Date: January 3, 2013 10:11:32 PM PST
Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2013x01x04.txt

[8:55pm]  DavidAllen joined the chat room.
[8:56pm] DavidAllen: Hi Peter, Happy New Year!
[8:58pm]  YaojunFei joined the chat room.
[9:00pm] PeterThoeny: hi DavidAllen, YaojunFei - happy new year!
[9:00pm] PeterThoeny: did you do something special for new years?
[9:01pm]  MahiroAndo joined the chat room.
[9:02pm] YaojunFei: Hi, Peter.
[9:03pm] YaojunFei: Hi, David.
[9:03pm] YaojunFei: This is not the really new year in China.
[9:04pm] YaojunFei: But still I enjoyed my long vacation
[9:04pm] PeterThoeny: true, it will be on feb 10
[9:04pm] PeterThoeny: two times celebration
[9:04pm] PeterThoeny: hi MahiroAndo-san
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: this time i sent the invite late
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: sorry, i forgot last night
[9:05pm] YaojunFei: Happy new year to you all.
[9:05pm] DavidAllen: Happy "Gregorian" New Year
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny:
[9:05pm] MahiroAndo: happy new year everyone!
[9:06pm] MahiroAndo: imazu-san is still on vacation. I'm not sure if he can participate in this
meeting
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: YaojunFei:  do you play majong?
[9:06pm] YaojunFei: Yes, but not so skillful
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: at home 4 women are currently playing mahjong
[9:07pm] YaojunFei: I always loose money
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: noisy
[9:07pm] YaojunFei: Majong is a populate game in China
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: we just finished dinner, the wives are now playing mahjong
[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: yes, all hong kong women here
[9:08pm] YaojunFei: I saw your pictures
[9:08pm] YaojunFei: Very nice trip
[9:09pm] YaojunFei: And very happy family
[9:09pm] DavidAllen: Great Year-End update, Peter
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: thanks
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +10 min
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start?
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: agenda at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2013x01x04
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: 3. Extensions
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: ok?
[9:11pm] MahiroAndo: sure
[9:11pm] DavidAllen: Ready
[9:11pm] PeterThoeny: ---++  1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:11pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++  Feature Proposal: Extension documentation to be made end user
friendly
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ExtensionDocumentationMadeEndUserFriendly
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: proposed by hideyo-san
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: i think this is a good proposal
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: it is up to each plugin author to fix the plugins accordingly
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++ Feature Proposal: Configurable Signatures With Profile Pictures
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ConfigurableSignaturesWithPictures
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: by me - i just posted this today
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: based on a support question
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: i'd like to take this into the next release
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: makes twiki look a bit more modern
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: for example a signature in a commentplugin post can look like this:
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: -- %USERSIG{PeterThoeny - 2013-01-04}%
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: it will render like the usual signature, but in addition with a profile
picture of the user
[9:15pm] MahiroAndo: looks good with the pictures:-)
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: can we get a handle if this feature is ok to add?
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: state +1 to support, 0 to abstain, -1 if concern
[9:16pm] DavidAllen: I also like this addition of icon-sized pic -- makes it look more like most
forum-style postings on web
[9:16pm] YaojunFei: +1
[9:16pm] DavidAllen: +1
[9:16pm] MahiroAndo: +1
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: +1
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: ok, accepted by release meeting
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: this is all i had for features
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: any other feature you'd like to discuss?
[9:18pm] DavidAllen: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiAppInstaller
[9:18pm] DavidAllen: was discussed during last twiki_marketing meeting
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: any particula feedback?
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: i am looking forward to more feedback before i start implementing the plugin
[9:20pm] DavidAllen: PeterThoeny:  Thanks for info.
[9:21pm] YaojunFei: What does application means here?
[9:21pm] YaojunFei: Is it a twiki instance or a twiki web?
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: with all these requirements the app installer is getting kind of complex
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: i probably will implement this in phases
[9:22pm] PeterThoeny: YaojunFei:
[9:22pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Sandbox/WebHome#Sample_TWiki_Applications
[9:22pm] PeterThoeny: lists some example apps
[9:22pm]  HideyoImazu joined the chat room.
[9:23pm] PeterThoeny: ContactDB, MeetingMinutes, DiscussionForum etc are apps that are done using
tml (twiki markup language)
[9:23pm] PeterThoeny: those apps consist of a few topics, sometimes with attachments
[9:23pm] PeterThoeny: hi HideyoImazu-san, happy new year!
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: those apps may be installed in a web of choice, or might occupy its own web
[9:24pm] YaojunFei: Is twiki bug web a sort of app?
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: so, some apps might install in a web, some apps might be a completely new web
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: yes, twiki bugs app is a sample app
[9:25pm] MahiroAndo: how will the actual development be like? are developers supposed to edit the
app components locally with a text editor, or do you assume they can develop on the twiki edit?
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: that one occupies its own web
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: the idea is to do everything in the browser
[9:26pm] HideyoImazu: Happy new year, all!
