Date: January 12, 2012 10:02:40 PM PST
Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2012x01x13.txt

[8:00pm]  PeterThoeny joined the room.
[8:52pm]  himazu joined the chat room.
[8:56pm]  GeorgeTrubisky joined the chat room.
[8:57pm] GeorgeTrubisky: hey
[8:58pm] himazu: hi
[8:59pm] GeorgeTrubisky: good morning himazu
[8:59pm] himazu: good morning George
[9:00pm] GeorgeTrubisky: Sorry, good afternoon for you
[9:01pm] himazu: no worries
[9:01pm] PeterThoeny: hi gerorge and hide-san
[9:01pm] himazu: hi Peter
[9:02pm] GeorgeTrubisky: hi peter
[9:02pm] PeterThoeny: あけましておめでっとうございます。
[9:02pm] himazu: 本年もよろしくお願いします
[9:02pm] PeterThoeny: 今年もよろしくおねがいします。
[9:03pm] himazu: You are still maintaining Japanese!
[9:03pm] PeterThoeny: sorry george, i am practicing my rusty japanese
[9:03pm] himazu: written
[9:03pm] PeterThoeny:
[9:04pm] PeterThoeny: i sent an e-mail to [twiki-dev]  30 min ago about using skype
[9:04pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ReleaseMeetingsOnSkype
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: it looks like we can switch to skype
[9:05pm] himazu: sure
[9:05pm] PeterThoeny: i don't know, is it possible on skype to have a named channel we
can announce and anybody can join?
[9:06pm] himazu: I don't know off the top of my head.
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: say, we define a skype chat room called "twiki"
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: i know that it is possible to select some contacts and initiate a chat
[9:06pm] PeterThoeny: but not sure if open chat channel is supported
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: shall we stay with irc for this meeting?
[9:07pm] GeorgeTrubisky: ok with me
[9:07pm] himazu: ok with me too.
[9:07pm] himazu: today, my IRC connection is stable
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: himazu-san:  in case your connection gets bad we can switch
[9:07pm] PeterThoeny: ok
[9:08pm] PeterThoeny: anyone wants to take this as action item? :  investigate if possible
to have open chat channel on skype
[9:09pm] GeorgeTrubisky: actually, I prefer IRC
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: if not possible it might be too restrictive if not anyone can join
[9:09pm] himazu: let me look into it. since I'm motivated to seek alternatives to irc
[9:09pm] PeterThoeny: ok, thanks himazu-san
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: look also into other soltions such as g+
[9:10pm] himazu: sure
[9:10pm] PeterThoeny: (hmm my keyboard is a bit flaky, sometimes missing the "u" strokes)
[9:11pm] PeterThoeny: george, are you a skiier?
[9:11pm] PeterThoeny: my son and i went skiing between xmas and new year
[9:11pm] GeorgeTrubisky: use to be.  haven't done it in 10 years however...
[9:11pm] PeterThoeny: no snow
[9:11pm] PeterThoeny: just machine-made snow
[9:12pm] himazu: I'm like george.
[9:12pm] himazu: used to be a skier. but not for the past 10 years.
[9:12pm] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, friend of my who has season tickets up at tahoe was talking
about that
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: in switzerland there is now too mch snow
[9:12pm] PeterThoeny: time check:  +12 min
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 3. TWiki-5.1.1 Release Planning
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: this is proposed agenda
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: shall we start?
[9:13pm] himazu: sure
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[9:13pm] PeterThoeny: not too mch going on since last meeting
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: i think we should discuss your proposal himazusan
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/WebExtraAttributeRepository
[9:15pm] GeorgeTrubisky: yes.  Sorry, not feeling great today (headache)
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: oh, hope you get well soon george
[9:15pm] himazu: ok
[9:15pm] PeterThoeny: lets make this a short meeting
[9:16pm] PeterThoeny: himazu-san:  did you see my comment?
[9:16pm] himazu: i'm reading it now
[9:16pm] himazu: there are other reasons as well
[9:17pm] himazu: such as read only mirror web.
[9:17pm] himazu: I'm running three twiki sites sharing the same set of contents
[9:17pm] himazu: each web has its master site
[9:18pm] PeterThoeny: yes, i am familiar with this
[9:18pm] himazu: it's stored as an extra attribute of a web.
[9:18pm] himazu: this is not suitable to be stored in WebPreferences or
[9:18pm] himazu: other parts of ordinary web content.
[9:19pm] PeterThoeny: please let me understand why not
[9:19pm] himazu: in addition, i recently extended twiki so that
[9:19pm] himazu: a site can use multiple storage areas.
[9:20pm] himazu: in other words multiple DataDir's and PubDir's
[9:20pm] himazu: to cope with that, each web has "storage" attribute stored in the extra
attribute mechanism.
