Date: March 14, 2011 11:25:18 AM PDT
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2011x03x14.txt

[09:55am]  PeterThoeny rejoined the room.
[09:59am]  mgg joined the chat room.
[10:00am] PeterThoeny: hi george, juho, mgg
[10:00am] GeorgeTrubisky: Hi Peter
[10:00am] mgg: Hello Peter
[10:01am] JuhoSaarinen: hi Peter
[10:01am] PeterThoeny: nice to meet new folks mgg and juho
[10:02am] PeterThoeny: mgg, what is you twiki.org wikiname?
[10:02am] mgg: MichaelGulitz
[10:02am] mgg: I should change my nick in IRC...
[10:02am]  mgg is now known as MichaelGulitz.
[10:03am] MichaelGulitz: done
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: ah, hi michael!
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: when is summer time changing in germany?
[10:04am] MichaelGulitz: i think on march 27
[10:04am] PeterThoeny: it changed yesterday here in usa
[10:04am] MichaelGulitz: we like  the darkness so much
[10:04am] PeterThoeny: countries in the northern hemisphere shoudl talk to each other and
align the time to switch
[10:05am] MichaelGulitz: that would be great
[10:05am] MichaelGulitz: I just got some interesting news today
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: may be each can give a short intro to get to know each other?
workplace, what twiki used for, goal for twiki?
[10:06am] MichaelGulitz: a customer of us has been using foswiki for some time and it might
be that they will switch back to twiki
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: yes, michael?
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: interesting
[10:06am] PeterThoeny: why?
[10:07am] MichaelGulitz: the made an upgrade an now nothing is working anymore...
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: ah
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: the foswiki folks put emphasis on features and code refactor, not so
much on stability and compatibility
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: and usability
[10:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: I work for Safeway, a food retailer, I'm serving as the new twiki
release manager, also learning twiki internals
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: for those not familiar, safeway is one of the biggest (the biggest?)
supermarket chains in the usa
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: george is taking over the release manager role from sopan
[10:10am] GeorgeTrubisky: your welcome.  Walmart is actually the biggest, but safeway is 2nd
or 3rd I think...
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: george has lots of experience and i am glad he joined the team!
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: juho, michael, could you give short intro?
[10:11am] JuhoSaarinen: I work in Sogeti Finland as a testing senior consultant. But mainly
I have used TWiki within my student organization.
[10:11am] MichaelGulitz: What is the main usage of Twiki at Safeway?
[10:12am] JuhoSaarinen: Used TWiki also at work, and build kind of open source project
platform for testing
[10:12am] JuhoSaarinen: A bit like NEST http://conceptnest.org/www/
[10:13am] GeorgeTrubisky: none right now   I recently returned to Safeway after being gone
for about 6 months during which I met peter and twiki....
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: time check: +13 min
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: about me: i started twiki 13 years ago when i had a need for a
knowledge base for customer support
[10:14am] MichaelGulitz: I'm working for consulting company, but we are also developing a
software product of our own. We are using Twiki internally an in combination with our
product. I'm responsible for twiki
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: in 2007 i cofounded twiki.net, now twiki inc
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: at twiki inc we just rolled out a new hosting solution based on twiki
that includes project management task tracking, team dashboards and more, targeting the small
and medium businesses
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: lets start
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2011x03x14
has agenda
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: # 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: # 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: # 3. Miscellaneous
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: anything to add?
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: ---+ 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: on empty trash, peter you were going to add a spec based upon our
last meeting chat
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: oh, yes, let me do that this week
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: I haven't had much time to investigate yet, but intend to do so
this week
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: cool
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: quick review of items of last time:
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: ParameterizedVariables - i will do the checkin of the docs
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: ReadOnlySkinMode - pending, i will work on it
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: SummaryBasedOnSearchTerms - steve mokris, no news
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: OpenIdRpContrib - ian is working on 5.0 and new user data api; i met
him last week
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: CombineJumpBoxAndSearchBox - a bit on hold
[10:20am] GeorgeTrubisky: one thing I need you to clarify in the spec for empty trash....
deleting topics as well as attachments.  Not sure what your vision was...
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion - peter jones, no news
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: DiffAttachments - peter jones
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: MoveToJQuery - first part done, need to remove dependency on behaviour
script (low prio)
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: ModalBoxAddOn - now finished and posted on twiki.org
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: EmptyTrash - peter to post spec
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: that was all for last meeting review
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: what is new?
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: i just glanced over http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: nothing new proposed in last two weeks
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: for core
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: but lots of activity in extensions
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: last week i worked on a complete rewrite of
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/NavBarAddOn
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: coding more or less done
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: checked into svn, but not yet on twiki.org
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: now all css and js based
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: can be integrated into top bar of skin
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: plan to add optional pulldown menus to tabs
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: tabs have more modern look
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: will post probably this week
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: i also tested and updated a bunch of plugin for twiki-5.0
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: most recently GnuPlotPlugin, FamilyTreePlugin, EmbedQTPlugin,
EmbedBibPlugin, CopyrightPlugin, ContributorsPlugin, etc
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: we have 224 extensions tested on twiki-5.0
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: that's it on feature proposals
[10:29am] MichaelGulitz: I still have that KinoSearch problem: the new CPAN module KinoSearch
has been changed, so the addon does not work any more
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: yes, in addition, kinosearch has a cgi script that needs to be fixed
for twiki-5.0
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: we have still a few important extensions that need to be updated for
twiki-5.0
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: such as kinosearch
[10:30am] MichaelGulitz: I tried to adapt the code but this is too big for a perl newbie like
me and I'm stuck in other tasks
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: and dbiqueryplugin (currently improved by dipu)
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TemporarySearchFor50 has the list
of extensions not yet tested on twiki-5.0
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: some of those are obsolete, e.g. will not be updated
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: i heard from a friend that he got ldapcontrib working on twiki-5.0
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: need to get details if any issues or not
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: time check: +33 min; 27 min to go
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: anything else on features or plugins?
