Date: April 12, 2012 10:28:13 PM PDT
Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2012x04x13.txt

[8:43pm]  GeorgeTrubisky joined the chat room.
[8:54pm] PeterThoeny: hi george
[8:54pm] PeterThoeny: i think i just overwrote some comment you posted on the survey page
[8:54pm] PeterThoeny: let me restore
[8:55pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I fixed it
[8:55pm] GeorgeTrubisky: don't worry
[8:56pm] PeterThoeny: ah, thanks
[8:56pm] GeorgeTrubisky: getting a cup of tea before we start…back in a few
[8:56pm] PeterThoeny: good that everything is version controlled
[8:56pm]  himazu joined the chat room.
[8:56pm] PeterThoeny: sure
[8:56pm] PeterThoeny: hi hideyo-san
[8:57pm] PeterThoeny: george will be back shorty
[8:57pm] himazu: hi peter
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[8:57pm] starshine: sproing.
[9:00pm] PeterThoeny: hi heather
[9:00pm] PeterThoeny: how is sprite the cat doing?
[9:00pm] starshine: He's the cutest thing in his universe. D
[9:00pm] starshine:
[9:00pm] starshine: during days he enjoys kitty-tv at the living room window
[9:01pm] PeterThoeny: we only had him for a few days and miss him
[9:01pm] starshine: since there are birds out there and sometimes a squirrel
[9:01pm] starshine: when I come home he seems to make special effort to be cute
[9:01pm] PeterThoeny: ah, yes, he gets exited when he sees birds
[9:01pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I'm back
[9:01pm] starshine: in the first thing in the morning he realizes we are awake and starts racing
around romping
[9:02pm] starshine: then I fill his food bowl and he happily nom nom noms
[9:02pm] starshine: greets George
[9:02pm] starshine: welcome home from your trip, yeah?
[9:02pm] •GeorgeTrubisky thanks!
[9:03pm] PeterThoeny: it looks like you went with a full bus load to mexico
[9:03pm] GeorgeTrubisky: It was great…weather was a surprise, very much like SF…fog in the morning,
sunshine in afternoon, wind and fog about 4pm
[9:04pm] GeorgeTrubisky: 41 in the bus…a couple of more in a truck towing a trailer
[9:04pm] PeterThoeny: wow
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: let's give it a few minutes before we start
[9:06pm] GeorgeTrubisky: built a roof on a pastor's house at the church we worked at….the trailer
was full of stuff for the house (microwave, frig, table and chairs, beds).  They were real
surprised when we pulled the trailer up the last day
[9:06pm] starshine: heee!
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: big project
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: himazu hideyo-san, around?
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[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: hmm, irc issue again for hideyo-san
[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: well, he is here in spirit
[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: let's get started
[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2012x04x13
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: agenda:
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: 3. TWiki Foundation Discussion
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: i have not seen any new proposals
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: there are the pending ones
[9:10pm] starshine: cool, looking
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: i have nothing to highlight today
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: anyone wants to discuss a feature listed on the page, or a new feature?
[9:11pm] GeorgeTrubisky: nothing from me peter
[9:11pm] starshine: I think if an "AllUsers" group is implemented too smoothly, it risks becoming so
automated that it loses defense against spammers
[9:11pm] starshine: other than this concern it sounds good
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: you can add that concern to the proposal topic as a comment
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: george, anything?
[9:13pm] GeorgeTrubisky: no, sorry
[9:13pm] starshine: I could concieve of a site which is only a 1 page flyer unless one registers, and
is read only unless other things.
[9:14pm] starshine: I've not progressed on the i18n issues sorry
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: i did some progress on bug front in last 2 weeks
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6852 Input types
checkbox and select+multi are broken
[9:14pm] starshine: but, I'm not on pager duty this weekend, will probably progress better soon!