[9:20pm] PeterThoeny: is this per web? e.g. a web has one or the other data store
[9:21pm] himazu: right now we have two NAS areas (namely /u/twiki and /u/twiki1)
[9:21pm] himazu: and each web is housed in either of the storages.
[9:21pm] PeterThoeny: ah, and to avoid accidents like changing a home site setting or
store setting you want that outside the webpreferences
[9:21pm] himazu: it is per web.
[9:22pm] himazu: correct
[9:22pm] PeterThoeny: ok, that makes sense for complex setups like yours
[9:22pm] himazu: in addition, each web has an LDAP group assigned to it.
[9:23pm] himazu: the members of the LDAP group is regarded as TWikiAdmin of the web.
[9:23pm] himazu: let me elaborate these things on the WebExtraAttributeRepository topic.
[9:23pm] himazu: it's obviously work-in-progress
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: i get the needs now
[9:24pm] PeterThoeny: question now is how this can be implemented so that it is out of the
way for smaller deployments, and easy enough to setup for sites that need it
[9:24pm] himazu: ah.
[9:25pm] himazu: my current implentation is...
[9:25pm] himazu: it's an optional attribute of the TWiki object.
[9:25pm] PeterThoeny: we can brainstorm a bit; i recommend you define a clear spec on
the proposal topic
[9:25pm] himazu: there is a class for the repository
[9:26pm] himazu: in any case, i will describe how i'm doing it.
[9:26pm] himazu: when it's incorporated into TWiki trunk, probably it should be reworked.
[9:27pm] himazu: in any case, even the current implementation takes small installation
into consideration
[9:27pm] himazu: by making it optional
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: it needs to be documented properly, such as in:
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiAccessControl#How_TWiki_evaluates_ALLOW_DENY_s
[9:28pm] PeterThoeny: probably best to have a flag in configure to enable the feature
[9:29pm] himazu: definetly
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: ok, anything else on this?
[9:30pm] himazu: not right now
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/FormfieldWithRevParameter
[9:30pm] PeterThoeny: i implemented this last week
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: useful for twiki apps that need to reference data in the past
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CreateAnAllUsersGroup
[9:31pm] PeterThoeny: this is a useful proposal
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: i removed myself from committed developer because i have too many
other things
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: it needs a new owner
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MakeClearAttachmentsAreVersioned
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: spec is clear
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: and it is accepted
[9:32pm] PeterThoeny: himazu-san:  ready to implement?
[9:33pm] himazu: I'm committed.
[9:33pm] PeterThoeny:
[9:33pm] himazu: but no ETA yet.
[9:33pm] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/NewAutoModeForTwisty
[9:33pm] PeterThoeny: i proposed this
[9:33pm] PeterThoeny: to fix a useability issue
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: accepted proposal
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: i'll implemement
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: that is all i have on proposals
[9:34pm] PeterThoeny: anything else?
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[9:35pm] PeterThoeny: george, anything you'd like to cover?
[9:36pm] GeorgeTrubisky: no
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6830:  Can't
save topic on command line, results in uninitialized value error
[9:36pm] PeterThoeny: GuangyuShi reported this, i fixed it
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: i have nothing else on bugs
[9:37pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. TWiki-5.1.1 Release Planning
[9:38pm] GeorgeTrubisky: so this saturday?
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: we postponed from last weekend to this weekend because i wanted to
updated the copyright year to 2012
[9:38pm] PeterThoeny: i finished on core code
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: still need to do some extensions
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: i'll do that tomorrow and sat morning
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: this sat is fine
[9:39pm] GeorgeTrubisky: what about the unit tests?
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: what time is good?
[9:39pm] PeterThoeny: ah, yes, i need to look into failed unit tests
[9:40pm] GeorgeTrubisky: afternoon….say about  3?
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: i am 99% sure this is a unit test that is not updated, e.g. not a
code issue
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: sounds good
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: i'll be online on skype at 3pm on sat
[9:40pm] PeterThoeny: or irc if you prefer
[9:41pm] GeorgeTrubisky: I'm good this weekend and next.  after that I'm not available
for a couple of weekends
[9:41pm] PeterThoeny: well, i'll be online on both
[9:41pm] GeorgeTrubisky: 3pm it is.  I'll look for you on skype
[9:41pm] PeterThoeny: sounds good!
[9:41pm] PeterThoeny: anything else on release?
[9:42pm] GeorgeTrubisky: no, I'm good
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[9:42pm] PeterThoeny: anything?
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: if not we can close the meeting
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: next one in two weeks as per normal schedule
[9:43pm] himazu: see you then!
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: btw, today i submitted a speaker proposal for oscon in portland,
oregon
[9:43pm] PeterThoeny: twiki talk
[9:44pm] PeterThoeny: hopefully it gets accepted
[9:44pm] GeorgeTrubisky: hope so.  bye!
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[9:45pm] PeterThoeny: ttyl, thanks for participating (next time let's try to get more
participants)
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