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: any new idea we can discuss?
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: if not:
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: as before, we are in relatively good shape on the bug front
[10:36am] GeorgeTrubisky: So, I have not received anyfeedback from Item5384: Allow Delete of
Duplicate Attachments, so I marked it awaiting release
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: having stated that, we do have many annoyances bugs and small usability
fixes that can make a difference if fixed
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: yes, Item5384 looks good, thanks george!
[10:38am] PeterThoeny: fixing bugs is a good way to get familiar with the code and with our
dev process
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: michael and juho, you can help out if you feel like
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: as a contributor you can influence the project
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: any other bug items to review?
[10:41am] MichaelGulitz: Bug http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6602 caused
some trouble today on our system. Is the work on it still in progress?
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: hmm, develop.twiki.org takes a long time right now
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: probably self update right now
[10:43am] MichaelGulitz: it is about changed file names when downloading attachments...
[10:43am] JuhoSaarinen: now develop opened
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: here too
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: someone needs to debug 6602
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: i do not have the time to look into this bug
[10:47am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'll look at it, at least do some more investigation.
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: thank you george!
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: any other bug item?
[10:48am] MichaelGulitz: not from me
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: if not:
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: actually, i have one more bug item
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: we got a report of a url parameter that needs to be sanitized
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: no bug number yet
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: i will investigate and create a bug report
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: we might need to create a new 5.0.2 patch release with that, not sure yet
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: now to:
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: i have two items
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: 1. twiki 5.1 release
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: 2. getting people involved
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: any other items?
[10:52am] GeorgeTrubisky: Peter, I have a hard stop at top of hour.  I have some admin follow-up
from our meeting on Saturday.  I'll send you a email tonight
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: ---++ TWiki-5.1 Release
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: ok, we'll finish at +60 min
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: we target yearly releases
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: 5.0.0 was at end of may
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiRelease05x00x00
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: so we should target 5.1 at around that time
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: i plan to finish a few features for that
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: imho most important for making an impact is the backup and restore plugin
that makes it easy to upgrade a twiki
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: if you have an idea of a feature that is newsworthy please propose and
implement for 5.1
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: good opportunity to get some publicity and name recognition
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: any feedback on 5.1 release schedule?
[10:56am] GeorgeTrubisky: peter, I have to leave now.  Talk with you later!
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: ok, thanks george!
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: ---++ Getting People Involved
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[10:57am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/GettingInvolved
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: i created that topic at the end of last year
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: it is listed prominently on homepage
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: my contribution to get more people involved
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: it had some success, but we are still too small
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: any idea how we can get more people involved?
[11:00am] MichaelGulitz: I will think about it... we are planning to give at least an update
to our success story on Twiki.org...
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: yes, please do
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: i think writing blog posts on twiki.org help too
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: i'll try to get more active on the blog front as well
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: time check: +60 min
[11:01am] JuhoSaarinen: Maybe somehow telling that it's easy to contribute eg. through
plugin development
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: yes, good point
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: it would be helpful to review the docs on how to get started as a
plugin developer
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[11:02am] PeterThoeny: to see if it is inviting and intuitive enough
[11:03am] MichaelGulitz: We have contact to some universities... perhaps there are some
possibilities
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: hi pete, we are about to wrap up
[11:03am] PeterJones: Hi
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: michael, that would be great if you could get some students involved
[11:04am] PeterJones: Sorry Im late.
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: mentoring students takes some time, but it is good experience and
satisfying to help out students
[11:04am] JuhoSaarinen: That NEST platform is developed nowadays in one University of
applied sciences, but they switched to Foswiki couple of versions ago
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: pete, ah, confusion on gmt time change
[11:05am] JuhoSaarinen: first versions used TWiki
[11:05am] PeterThoeny: ah
[11:05am] MichaelGulitz: The documents on starting development could be enhanced by a
complete tutorial of developing a tiny plugin.
[11:06am] PeterJones: Yes I saw your email but forgot about the time change
[11:07am] PeterThoeny: pete, in two weeks europe switches to summer time, then it will be
same local time again
[11:08am] PeterThoeny: michael: we have the emptyplugin that should serve that purpose
[11:08am] PeterThoeny: but i like your idea of a tiny hello world plugin example
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[11:09am] MichaelGulitz: The empty plugin is fine so far. That brings me to question what
tool are you using for perl development?
[11:09am]  plj joined the chat room.
[11:10am] plj:I got cut off
[11:10am] PeterThoeny: simply vi
[11:10am] JuhoSaarinen: vi/vim
[11:11am] PeterThoeny: michael, i think a blog post on how to create a tiny plugin would
be nice
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[11:12am] MichaelGulitz: I'll try to write a summary - good practice for me
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: sounds perfect
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: time check: +12 min
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: i have to leave
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: good discussions
[11:12am] MichaelGulitz: I also have to leave no it's quite late here in Germany...
[11:13am] PeterThoeny: thanks all for participating!
[11:13am] MichaelGulitz: bye
[11:13am] PeterThoeny: i'll post the log and update the minutes
[11:13am] PeterThoeny: ttyl
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