[9:14pm] PeterThoeny: fixed now
[9:15pm] starshine: ooh
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item4782 - Checking
"Remember me on this computer" in login screen fails to log me in at all
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: fixed (patch was provided)
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6866 - Use register tag
handler for spreadsheet calculations for proper inside-out, left-to-right eval order
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: new feature
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[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: this is an interesting one
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: so far the calc is running not with teh register tag handler
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: this results in delayed evaluation of calc formulas
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: which breaks normal nesting order of variables
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. left to right, and inside out
[9:17pm] starshine: hrm
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: that is with %CALC{}%
[9:17pm] PeterThoeny: i added now a new %CALCULATE% with same functionality, running with register
tag handler
[9:18pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6854 - Cannot add
attachments with TWiki 5.1.1 and IE 8
[9:18pm] PeterThoeny: i fixed this
[9:18pm] PeterThoeny: but just today we have a new report of an attachment issue on ubuntu with ff 11
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/SID-01445
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: so there seems to be some bug left
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6865 - Redirect to
viewauth shows domain name twice (Apache login)
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: now fixed (patch was provided)
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6864 - Variable
expansion in TOC{"Topic"} does not work
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: fixed (patch was provided)
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: that is all on my side on bugs
[9:21pm] GeorgeTrubisky: lots of work
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: yes
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: i also fixed a bug on the new sendmailplugin
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: i did this plugin for nist
[9:22pm] PeterThoeny: on sendmailplugin, it would be cool to add a feature to send mail conditionally
on topic save/update
[9:23pm] starshine: conditionally how?
[9:23pm] PeterThoeny: twiki has a %IF{}% you can use to take action conditionally
[9:24pm] starshine: like (if diff bigger than *size*) or such?
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: so you could put the %SENDMAIL in the then="" parameter of %IF
[9:24pm] starshine: would this prevent it mailing if the condition doesn't match, then?
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: for example, if a twiki form has a status field, and the field changes from
open to closed you could send an e-mail
[9:25pm] starshine: what if someone wants to declare several such conditions?
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: or if a signature field is filled in it could send an email to the project
manager that it has been signed
[9:26pm] starshine: ooh
[9:26pm] himazu: can I jump in about %IF{... then="%SENDMAL" ..?
[9:26pm] PeterThoeny: himazu hideyo-san: do you see applicability for your use of twiki?
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: sure
[9:27pm] PeterThoeny: it can be done also the other way around:
[9:27pm] himazu: I'm using that sort of conditionals
[9:27pm] himazu: and I came up with %NULL{...}%
[9:28pm] himazu: which yields a null string regardless of parameters.
[9:28pm] starshine: might need an if-any and an if-all
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: %SENDMAIL{ action="%IF{ "..." then="send" }%" ... }%
[9:28pm] starshine: to make it similar to cheap rules one can craft in typical mailers.
[9:28pm] himazu: %IF{"condition" then="%SENDMAIL" else="%NULL"}%{ ... }%
[9:29pm] himazu: this way, if the condition is not met, nothing is yielded by the %IF{.. and closing
(somewhat dangling ) }%
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: btw, twiki has now a %HIDE{....}% that resolves in an empty string
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: that is since 5.1.1 i think
[9:30pm] himazu: ah. I didn't know that.
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: sorry, 5.1.0
[9:30pm] himazu: i'm still using 4.1.2 and trying hard to upgrade to the latest and greatest
[9:30pm] starshine: I think NULL is an okay alternate name for such a thing
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: %DEVNULL
[9:31pm] starshine: perl = more than one way to do it, but more because people will think of HIDE for
big things, and NULL more for little things
[9:31pm] starshine: heee
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: i use the %HIE on the TWikiUsers topic on twiki.org to hide the 50+k user list
in view mode
[9:32pm] •starshine once very much enjoyed a programming editor with "twisty" like features, that
let you twist a lot of code shut into a one line comment
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: (%HIDE{}% that is)
[9:32pm] starshine: such comments-with-hidden-content looked like
[9:32pm] starshine: ... {comment went here} ...
[9:33pm] starshine: hence I have always enjoyed TWISTY and use it actively at work
[9:33pm] PeterThoeny: yes, twisty is a tool for better usability
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: anything else on conditional or on plugins in general?
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. TWiki Foundation Discussion
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFoundation
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: first on survey
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFoundationSurvey2012
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: i posted some questions
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: george added a comment
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: please review
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: are we on right track with questions?
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: goal is to find out what companies value most on twiki and twiki foundation
[9:37pm] starshine: I think so.  I can feel myself categorizing the questions though
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: so that we can build a foundation that makes sense
[9:37pm] starshine: trait: speed of releases, conditions for release
[9:37pm] starshine: trait: funding/support
[9:37pm] starshine: in this one I have thoughts
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: i think we should add a question on type of org: corporate, non-profit, edu,
gov, ...
