Date: May 23, 2011 11:09:29 AM PDT
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2011x05x23.txt

[10:02am] PeterThoeny: hi george
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: i am a bit late
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: hi peter
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: no worries
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: did you have a good weekend with the boy scouts?
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, thanks.  Just past arburn....shirtail creek, sugar pine lake
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: cool nights, warm days
[10:06am]  PeterJones joined the chat room.
[10:07am] PeterJones: hello
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: hi pete
[10:07am] PeterJones: Have I missed something ?
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: nice, yes perfect weather now
[10:07am] PeterThoeny: we went to maker faire
[10:08am] GeorgeTrubisky: is that local?
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: volunteering with the rocket club
[10:08am] GeorgeTrubisky: ah....
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: we took our cork rocket for display
[10:08am]  PeterJones left the chat room.
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: see cork rocket at 
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.136249263949.107557.563198949
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: we lost pete
[10:10am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:11am] GeorgeTrubisky: can't get to facebook behind company firewall
[10:11am]  PeterJones joined the chat room.
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: welcome back pete
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: shall we start?
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: so I'll try to plug away at the patch file some more.  Limited by my lack 
of twiki internals knowledge.
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: sure
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: proposed agenda
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: # 1. TWiki-5.0.1 Upgrade Package
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: # 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: # 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: # 4. Miscellaneous
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: i added the upgrade package
[10:13am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. TWiki-5.0.1 Upgrade Package
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: i can help out as needed
[10:15am] GeorgeTrubisky: I need to find out why I have extra files.  spot check looks good.  I 
haven't functional test yet because of the file counts (per my email)
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:15am] GeorgeTrubisky: maybe I need a different tar option
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: let me review what you wrote in the e-mail (after meeting), may be i spot 
something
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: basic approach to counts
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: tar xfv TWiki-5.0.2.tgz cd twiki ls -R | wc -l 3922 cd .. rm -rf twiki 
tar xfv TWiki-5.0.0.tgz cd twiki ls -R | wc -l 3893 cd .. tar xfv TWiki-5.0.2-upgrade.tgz cd twiki ls -R | wc -l 4037
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: sorry, that didn't come out well
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: its all in the email
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: kind of strange that the untarred file has more fles than the original one
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: yeah.
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: A few files I can explain
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: you removed a few files from the high level twiki directory between 
5.0.0 and 5.0.2
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: but I'm off by about 144....
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: I was looking at tar options  --overwrite
[10:19am] GeorgeTrubisky: any docs on how the patch file was created in the past?
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: nothing more than what we have in the how to build release topic
[10:21am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: ok, let's follow up by email and chat
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:21am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok.  Thanks
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: we had good activity in core and plugins in last 2 weeks
[10:22am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: PassTextAndMetaDataToRegisterTagHandlerCallback: i checked this in last week
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: this is to make older plugins good citicens
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: meaning, some plugin cannot use the recommended registerTagHandler because 
the need to reference topic text outside the variable
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: this feature allows those plugins to do that
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: variables of plugins that use that handler will be expanded as expected, 
e.g. inside out, and left to right
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: obvious candidates to use this new feature are chartplugin, gaugeplugin, 
spreadsheetplugin, dbiqueryplugin (and more)
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: the behavior will be different, so not sure yet how to handle compatibility
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: compatibility is a must, so might be better to introduce either a switch to 
revert to old behavior, or a new variable in parallel to the existing variable
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: for example, %CALC{}% could do the old behavior, and %CALCULATE{}% the new
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: opinions?
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: ReadOnlySkinMode: this is now implemented as well
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: CustomizableTopBarSizing: proposed by Thomas Weigert
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: this functionality is now covered by TWikibug:Item6659, "Customizable 
web-specific top bar"
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/PluginGarbageCollection:
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: new proposal by timothe
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: posted yesterday
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: i have not looked into details, but i think it is a good idea to add a 
callback for plugins to cleanup
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DownloadTWikiVM:
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: i created a vmware appliance using the latest centos and latest twiki release
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: we have now several downloads a day
[10:35am] GeorgeTrubisky: so queston about the new proposal by timothe
[10:35am] GeorgeTrubisky: I did not see it on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: i also created a microsoft hyper-v appliance, but i have no way to test it
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: yes?
[10:36am] GeorgeTrubisky: what's the process?  Should it appear on 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals ?
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:36am] GeorgeTrubisky: so dumb question, but who does that?
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: the TWikiFeatureProposals topic is cached
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: i just refreshed before i posted the link
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: so now it shows up
[10:37am] GeorgeTrubisky: ic  ok, thanks
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: this page has many embedded searches, so it is slow, the reason for caching
[10:38am] GeorgeTrubisky: thanks.  Please continue
[10:39am] GeorgeTrubisky: so you need a centos install to test?
