Date: March 28, 2011 11:00:08 AM PDT Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2011x03x28.txt [09:57am] PeterJones joined the chat room. [10:00am] PeterThoeny: hi pete! [10:01am] PeterJones: Hi Peter, we have changed to summer time [10:02am] PeterThoeny: ah, so same local time again [10:03am] PeterJones: Yes we are now GMT+2 [10:03am] PeterThoeny: getting warmer? [10:03am] PeterThoeny: we haev excellent weather now [10:04am] PeterThoeny: but last two weeks was lots of rain [10:04am] PeterJones: Yes it has been quite warm [10:04am] PeterThoeny: and so much snow in the mountains that some ski resorts had to be closed due to avalanche danger [10:04am] PeterJones: Went skiig in Verbier on friday and had to go to 3000m [10:04am] PeterThoeny: nice! [10:04am] PeterJones: At least 5 people got caught in one [10:05am] PeterThoeny: ouch [10:05am] PeterJones: There is not that much snow left, it had been too warm [10:05am] PeterThoeny: several people die every year in switzerland in avalaches [10:06am] PeterJones: Yep, never go off the track otherwise its just too risky [10:07am] PeterThoeny: my brother and i went on ski tours in switzerland near my hometown [10:07am] PeterThoeny: we studied the snow and snow history to assess the risk of avalanches [10:07am] PeterThoeny: and listened to the snow bulletin [10:08am] PeterJones: really? so you know when not to go skiing? [10:08am] PeterThoeny: we went off tracks [10:08am] PeterThoeny: i forgot a lot, but then, yes, we knew when it was too risky and where it was too risky [10:09am] PeterJones: I see, were you a guide? [10:09am] PeterThoeny: no [10:09am] PeterThoeny: but learned at the military [10:09am] PeterThoeny: and studied in books [10:10am] PeterJones: I learned here in my 20s so I ski like $%#& [10:13am] PeterJones: See http://www.tsr.ch/video/info/journal-19h30/#id=3043538 [10:14am] PeterThoeny: looking... [10:16am] PeterThoeny: yeah, avalanches are very dangerous [10:17am] PeterThoeny: hmm, nobody else joining today [10:17am] PeterThoeny: so let's do just a quick recap what happened in last two weeks [10:17am] PeterJones: Its gone 15 past. I guess not [10:17am] PeterThoeny: lots of activity on plugins [10:17am] PeterJones: Which ones have been upgraded? [10:17am] PeterThoeny: in last two weeks these extensions have been updated: [10:18am] PeterThoeny: SetGetPlugin, SpreadSheetPlugin, LaTeXToMathMLPlugin, KwikiToTWikiAddOn, ContactDbAddOn, JSPwikiToTWikiAddOn, GoogleSearchPlugin, GpgkeyPlugin, NavBarAddOn [10:18am] PeterThoeny: i completely rewrote http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/NavBarAddOn [10:18am] PeterJones: Thats great news. [10:18am] PeterThoeny: navbar can be embedded in skin, [10:18am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/NavBarAddOn#Embed_Navigation_Bar_in_Skin [10:18am] PeterJones: Was the Latex one a major re-write? [10:18am] PeterThoeny: no, that was simple fix [10:19am] PeterThoeny: i also enhanced the SetGetPlugin [10:19am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SetGetPlugin [10:19am] PeterThoeny: it now optionally can save variables persistently [10:20am] PeterThoeny: e.g. you can set a variable in one topic and read later in another [10:20am] PeterJones: cool [10:20am] PeterThoeny: see and try http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SetGetPlugin#Remember_my_mood [10:24am] PeterThoeny: on core twiki also made progress [10:24am] PeterThoeny: AddSetGetPluginToCoreDistribution - the SetGetPlugin is now part of core [10:24am] PeterJones: ok [10:25am] PeterThoeny: ParameterizedVariables - i added the docs of the feature chris lahti implemented [10:25am] PeterThoeny: BackupRestoreUtility - i will resume work soon, critical for 5.1 release [10:26am] PeterThoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion - pete - what is status? [10:26am] PeterThoeny: DiffAttachments - pete - what is status? [10:26am] PeterJones: I worked on this before going on holiday. I changed the approach several times [10:27am] PeterJones: I think perhaps it should be a feature to checkout and save a previous version of an attachment [10:28am] PeterJones: The diff attachments is a little tricky. How to make a diff between .exe , .gif etc [10:28am] PeterThoeny: yes i think checkout on server to temp space and check in again is the right approach [10:29am] PeterJones: This is the safe option. [10:29am] PeterThoeny: on diff attachments, read my comments, [10:29am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DiffAttachments [10:29am] PeterJones: A direct rollback may , in reality , make users rollback the wrong version and then regret it [10:31am] PeterThoeny: yes, too dangerous [10:31am] PeterJones: Limiying the files for the diffs would be an answer [10:33am] PeterThoeny: yes, or much easier, delegate that to rcs [10:33am] PeterThoeny: rcs returns "binary files differ" in case it can't do the diff [10:34am] test123 joined the chat room. [10:35am] test123:this is pth testing [10:35am] test123 left the chat room. [10:36am] PeterThoeny: that was me testing [10:36am] PeterJones: ok [10:36am] PeterThoeny: george can get on using http://webchat.freenode.net/ [10:36am] PeterThoeny: i tried and it works for me [10:36am] PeterThoeny: seems may be they block the site [10:36am] PeterThoeny: at his workplace [10:37am] PeterThoeny: anything else on the two features you work on? [10:38am] PeterJones: no [10:38am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/VarHIDE [10:39am] PeterThoeny: i proposed this, now accepted by 7 day feedback period [10:39am] PeterThoeny: %HIDE{ ...... }% will hide the enclosed text [10:39am] PeterThoeny: when viewing the page [10:39am] PeterThoeny: i'll implement it today (very small enhancement) [10:39am] PeterJones: what is the diff withthe you get the comment sent to the browser [10:40am] PeterJones: ok [10:40am] PeterThoeny: with %HIDE{ comment }% nothing is sent [10:40am] PeterThoeny: useful to hide large amounts of text [10:41am] PeterThoeny: such as the very big twikiusers page on twiki.org [10:41am] PeterJones: yes i see [10:41am] PeterJones: good idea [10:41am] PeterThoeny: not to be used instead of access control because a raw view still shows the content [10:42am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/TWikiUsers now loads very fast [10:42am] PeterThoeny: before it was putting load on the server [10:42am] PeterThoeny: when viewing that page [10:45am] PeterThoeny: that is all on my side [10:45am] PeterThoeny: on features and plugins [10:46am] PeterThoeny: tomorrow george and i will get together to learn how to build twiki 5.0.2 [10:46am] PeterJones: fine with me on features and plugins too [10:46am] PeterThoeny: george is now getting more familiar with the build [10:49am] PeterJones: anything else peter? [10:52am] PeterJones: I have to go. Speak to you next time [10:53am] PeterJones left the chat room. (Quit: Konversation terminated!)