[9:38pm] starshine: I wrote to someone elsewhere, of planning for their projects all the types of
budget they could think of
[9:38pm] starshine: hardware
[9:38pm] starshine: software assets
[9:38pm] starshine: persons to develop
[9:38pm] starshine: persons to UI test which is not normally considered dev
[9:39pm] starshine: but here, since wiki is so UI driven, it might
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: where to allocate money most: new features, learning/training, marketplace
buildup, marketing, ...
[9:39pm] starshine: yes
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: we don't have hardware assets
[9:40pm] starshine: but gathering the budget is one trait, how to spend it is a different one.
[9:40pm] starshine: sure you do, I doubt the wiki bits have no hard disk under it
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: a friend of mine is currently taking care of twiki.org hosting
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: so we are good on that front for now
[9:40pm] starshine: it exists, you just don't have to babysit it. this is excellent
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[9:41pm] PeterThoeny: usability testing/enhancement
[9:41pm] starshine: the US federal system classifies 7 types of nonprofit
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: there are many questions we can add
[9:42pm] starshine: we may want to split those up to see which sectors have interest most
[9:42pm] GeorgeTrubisky: what about continue improvements on the structured wiki approach?
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: question is what is a good balance (short & sweet ... long & extensive)
[9:42pm] starshine: maximum of "three clicks to anywhere"
[9:43pm] starshine: and no more than one scroll-down
[9:43pm] starshine: twisty, in my opinion, would be ok
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: yes, structure wiki enhancement goes under the new feature bucket
[9:43pm] starshine: it would hint that one would only open the twisty to reply more, if one cares
about that trait a lot.
[9:43pm] starshine: in older style webs, we would list such questions on an additional page, diving
only into the strongest interests.
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: we could use twiki for the survey (we did in the past), or we can use survey
monkey or another web based survey service
[9:44pm] starshine: I like the structured wiki page, but it is very long to read
[9:44pm] starshine: I prefer we do it within twiki
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: like george said, it would be helpful to make the structured wiki page more
visual
[9:44pm] starshine: to do it with something outside when we could do it ourself has two disadvantages
[9:45pm] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, a diagram would help
[9:45pm] starshine: 1. people could distrust privacy issues
[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: time check: + 45 min
[9:45pm] starshine: 2. it would imply we actually can't do it
[9:45pm] GeorgeTrubisky: perhaps contrasting it to the monster I deal with every day (share point)
[9:46pm] starshine: I have never used sharepoint
[9:46pm] starshine: what's it like?
[9:46pm] •starshine hasn't been forced to use windows much in the last 2-3 years. <3
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[9:47pm] PeterThoeny: we have a sp vs twiki page
[9:47pm] starshine: I enjoy being a visual person and making drawings, but I don't want to stall the
energy I am putting into wysiwyg/mce issues
[9:48pm] starshine: do you have a priority which should be first?
[9:48pm] PeterThoeny: yes, perhaps the structured wiki page could compare to sp and other systems (it
already compares to rdbm)
[9:48pm] starshine: maybe you could have a grid, rather like wiki matrix
[9:48pm] starshine: showing traits and checkmarks when these have or don't have it
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: i like this idea
[9:49pm] starshine: this still won't satisfy people who like pictures, but it would satisfy strongly
people who love lists, or hate long texts.
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: the matrix could have this on top: publishing wikis, enterprise wikis,
structured wikis, rdbm, sp
[9:49pm] PeterThoeny: starshine:  feel free to brush up the structured wiki page
[9:50pm] starshine: PeterThoeny:  ok
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: back to survey
[9:50pm] PeterThoeny: let's have a goal to finish up the survey questions by next meeting
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[9:50pm] GeorgeTrubisky: so dumb questions, but how is the survey delivered?
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[9:51pm] starshine: and what data type?
[9:51pm] PeterThoeny: i can't remember, george, did you own conducting the survey?
[9:51pm] starshine: boolean?  1-5/notapplicable/no opinion?
[9:51pm] GeorgeTrubisky: hmmm, don't think so
[9:52pm] PeterThoeny: i recommend for most questions: strongly disagree, disagree, neutral, agree,
strongly agree
[9:52pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I asked if a list of companies using TWiki exists….you said yes
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: ok, so i ask question: anybody interested in conducting the survey?
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: yes, i can provide a list of e-mail addresses
[9:53pm] GeorgeTrubisky: the mechanic….email, collect responses, compile results?
