeny: just a quick update: [9:31pm] PeterThoeny: i did some design work this week [9:31pm] PeterThoeny: looks more complex than anticipated [9:31pm] PeterThoeny: i will implement a subset as an initial version [9:32pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs [9:32pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker [9:32pm] PeterThoeny: we have a new item: [9:32pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7222 [9:33pm] PeterThoeny: Item7222: trailing space in DENYTOPIC* causes the access allowed to anybody [9:33pm] PeterThoeny: good catch hideyo-san! [9:33pm] HideyoImazu: this has long been there (since 2010?) [9:33pm] HideyoImazu: but the impact can be significant [9:34pm] HideyoImazu: I got a phone call related to this at 4 a.m. in TOkyo [9:34pm] PeterThoeny: oh! [9:34pm] HideyoImazu: luckily, my cell phone was in vibration mode and I didn't notice. [9:34pm] PeterThoeny: you wrote: " $ in the matching pattern must be deleted. " [9:35pm] PeterThoeny: make sure that the regex does not terminate early [9:35pm] PeterThoeny: possibly better to anchor regex at start and end and scan for empy/space content [9:36pm] PeterThoeny: m/^\s*$/ [9:36pm] PeterThoeny: anyway you can figure out [9:36pm] HideyoImazu: this is to change " if ( ... =~ /\S$/ ) {" to "if ( ... =~ /\S/ ){" [9:37pm] PeterThoeny: any other bug items to discuss? [9:37pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +37 min [9:38pm] PeterThoeny: if not, let's move on [9:38pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions [9:38pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebChanges [9:38pm] PeterThoeny: lots of activity in last two weeks [9:39pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/PreferencesPlugin [9:39pm] PeterThoeny: we had a number of enhacnements with this plugin [9:39pm] PeterThoeny: thanks MahiroAndo-san and HideyoImazu-san [9:40pm] HideyoImazu: it got much better now! [9:40pm] PeterThoeny: yes, useful [9:40pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SpreadSheetPlugin [9:40pm] PeterThoeny: i did a few fixes [9:41pm] PeterThoeny: specifically, $COLUMN() used below a table now returns the number of columns of the preceding table [9:41pm] PeterThoeny: useful for dynamic stuff to store statistics in hashes for later use [9:42pm] PeterThoeny: i am already heavily using the new hash functions [9:42pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WatchlistPlugin [9:42pm] PeterThoeny: now logs watchlist actions [9:42pm] HideyoImazu: I haven't had a chance to use it, but it looks very useful [9:43pm] PeterThoeny: try it, there are many uses [9:44pm] MichaelGulitz: We already use the Watchlistplugin - really good feature [9:44pm] PeterThoeny: for example, yesterday i enhanced a status report [9:44pm] PeterThoeny: there is a reporting hierarchy [9:44pm] PeterThoeny: at each node there is a link to a status report page of a specific week [9:45pm] PeterThoeny: i had the need to show links to the prev and next week report on each node [9:46pm] HideyoImazu: do you think WathlistPlugin is ready for production use? [9:46pm] PeterThoeny: instead of a separate lookup inn each node i did a single search before the tree display of all status reports and built a hash for each report [9:46pm] PeterThoeny: yes it is ready for production [9:46pm] MichaelGulitz: Would it be possible to exclude the current author from being notified when he edits a topic he has in his watchlist? [9:46pm] PeterThoeny: already is at a client site [9:47pm] PeterThoeny: ah, exclude onself? [9:47pm] PeterThoeny: i see a need [9:47pm] PeterThoeny: could add this to the dev topic? [9:48pm] MichaelGulitz: this might also be useful in the classic notofication service [9:50pm] PeterThoeny: the idea is to retire the webnotify feature in a future release [9:51pm] MichaelGulitz: ok, I already wanted to ask that... [9:52pm] PeterThoeny: back on hash example [9:53pm] PeterThoeny: here is an example format to populate the hash based on all reports: [9:53pm] PeterThoeny: format="$percntCALCULATE{$SETHASH(parent_date, $parent-$formfield(PeriodEnding), $topic)}$percnt" [9:53pm] PeterThoeny: so hash key is topic-date [9:54pm] PeterThoeny: which allows one to easily access later on when traversing the org hierarchy [9:54pm] PeterThoeny: sample link using the hash: [9:54pm] PeterThoeny: [[$GETHASH(parent_date, $topic-$GET(prev_date))][Previous report]] [9:55pm] PeterThoeny: so in the search that shows the org, we retrieve the proper report by topic name and date [9:55pm] PeterThoeny: any other extension to discuss? [9:56pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous [9:56pm] PeterThoeny: i have two items [9:56pm] PeterThoeny: 1. advocacy [9:57pm] PeterThoeny: this week i contacted a number or universities and companies that have larger twiki deployments asking if they could write a case study blog on twiki.org [9:57pm] PeterThoeny: i got some replies, but nothing concrete yet [9:57pm] PeterThoeny: this is just fyi [9:58pm] PeterThoeny: 2. meeting time [9:58pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MeetingTimeChange2013 [9:58pm] PeterThoeny: i just posted it yesterday, so i think we should wait a bit before we decide [9:59pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. not decide at this meeting [9:59pm] PeterThoeny: just wanted to bring this up for discussion [9:59pm] PeterThoeny: any new input on this? [10:00pm] HideyoImazu: the exact time will be in California time, right? [10:01pm] PeterThoeny: you mean in regards to summer savings time change? [10:01pm] HideyoImazu: when DST starts and ends, it moves GMT wise [10:01pm] PeterThoeny: yes, correct [10:01pm] HideyoImazu: that should be mentioned [10:01pm] PeterThoeny: europe has same local time, except for a very brief period in spring & fall [10:02pm] PeterThoeny: good point [10:04pm] PeterThoeny: i updated the topic [10:04pm] PeterThoeny: anything else? [10:08pm] PeterThoeny: if not, let's close the meeting [10:09pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the logs and update the minutes [10:09pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl [10:09pm] MahiroAndo: thanks very much. ttyl [10:09pm] MichaelGulitz: bye