Date: March 14, 2013 10:06:07 PM PDT
Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2013x03x15.txt

[8:56pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[9:00pm]  MahiroAndo joined the chat room.
[9:00pm] MahiroAndo: hi Peter
[9:01pm] PeterThoeny: hi MahiroAndo-san, HideyoImazu-san
[9:02pm] HideyoImazu: hi Peter
[9:03pm] PeterThoeny: i just fixed an rss bug
[9:03pm] PeterThoeny: on twiki.org nd svn trunk & 5.1 branch
[9:04pm] HideyoImazu: what kind of bug?
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7190
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: there were null chars in the feed
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: caused by escape char that was not cleaned properly in render.pm
[9:06pm] HideyoImazu: oh
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: i was hping we had some more people today at the meeting
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: i sent many personal e-mails to invite
[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: let's give it some more minutes
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: it is also summer savings time in usa, e.g. gmt shift
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: that might confuse some people
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: when is japan switching?
[9:09pm] HideyoImazu: no daylight saving time in Japan
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: oh, i fogot
[9:09pm] HideyoImazu: not in China either
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: europe has it, but does not switch at the same time like usa
[9:10pm] HideyoImazu: some schools change the time to start their day in winter
[9:11pm] HideyoImazu: last year some companies and government offices did that to cope with
electricity shortage
[9:11pm] HideyoImazu: caused by the shut-down nuclear power plant
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: oh
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +13 min
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: i guess we should start
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2013x03x15
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Extensions
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: agenda ok?
[9:13pm] HideyoImazu: sure
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: i guess we should discuss:
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: Feature Proposal: Configuration option to disable LINKTOOLTIPINFO
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DisableLINKTOOLTIPINFO
[9:15pm] HideyoImazu: I retracted it
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: oic
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: yes, makes sense
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: i recommend also to fix the user template so that new users are not fooled
into turning it on
[9:17pm] HideyoImazu: we don't need user registration, hence there is no user template.
[9:17pm] HideyoImazu: FYI
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/InternalLinkPatterns
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny:  Feature Proposal: Internal Link Patterns that should not be converted to
"external links"
[9:18pm] PeterThoeny: proposed 2 days ago
[9:18pm] MahiroAndo: yes, we want to have some varieties of twiki urls not to be regarded as
external links
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: yes, this makes sense
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: +1
[9:19pm] HideyoImazu: +1
[9:19pm] MahiroAndo: +1
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: accepted by release meeting
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DisableXSSProtection
[9:19pm] MahiroAndo: great
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny:  Feature Proposal: Disable XSS Protection for JavaScript
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: i am not familiar with this protection by browsers
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: proposal looks sensible to me
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: one question though
[9:21pm] MahiroAndo: it is about when you save a topic containing a javascript, which doesn't run
on the page right there (until the page is refreshed) because of some browser protection
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: better to have an on/off switch as proposed, or a list of domain that are
excluded?
[9:22pm] MahiroAndo: I guess that requires twiki to be able to see the Referer request header?
[9:22pm] PeterThoeny: just a thougt, not sure if it makes sense
[9:22pm] MahiroAndo: (in our intranet, some http headers are stripped off..)
[9:22pm] MahiroAndo: ok
[9:23pm] PeterThoeny: but may be there is no sense in a list of excluded (permitted?) domains
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: since the only place where this comes into play is in a twiki page anyway
[9:24pm] HideyoImazu: no
[9:24pm] HideyoImazu: right
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: so i am fine as proposed
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: do you want to wait for 7 days or get ahandle at this meeting?
[9:25pm] HideyoImazu: let's vote
[9:25pm] MahiroAndo: I'd like to get a handle
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: +1
[9:25pm] HideyoImazu: +1
[9:25pm] MahiroAndo: +1
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: ergo, accepted by release meeting
[9:25pm] MahiroAndo: ok, thank you
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddWatchlistPluginToCore
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny:  Feature Proposal: Add WatchlistPlugin to Core and Deprecate MailerContrib
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny: this is already accepted by 7 day period
[9:26pm]  VickiBrown joined the chat room.