[10:39am] PeterThoeny: no, the vm contains centos as a guest os
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: i need someone with a hyper-v environment to run the vm
[10:40am] GeorgeTrubisky: ic.
[10:40am] GeorgeTrubisky: is that the microsoft version of VM ware?
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: in regards to hyper-v, i created the .vhd image file using a converter from the 
vmware .vmdk
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MoreVisualUserHomepages:
[10:42am] GeorgeTrubisky: we use to have it here at safeway, but got rid of it in favor of VMware a few
 years ago
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: i proposed this over the weekend
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: two purposes to revamp the user homepages:
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: 1. change from default fields tailored to public twikis to form fields for workplace
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: 2. more visually appealing page layout, including photo
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: for this feature it would be good to have a image upload/selector feature
[10:44am] GeorgeTrubisky: lol.  Nice example
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: the image uploader/selector would be a plugin
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: yep, i like jimmy
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: plugin proposed at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/ImageSelectionPluginDev
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: please spread the word and ask around if someone is interested in creating this plugin
[10:47am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: i will work on the user homepage stuff
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: any other feature proposals to discuss?
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: PeterJones:  anything from your side?
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: quick update on plugins:
[10:48am] PeterJones: Not too much work done on teh features. I had a problem with the commentPlugin on 4.3.2
[10:49am] PeterJones: The plugin truncates a string on a single quote.
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: if you found a bug please file a report
[10:49am] PeterJones: This does not occur on 5.0.1 though
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: ah
[10:50am] PeterJones: I have a the newset plugin too.
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: the plugin has encode options
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: did you play with them? you can tweak the encoding
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: the single quote issue might be related to the encoding
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: plugin update:
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: ChartPlugin: more improvements by tait
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: GaugePlugin: tait plans to add an image-less gauge option
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: GaugePlugin: timothe proposes to embed gauge images inline unsing data uri
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: "using"
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: VarCachePlugin: timothe posted improvements, i will check in
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: ReputationPlugin: joona posted an update
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: MicroformatsPlugin: this plugin was in svn but never released to twiki.org plugins 
repository
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: i improved the plugin and posted it on twiki.org
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: this plugin is a nice start, but needs more improvemenst to be useful
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: i think this plugin has potential
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: in last two weeks i improved docs of over 20 other plugins
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: george, do you want to cover any bug?
[10:58am] GeorgeTrubisky: nothing to report
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: i'd like to discuss what features we'd like to have before we release 5.1
[10:59am] GeorgeTrubisky: I can go about 15 minutes longer, so go for it
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: BackupRestoreUtility: this is a must i think
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: MoreVisualUserHomepages:  i'd like to do this for 5.1
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: CombineJumpBoxAndSearchBox: this is a nice to have for 5.1, as time permits, but
 not a release blocker
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion: this would be nice
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: DiffAttachments: nice to have
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: what else?
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: EmptyTrash: this would be nice
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: SummaryBasedOnSearchTerms: this would be nice to have
[11:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: I know, but I can't see it happening for the 5.1 release, sorry
[11:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: EmptyTrash
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: the empty trash is not a release blocker
[11:03am] GeorgeTrubisky:
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[11:03am] PeterThoeny: any other items that should go into 5.1?
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: hi elias_a
[11:04am] elias_a: Hello.
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: welcome to the release meeting
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: we are about to wrap up the meeting
[11:04am] elias_a: Joined to fulfill my curiosity
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: how do you use twiki?
[11:04am] elias_a: Sorry - late as always.
[11:05am] elias_a: Well - at the moment I am testing it for a client.
[11:05am] PeterThoeny: GeorgeTrubisky, PeterJones:  any other item that should go in 5.1?
[11:05am] elias_a: The thing is - Twiki has exactly the features they need.
[11:06am] PeterJones: not for me
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: what features do they need?
[11:06am] GeorgeTrubisky: nothing specific
[11:06am] elias_a: Is there a live demo somewhere?
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: ok, let's close the meeting,
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: we can continue to chat informally
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: i'll post the minutes
[11:06am] elias_a: PeterThoeny:  Shall we talk here or on the regular channel?
[11:07am] PeterJones: bye
[11:07am] PeterThoeny: ok, let;s switch there
[11:07am] elias_a: OK.
[11:07am] PeterThoeny: thanks pete and george!
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[11:07am] GeorgeTrubisky: Peter, I'll continute to plug away on the patch file...your feedback to my 
email is welcome
[11:07am]  elias_a left the chat room.
[11:07am] PeterThoeny: ok, i'll look into the email
[11:07am] GeorgeTrubisky: thanks