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. app developer does not need to know svn and other details
[9:26pm] YaojunFei: Happy new year, Imazu San.
[9:26pm] MahiroAndo: happy new year Imazu-san!
[9:27pm] DavidAllen: Happy New Year Imazu-san
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu-san, any feature you'd like to discuss?
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: we just accepted:
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ConfigurableSignaturesWithPictures
[9:28pm] HideyoImazu: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WeblistCanmovetoCancopyto
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++ Feature Proposal: WEBLIST canmoveto and cancopyto
[9:29pm] HideyoImazu: any comment, concern, question?
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: i am fine with the feature as proposed (although is is complex due to the
special limitation of small disk space)
[9:30pm] HideyoImazu: this is needed for multiple disk support
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: yes, as we discussed before, this multi disk feature is only needed because
of small disk limitation in certain environments
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: any other feedback on WeblistCanmovetoCancopyto?
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[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: if not, it looks like the feature is accepted by 7 day rule because no major
concerns raised
[9:34pm] HideyoImazu: cool. thanks!
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: related, a question in related (already accepted) item:
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++ Feature Proposal: Copy script
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CopyScript
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: is a new copy script really needed?
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: or is it sufficient to use the existing rename script with a new parameter
for copy functionality?
[9:35pm] HideyoImazu: I think so
[9:36pm] HideyoImazu: i tend to think, copying and renaming are two different things
[9:36pm] HideyoImazu: TWiki: :Store has rename method and copy method
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: or a new action for manage script?
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/viewauth/TWiki/TWikiScripts#manage
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: action:  One of createweb, renameweb, deleteUserAccount, editSettings or
saveSettings
[9:37pm] HideyoImazu: so it's natural to have a distinct copy script
[9:37pm] HideyoImazu: it's not about absolute necessity
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: extra script or add to existing script is an implementation detail not
important to users
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: i am fine either way, just think about ease of maintenance going forward
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i had for featues
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: any other feature?
[9:39pm] HideyoImazu: you will see how it's implemented.
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: actionally one more since HideyoImazu-san is here
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++ Feature Proposal: Avoiding conflict in attachment deletion
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AttachmentDeletionConflictAvoidance
[9:40pm] HideyoImazu: after that, you can see if it's really the right thing.
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: i think this is already implemented
[9:40pm] HideyoImazu: I haven't had chance to look into it in detail yet.
[9:40pm] HideyoImazu: I'll take a closer look soon.
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: next?
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: nothing from me
[9:43pm] HideyoImazu: nothing from me
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Extensions
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++ TWiki Guest Cache Add-On
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TWikiGuestCacheAddOn
[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: i did a small enhancement, now wget is no longer needed
[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: and script is only called once per caching action (before twice)
[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: twiki.org is considerably faster now
[9:46pm] PeterThoeny: also for logged in users
[9:46pm] PeterThoeny: [root@twiki data]# grep '\- caching topic' log201301.txt|wc
 9097  163746  950678
[9:46pm] PeterThoeny: [root@twiki data]# grep '\- from cache' log201301.txt|wc
[9:46pm] PeterThoeny:   30019  540342 3075695
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. 1/4 is cache refresh, 3/4 is cache return
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: cache returns are in 0.1 sec
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: cache refresh is in 1-3 sec
[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: per page
[9:48pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i had on extensions
[9:48pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: if not:
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[9:49pm] HideyoImazu: nothing from me
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: i have two items
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: ---+++ 1. release manager
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: george trubisky stepped down from the release manager role
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: he has done good work in this role
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: so i miss him
[9:51pm] PeterThoeny: that means we have to find a new release manager
[9:51pm] PeterThoeny: any idea where to recruit?
[9:51pm] PeterThoeny: who is suitable?
[9:54pm] PeterThoeny: i'll keep asking around
[9:54pm] PeterThoeny: also on sourceforge.net
[9:54pm] PeterThoeny: second item:
[9:54pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Security issue report
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: timothe reported an issue with clear text password being stored in
configure log
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: HideyoImazu:  did you see?
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: please add your opinion, simply reply to e-mail
[9:55pm] HideyoImazu: yes, i saw it.
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: i wan't to give timothe a response
[9:56pm] HideyoImazu: will do.
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i had
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: any other item?
[9:58pm] PeterThoeny: if not we can close the meeting
[9:58pm] PeterThoeny: just in time
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +59 min
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the log
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: next release meeting will be in 2 weeks
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: next marketing meeting in one week
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: DavidAllen:  do you want to send the invite, or shall i do?
[10:00pm] DavidAllen: PeterThoeny:  It is fine for you to send the invite.
[10:00pm] DavidAllen: Thanks.
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:02pm] PeterThoeny: thanks all, see you next time!
[10:02pm] HideyoImazu: ttyl
[10:02pm] DavidAllen: ttyl
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[10:03pm] MahiroAndo: cool. ttyl
[10:03pm]  MahiroAndo left the chat room.