Date: September 26, 2011 11:30:16 AM PDT
Subject: JerusalemMeetingLog2011x09x26.txt

[09:58am] GeorgeTrubisky: hi peter
[09:58am] PeterThoeny: hi george
[10:01am] PeterThoeny: still very busy at work?
[10:01am]  GeorgeTrubisky_ joined the chat room.
[10:01am] GeorgeTrubisky_: Got dropped by IRC.  Just rejoined
[10:02am] PeterThoeny: ah, welcome back
[10:02am] PeterThoeny: still busy at work?
[10:02am] GeorgeTrubisky_: yes.  worked again this weekend.  End is in sight however...
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: wow, hopefully with overtime payed!
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky_: lol....no.  We go live in "production" this week.
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky_: How about youo?
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky_: you
[10:04am] PeterThoeny: juggling things as usual
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[10:04am] PeterThoeny: on saturday, my son and i did the radio ham license test
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky_: cool
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: time check:  +5 min
[10:05am]  PeterJones joined the chat room.
[10:05am] PeterJones: Good evening
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: ah, welcome to the release meeting pete
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: how is the old world?
[10:06am] PeterJones: Sorry I have been unavailable recently.Lots happening over here.
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: yes, such as discover particles traveling faster than the speed of light
[10:06am] PeterJones: We are having a nice late summer.
[10:07am] PeterJones: Yes its all back to the future over here
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: pete:  i just mentioned to george, i have now a ham radio license
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: let's get started
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseMeeting2011x09x26
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: proposed agenda:
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: 1. Release Focus of Jerusalem Release
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: 2. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: 4. Miscellaneous
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Release Focus of Jerusalem Release
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: we talked a few times about the release focus
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: i'd like to finalize it today
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseFocus
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: 3 main areas:  usability, social, app marketplace
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: these are ambitious goals
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: what do you think?
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky_: what is the vision for the app repository?
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky_: different than svn?
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: a tool for non-developers to create, upload and use apps
[10:14am] GeorgeTrubisky_: would it be the same concept as a remote maven repository?
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: a packaging standard (manifest in a topic) to define what pages make up
an app,
[10:14am] GeorgeTrubisky_: non-developers....hmmmm
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: and a way to automagically build & upload the app
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: by non-developers i mean people who do not know perl but know html and
learned tml
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky_: so the "app" would just be TML....I see
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: and people who do not know command line tools such as svn
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: take for example this app:
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky_: so the idea is the "apps" get shared?  Just across TWiki sites, or
broader than that?
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Blog/BlogEntry201009x1
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: currently packaged the "old" way:
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/ContactDbAddOn
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: this contact db app could be defined by a manifest and uploaded to
twiki.org
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: and an installer could install it easily
[10:19am] GeorgeTrubisky_: the installer piece...that's the automagic?
[10:20am] GeorgeTrubisky_: to read the maifest
[10:20am] GeorgeTrubisky_: manifest
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: the idea is that twiki champions create apps and share to be used
company internally, or by other orgs
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: the add develper creates a manifest, possibly in a table on a wiki page
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: i have to think it through, but as a goal, make it easy for people to
create and share apps
[10:21am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I wonder if other wiki's have something like this
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: without the need to know svn or other dev tools
[10:22am] GeorgeTrubisky_: yes, I understand
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: i am not aware of any other wiki that has that
[10:22am] PeterJones: No I havent seen that elsewhere either
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: so, back to release focus as stated at
http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/JerusalemReleaseFocus
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: ok like this? add/remove some items?
[10:24am] GeorgeTrubisky_: this •TWiki application marketplace is part of the release focus,
correct?
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: everything up to (not including) brainstorming
[10:26am] GeorgeTrubisky_: is the release focus somewhat like a "parking lot" of idea?  Or
should it be a sharper focus?
[10:27am] GeorgeTrubisky_: The sharper focus would be the feature proposals I suppose
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: guidelines where the focus of dev should be, but developers are free to
work on projects of their own interest
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: with each release, we try to have a focus that should help move the
project forward in a competitive way
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: and in line with the twiki mission,
http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMission
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: any item to add/remove?
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: if not let's vote to accept as stated
[10:30am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I consider the app repo some.  I suppose I can just add to it as
time permits
[10:30am] GeorgeTrubisky_: ok
[10:31am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I accept as stated.
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: i do not understand "consider app repo some"
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: PeterJones:  what is your vote?