[9:53pm] PeterThoeny: i can volunteer for the survey, but think it might be a good project for a
member
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[9:54pm] PeterThoeny: yes, create survey based on the questions we have (as twiki app, on
surveymonkey or the like)
[9:54pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I guess I could run it (the survey)
[9:54pm] starshine: I am willing to structure it til its readable
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: ok, so let's split the load
[9:55pm] starshine: I would prefer not to be involved with delivery method or how to store the
results
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: i can compile the list of e-mails and send out the invite
[9:55pm] PeterThoeny: george, could you own creating the survey and doing the stats
[9:56pm] PeterThoeny: heather, you can help massage the questions
[9:56pm] starshine: sure
[9:56pm] GeorgeTrubisky: you mean setting it up on serveymonkey?
[9:56pm] starshine: we should nail down the categories
[9:56pm] starshine: then not have too many items in each category
[9:57pm] starshine: I don't want our people to feel like they slogged through it
[9:57pm] PeterThoeny: to how many questions should we limit the survey?
[9:58pm] PeterThoeny: 10, 20, 30, 50, 100?
[9:58pm] starshine: welll....
[9:58pm] starshine: if you know your audience, you could ask them
[9:58pm] starshine: offer 15, 25, 100.
[9:58pm] starshine: whichever one they say they want to answer, we can point them at that
[9:58pm] PeterThoeny: i would say not too many, 20, max 30
[9:58pm] starshine: the one they're willing to pick becomes the other data point
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: no, i don;t want a survey of a survey
[9:59pm] starshine: 10 is too few
[9:59pm] starshine: 50 is too many for some, and for those its not then 100 feels about the same
[9:59pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: other foundation topic
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: i read up on asf
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFoundation#Apache_Software_Foundation_ASF
[10:00pm] himazu: Incidentally, what's the purpose/goal of the survey? where can I find it?
[10:00pm] PeterThoeny: by philosophy we are pretty close to apache
[10:01pm] starshine: by having a lot of modules we are, too!
[10:01pm] PeterThoeny: himazu:  purpose is to find out what companies value most if create/join a
foundation
[10:01pm] starshine: PeterThoeny:  to participate as a member/activist, or to use the fruits of its
labor?
[10:02pm] PeterThoeny: e.g. what is the purpose of the foundation, model it after customer needs
[10:02pm] himazu: we will show the purpose clearly on the survey, right?
[10:02pm] starshine: if you're not sure, then I *have* to offer that class of questions to help
determine.
[10:02pm] starshine: himazu:  I'd like to
[10:03pm] •starshine just got light bulb over head
[10:03pm] PeterThoeny: no, we can list a rough idea of purpose, but the goal is to find out what
users value most so that we can define a purpose that makes sense to the user base
[10:03pm] starshine: class of user
[10:04pm] PeterThoeny: yes, that is why we need one question to bucketize users: company, non-profit,
edu, ...
[10:04pm] PeterThoeny: himazu:  please add your thoughts on the survey topic
[10:04pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFoundationSurvey2012
[10:04pm] himazu: sure
[10:04pm] PeterThoeny: back to asf
[10:05pm] PeterThoeny: they have an incubation program
[10:05pm] PeterThoeny: every new project needs to go through that program
[10:05pm] starshine: meet basic criteria?
[10:05pm] PeterThoeny: there are currently around 50 projects in incubation stage
[10:06pm] starshine: do we want a require-all or a require-most/vote-oddities-in model?
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[10:06pm] PeterThoeny: well, criteria is:
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[10:06pm] PeterThoeny:   * a working codebase -- check & stable
[10:06pm] PeterThoeny:   * a sponsoring ASF member or officer -- needs to be identified
[10:06pm] PeterThoeny:   * the intention to donate copyright of the software and the intellectual
property to the foundation -- this could be a showstopper if we do not get the agreement by all
copyright holders - PTh is OK
[10:06pm] PeterThoeny:   * apply Apache License -- same potential showstopper
[10:06pm] starshine: I don't want to stifle innovation just to meet rules, but I don't want to weed
gardens a lot, either.
[10:07pm] starshine: Pth ?
[10:07pm] PeterThoeny: (my name)
[10:07pm] starshine: ah ok
[10:08pm] PeterThoeny: so, on copyright assignment we might have an issue, depends on how friendly
the departed users are
[10:08pm] starshine: in the world of patents, owners can grant usage- or even granting- powers
without diluting their own.