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny: and already added to core
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny: hi VickiBrown
[9:26pm] VickiBrown: sorry; dinner ran late
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: bon apetit
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: i have the plugin installed on twiki.org
[9:27pm] HideyoImazu: hi vicki
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: we have now daily people watching new topics
[9:27pm] VickiBrown: hi
[9:27pm] VickiBrown: yeay
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: the feature seem to be working well
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: currently the default for notification is digest
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: that is in the package
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: on twiki.org i have set the default to immediate
[9:29pm] PeterThoeny: as you said last time HideyoImazu-san, i think now too that the default is
better to set to immediate
[9:29pm] PeterThoeny: simply for educational purposes
[9:29pm] PeterThoeny: so i'll do that
[9:29pm] HideyoImazu: agreed
[9:29pm] PeterThoeny: for the package
[9:29pm] HideyoImazu: is it possible to subscribe to all topics?
[9:29pm] VickiBrown: How often would a digest come normally? ONce a day?
[9:30pm] HideyoImazu: once a day should be fine
[9:30pm] VickiBrown: All topics in a web? or for a site?
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: VickiBrown:  depends on cron setup
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: is documented as once per day
[9:30pm] HideyoImazu: all topics in a web
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: no, for each user, all watched topics across all webs
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: so, a user only gets one e-mail a day in digest mode
[9:31pm] VickiBrown: right
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu-san:  subscribe to all topics in a web is not supported at this
time
[9:31pm] VickiBrown: I think H is asking is there a siple way to say "subscribe to all"
[9:31pm] VickiBrown: ah
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: as discussed last time, this can be added if there is a need
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: is there?
[9:32pm] HideyoImazu: yes
[9:32pm] VickiBrown: Well... WebNotify has this
[9:32pm] VickiBrown: and as the web admin, I subscribed to all changes for "my" webs
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: the idea is to retire webnotify in a future release
[9:33pm] VickiBrown: then I would also like to support "all" please
[9:33pm] VickiBrown: admins like to watch everything
[9:33pm] VickiBrown: "ordinaries" not so much
[9:33pm] PeterThoeny: not sure how the ui could be done intuitively for atht
[9:33pm] HideyoImazu: I second to Vicki
[9:34pm] HideyoImazu: at least for the time being we don't need a UI for "subscribe all"
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: what about this: if in webhome topic, the "watch" pulldown has a new menu
item "watch whole web"
[9:34pm] VickiBrown: Well, in WebNotify it was subscribe to Web and don't list any topics
[9:34pm] VickiBrown: works for me
[9:35pm] HideyoImazu: sounds good
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: what happens to topics that are marked as watched in web X, and then you
watch the whole web X?
[9:35pm] VickiBrown: they could be marked as watched.
[9:36pm] VickiBrown: if so, you need to pay attention to any new topics and automatically mark them
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: so binary, if "watch all topics" is enabled in a web, any topic shows
"unwatch" menu item, e.g. to _exclude_ a watch?
[9:36pm] VickiBrown: I like that
[9:37pm] VickiBrown: it's analogous to the check all box at the top of a list of check boxes
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: devil in the detail: what if a user then removes the "watch all topics" flag?
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: the ui needs some thoughts
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: this is all i had on features
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: any other feature to discuss?
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: actually, a quick note:
[9:39pm] HideyoImazu: not from me
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAppInstaller
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny:  Feature Proposal: TWiki application packager and installer
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: i resumed the work this week
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: already started with plugin coding
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: if you have any feedback on spec or specific needs please post on that topic
[9:40pm] VickiBrown: ok
[9:40pm] VickiBrown: good to see it's back to life
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny:  2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: i don't have any urgent bugs to discuss
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: regular ones?
[9:41pm] PeterThoeny: develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7190
[9:41pm] PeterThoeny:  Item7190: RSS feed broken, contains byte 0 in description
[9:41pm] PeterThoeny: i just fixed this before the meeting
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: fixed in render.pm
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: i have a hunch that the same buh lingers in the spreadsheetplugin as well,
so i will check that later tonight as well
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7189
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny:  Item7189: Raw/WYS Edit specification missing in edit script
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item7189
[9:43pm] VickiBrown: update
[9:43pm] VickiBrown: d
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: vicky, you can use the nowysiwyg=1 parameter
[9:44pm] VickiBrown: That's why I updated it
[9:44pm] VickiBrown: nowysiwyg isn't documented.