[10:33am] PeterJones: FIne with me
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: my vote:  accept as stated
[10:33am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I'll do some research and add more detail about the application
repository focus
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: ok, and i create a feature proposal topic on packaging standard
[10:34am] PeterJones: ok
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Feature Requests for Jerusalem Release
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#New_Feature_Proposals_7_Day_Feed
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: we have a few old proposals that are stalled
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: and one i proposed yesterday
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RollbackAttachmentVersion
by PeterJones
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: thanks pete for posting code
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: unfortunately we could not take it into the 5.1 release for reasons
stated in proposal topic
[10:37am] PeterJones: I have not looked at this proposal for a while
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: how do you suggest to proceed?
[10:38am] PeterJones: I have been re-assigned for the time being and will get back to it. From
my side the initial pressure to this feature has quietend
[10:38am] PeterThoeny: oic
[10:38am] PeterJones: After we upgrade and get our instance stable we will get back to this
[10:38am] PeterThoeny: oh, reassigned, but still doing twiki?
[10:39am] PeterJones: Still doing Twiki yes but with other projects.
[10:40am] PeterJones: There appears to be several features conecening the backend.
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: so, for rollback attachment, work as time permits?
[10:41am] PeterJones: For rollback I do want to get it done. The feedback was very useful.
[10:42am] PeterJones: I wonr be looking at his feature until into November at the earliest
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: ok
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HideTWikiFormIfAllFieldsHidden
by PeterThoeny
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: small feature, i implemented it already on my local machine
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: i can wait 7 days for auto-acceptance
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: or we could vote to accept now at release meeting, according to:
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess#Acceptance_Rejection_Process
[10:44am] GeorgeTrubisky_: looks good to me
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: ok, let's vote
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: PeterJones?
[10:45am] PeterJones: accept
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: me:  accept
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: ok, decided by release meeting vote
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: any other proposals to look at?
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: http: //twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: oops, wrong link
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: http: //develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: george, do you want to drive this agenda item?
[10:49am] GeorgeTrubisky_: ok.  Just go down the list?
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: or just pick a few
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: it looks like all old items except for last two
[10:50am] GeorgeTrubisky_: 4 new items, but some appear stale
[10:51am] GeorgeTrubisky_: looking at item Item6652
[10:52am] GeorgeTrubisky_: http: //develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6652
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: notification works for me, must be a specific setup that makes the issue
[10:54am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I'll follow up with TWiki: Main/SimonGao  to see if its still an
issue
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: thanks george
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: time check:  +54 min, 6 min to go
[10:55am] GeorgeTrubisky_: Yes, I have a hard stop at top of the hour
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: Item6807 and Item6809 posted by timothe litt, configure script related
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: i will look into those
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: any other item?
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: if not:
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: two things:
[10:57am] PeterJones: WikiSym who is going ?
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: 1. twiki user meetup and wikisym
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: 2. change meeting time or not
[10:58am] PeterJones: I arrive on Sunday and leave 20;45 on Thursday
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: i am not going to wikisym, but would like to mingle after hours
[10:59am] PeterJones: I am available whenever from Sunday evening but have a flight thurs
evening
[10:59am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I'm not going to WikiSym
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: GeorgeTrubisky_:  do you plan to attend the twiki user meetup?
[11:00am] GeorgeTrubisky_: #2, change meeting time of the release meeting?
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: on wed after hours
[11:00am] PeterJones: I have a poster for WikiSym 'TWiki a collaboration tool for the LHC'
[11:01am] PeterJones: Who will be at the meetup?
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: on change meeting time, we have hideyo of ms in japan who would like to
join the release meetings
[11:01am] GeorgeTrubisky_: what time works for him?
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: off topic:  president obama is now love at linkedin:
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: http: //www.linkedin.com/today/specials/jobs-growth-rebuilding-economy
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: challenge with meeting time is that it is impossible to get a good time
that works in usa, europe and japan
[11:02am] GeorgeTrubisky_: I cannot commit to the twiki user meeting as of now.  I'll respond
by the end of the week.
[11:03am] GeorgeTrubisky_: sorry I have to go.  peter and pete
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: ok, it would be very nice tough to meet you in person at the meetup, and
you could meet many users
[11:03am] GeorgeTrubisky_: thanks peter and pete
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: ok, let's talk about meeting time another time
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: lets close the meeting
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: thanks george and pete!
[11:03am] PeterJones: See you
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: i'll post the minutes
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: ttyl
[11:04am] GeorgeTrubisky_: Yes, I know.  I just have to look at my schedule about the user
meeting.
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