Date: May 9, 2011 11:26:49 AM PDT
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2011x05x09.txt

[10:04am] PeterJones: Evening Peter
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: Morning Peter
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: good morning george, good evening pete!
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: sorry for the delay
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: thank you george for releasing 5.0.2 last week!
[10:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: your welcome.
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: it was a good release
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: no hickups
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: great for first time
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2011x05x09
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: proposed agenda:
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 3. Miscellaneous
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: anything to add?
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: I still have the 5.0.2 patch file to do.  Need some guidence for
filtering the topic files....
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: what to exclude
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: ok, let's talk about this first
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: ---++ TWiki-5.0.2 Release Follow-up
[10:13am] PeterJones: I have yet to install 5.0.2 . Will do during the week
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: step 10 of building final release in
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/BuildingARelease
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: has the basic info
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: the update package is basically the changed file list
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: e.g. all files that changed since 5.0.0 release
[10:15am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes.  However, there is additional criteria for creating the changed
file list
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: some directories to exclude?
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: this allows one to simply unpack am update package over a live twiki
installation
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: yes, there are some details that are not documented
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: all dirs except twiki/data and perhaps twiki/pub should be fine
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: the topics need special attention
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: it might be best if we do that together thsi week
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, so exclude those 2 directories.  got it
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: no, they need to be included, but some files need to be excluded
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: oh
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: ic
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: as for steps, first get the complete change list
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: then exclude files in data and possibly pub
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: there are two reasons to exclude topics:
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: 1. topics that are in the package but that are likely customized by the user
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: example: WebHome, WebStatistics, WebNotify, WebPreferences, ...
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: 2. topics that differ only in META:TOPICINFO
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: this happened in last two releases due to build issue we had
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: so from 5.1 on, reason 2 will no longer be an issue
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: but now we need to worry about it
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: as you have seen there are many topics that seem to have changed, but many
only differ in META:TOPICINFO
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: here is the complicated part (again only for this release, N/A for
upcoming 5.1.x) :
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: we probably need to exclude the first line in topics from compare,
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: and we need to exclude the .txt,v files from compare
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: do you follow what i mean?
[10:25am] GeorgeTrubisky: about 400 of the ~900 change files from 5.0 to 5.0.2 are from twiki/data
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: yes, and that number should be much smaller if we exclude the topic meta line
[10:25am] GeorgeTrubisky: so your point is most of these most likely are for the differences in
the META:TOPICINFO
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:26am] GeorgeTrubisky: ic.  Ok.  I will try that and send you an email about the results this week.
[10:27am] GeorgeTrubisky: After that, we can look for an opportunity to git on skype in the PM.
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: as for steps, i suggest the following (just a thought) :
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: - unpack each release in temp dir
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: - in twiki/data:
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: - remove all .txt,v files
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: - patch each .txt file to remove the topic meta line (can be done with
shell scripting using pipe to | grep -v ... | etc)
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: compare the patched .txt in the two releases
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: if you want we can do that together
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: may be you find an easier way to compare the .txt files in the two releases
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: time check: +31 min
[10:31am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok.  I will send an email and schedule time with you for later this
week (thursday PM perhaps)
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: ok, sounds good
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:35am] PeterJones: I updated http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RollbackAttachmentVersion
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: we are now in good shape for 5.1 release
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: i suggest that we release soon, e.g. focus on a few more features before we
do that
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: we have yearly releases, the last one was at the end of may
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: it is not realistic to target end of may
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: but it would be good to release sometimes in june
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion: thanks pete for attaching the files
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: i have not looked into it yet
[10:38am] PeterThoeny: as for process, it might be better to either attach a patch, or to checkin
directly into trunk
[10:38am] GeorgeTrubisky: I am out of town the entire week of june 19th.  So 5.1 would have to be
targeted for week of June 5th or wait till after I'm back
[10:38am] PeterThoeny: that way we can see what changed and can give feedback more easily
[10:39am] PeterThoeny: ok, george we can work with that schedule
[10:39am] PeterJones: ok , I can update the page. Do you agree with the direction of this plugin ?
[10:40am] PeterJones: I mean feature
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: pete: so you first checkout the file on the server to a temp file, then
checkin again?
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: sorry, i take this back, i see now that you also attached the diff! sorry,
i missed that
[10:43am] PeterJones: Yes. the user simply checks out an old version and can then re-attach if
happy with it. I prefere this way in case the rollback is uninteded
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: ah, so the user downloads a previous version, then re-attaches it?
[10:45am] PeterJones: Yes
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: hmm, but user already can view/download an older version
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: i do not understand, what is the difference between view and checkout older
version?
[10:46am] PeterJones: view yes in the browser. Ok if its text
[10:47am] PeterJones: What if its a binary file
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: with the the mime type, the file should be delivered properly
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: i think not many users of twiki know what a checkout is (not all twiki users
a developers)
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: i think it would be more convenient for user if restoring an older version is
a point and click operation, e.g. no need to download and re-upload again
[10:51am] PeterJones: ok , I will re-evaluate this feature, It was requested by some of our users
and I will check again on the requirment and use cases.
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: here is my suggestion: the actions have: view, restore
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: the "restore" link either shows a javascript confirm dialog box and does
the co/ci action on the server, or leads to new oops page that has a "restore previous attachment
version" form with revision pre-filled. and on "Restore" button pressed, does the co/ci on the server
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: the first option is easier to implement but requires javascript (ok with me),
the second option is more explicit (may be less user error prone)
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: what do you think?
[10:56am] PeterJones: ok I understand. If you have an example of something similar please send the link
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: ok, let me look around
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: time check: +56 min
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: i have to leave in a few
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: SummaryBasedOnSearchTerms: pending. i'll ping steve mokris
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: ReadOnlySkinMode: i'll work on this next
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: BackupRestoreUtility: i'll resume work on this
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: this is a must for 5.1 release imho
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: CombineJumpBoxAndSearchBox: i'll work on this as time permits
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: DiffAttachments: pete, possinly work after the rollback attachment version?
[10:59am] PeterJones: Not yet
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: george, what was the feature you planned to work on?
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: ah i see
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: EmptyTrash: george to work on it as time permits
[11:01am] GeorgeTrubisky: "empty trash"
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: CustomizableTopBarSizing: thomas weigert proposed this. possibly no loner
needed due to Item6659: "Customizable web-specific top bar" that went into 5.0.2 patch release
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: that is all i had on features
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: any other/new feature?
[11:03am] PeterJones: No
[11:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: nope
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: let's skip this
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: anything?
[11:04am] PeterJones: no from me
[11:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: same
[11:05am] PeterJones: see you next time
[11:06am] GeorgeTrubisky: bye.  Got to go myself.
[11:06am]  PeterJones left the chat room.
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: ok, thank pete and george!
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: ttyl
[11:07am]  GeorgeTrubisky left the chat room.