[9:44pm] VickiBrown: And given that "WYSIWYG" is now just called "edit", and the former edit is
called "Raw edit" people can be expected to think more in terms of "raw on" than "wysiwyg off" now
[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: yes, it should be documented
[9:45pm] VickiBrown: nowysiwyg=1 made sense when WYSIWYG was the option. It would be nice to
recognize raw=on oin edit as wel as view mode, to match the words on the links on the pages
[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: so let's leave this item open as a doc item
[9:45pm] VickiBrown: but definitely a doc bug.
[9:46pm] PeterThoeny: i am reluctant to add yet another on/off switch for wysiwyg
[9:46pm] PeterThoeny: we already have 3
[9:46pm] VickiBrown: in the URL?
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: nowysiwyg in url
[9:47pm] VickiBrown: Oh... I need to file a bug. The "Create this page" page doesn;t recognize the
User variables
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: a tinymcedisable (?) in url and pref setting
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: and a EDITMETHOD pref setting
[9:48pm] VickiBrown: tinymcedisable pref settoinh is deprectaed. WYSIWYG = off preferred
[9:48pm] VickiBrown: I see your point.
[9:48pm] PeterThoeny: long term it would be better to deprecate all but the editmethod one
[9:49pm] VickiBrown: (If it were up to me, of course, we would have 1 way to turn WYS _on_ and the
default would be off, because I loathe it, but that's me. It breaks my code.)
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: and that one support as pref setting and url param
[9:49pm] VickiBrown: and that one support as pref setting and url param — I like this
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: VickiBrown:  can you update the bug item accordingly?
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: any other bug item to discuss?
[9:51pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions
[9:51pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/WebHome
[9:52pm] PeterThoeny: in last 2 weeks smaller fixes/enhancements in many plugins
[9:52pm] PeterThoeny: thanks MahiroAndo and yaojun
[9:52pm] MahiroAndo: you are welcome
[9:52pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SapConnectPlugin
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: by RuedigerPlantiko
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: this is a new plugin
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: cpntributed by migros in switzerland
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: migros is the biggest retail chain in switzerland
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: very good company, environmentally concious
[9:54pm] HideyoImazu: I forgot to mention but what about Codev/SaveAttachmentWithSecurityBypass?
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SaveAttachmentWithSecurityBypass
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: reading...
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: yes, makes sense
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: i like it because it is orthogonal to TWiki::Store::saveTopic
[9:56pm] HideyoImazu: correct
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: do you want to wait for 7 day feedback or get a handle at this meeting?
[9:57pm] HideyoImazu: get a handle
[9:57pm] PeterThoeny: +1
[9:57pm] HideyoImazu: +1
[9:57pm] MahiroAndo: +1
[9:57pm] PeterThoeny: VickiBrown?
[9:58pm] PeterThoeny: may be we lost VickiBrown?
[9:58pm] HideyoImazu: possibly
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: anyway, it looks like accepted by release meeting
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/NotifyAuthorsPlugin
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: i posted the initial version after last release meeting
[9:59pm] HideyoImazu: I need to run for another meeting. TTYL
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: we already talked about this plugin earlier
[9:59pm]  HideyoImazu left the chat room. (Quit: Page closed)
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: before you go:
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: oh, already gone
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: ---+ 4. Miscellaneous
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[10:01pm] MahiroAndo: not from me
[10:01pm] VickiBrown: I updated Item 7189 with your comments from this IRC
[10:01pm] PeterThoeny: thanks
[10:01pm] VickiBrown: and specified Docs
[10:02pm] PeterThoeny: also nothing else from my side
[10:02pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the logs and update the minutes
[10:02pm] PeterThoeny: thanks all!
[10:02pm] PeterThoeny: tty next time
[10:02pm] MahiroAndo: thanks ttyl
[10:02pm]  MahiroAndo left the chat room.