[10:08pm] PeterThoeny: twiki has over 100 copyright holders
[10:08pm] GeorgeTrubisky: side note….going to add to topic SharePointVsTWiki
[10:08pm] PeterThoeny: thanks george
[10:08pm] starshine: someone I know actually has such "founders rights" to a very old windowing
software codebase
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[10:10pm] PeterThoeny: what do you think about apache foundation, does that sound interesting if
twiki.org explores joining them?
[10:10pm] starshine: mm, as a member instead of following the similar model?
[10:10pm] PeterThoeny: thumbs up, neutral, thumbs down?
[10:11pm] himazu: I think it's worth considering/trying
[10:11pm] starshine: neutral, haven't read enough detail to decide yet
[10:11pm] starshine: if you use 5-weight instead of 3-weight i weigh slightly toward.
[10:11pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:12pm] himazu: positive but not really sure. i don't know enough about the foundation
[10:12pm] starshine: potential con would be if you think there's any chance we may not like to stay
that way as the world changes
[10:12pm] starshine: 3, 5 years ahead
[10:12pm] starshine: if so, a similar-model might be better, and we could stand still if they move an
unliked direction
[10:13pm] PeterThoeny: what i like about asf is that it is corporate friendly, but still community
driven
[10:13pm] starshine: pro, or possible pro: they've been together awhile and haven't moved very fast, 
so the risk is lower than could be
[10:13pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +73 min
[10:13pm] himazu: also apache has a proven track record.
[10:13pm] starshine: history check, have there been any orgs that have incubated off their model but
left?
[10:14pm] PeterThoeny: we shoukd wrap up in a few min
[10:14pm] starshine: nod
[10:14pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I'm not sure, but like the idea of building the community up
[10:14pm] PeterThoeny: yes, good point: check if possible to jump off ship
[10:14pm] starshine: if not possible or very hard or all who jumped have since shattered
[10:14pm] starshine: I might recommend against
[10:14pm] PeterThoeny: let me investigate more on asf
[10:15pm] PeterThoeny: i will also investigate on wikimedia foundation
[10:15pm] PeterThoeny: wikimedia is probably not that good model for us because of different purpose
[10:15pm] PeterThoeny: but worth exploring to learn
[10:16pm] PeterThoeny: anything else on foundation?
[10:16pm] starshine: see if you can describe its model in abstract traits instead of specific
[10:16pm] starshine: if the abstracted traits match, it's still viable for us
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[10:16pm] starshine: thats it from me I think
[10:16pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[10:16pm] GeorgeTrubisky: me too
[10:16pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
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[10:17pm] GeorgeTrubisky: Hosted by OICcam.com
[10:17pm] starshine: uh, I have some free time planned sat morning, if anyone wants to workparty on
irc I could pop in
[10:17pm] PeterThoeny: i have something on sat morning but can drop in shortly
[10:17pm] starshine: where "morning" = approx 9 to 11am pacific
[10:18pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I have a commitment but not sure if delayed because of local wet weather….
[10:18pm] PeterThoeny: yes, a friend of mine has two racks at hurricane electric, unlimited bandwith
[10:18pm] GeorgeTrubisky: this channel?
[10:18pm] starshine: sure
[10:19pm] PeterThoeny: twiki.org server is now faster than on the previous sun hardware
[10:19pm] GeorgeTrubisky: cool
[10:19pm] starshine: <3 fast
[10:19pm] PeterThoeny: or may be #twiki irc for general stuff
[10:19pm] starshine: I was thinking specific to foundation bits
[10:19pm] PeterThoeny: time check: +79min
[10:20pm] starshine: I don't mind chatting in #twiki proper on twiki code
[10:20pm] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, I'll look (if prior commitment canceled because of rain)
[10:20pm] PeterThoeny: oic, yes, for that this channel might be better
[10:20pm] PeterThoeny: shall we wrap up?
[10:20pm] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:20pm] starshine: sure
[10:20pm] •PeterThoeny hears thunder, rare event in silicon valley
[10:21pm] PeterThoeny: ok, nice chatting with you
[10:21pm] PeterThoeny: i'll post the logs
[10:21pm] GeorgeTrubisky: tornado watch in sacramento
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[10:21pm] PeterThoeny: yes i heard
[10:21pm] starshine: tornado hinted in SF too
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[10:21pm] starshine: also thunder definitely heard here
[10:22pm] •GeorgeTrubisky waves goodbye
[10:22pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl all
[10:22pm] himazu: ttyl
[10:22pm] starshine: bye folks!
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