Date: February 28, 2011 11:16:50 AM PST
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2011x02x28.txt

[09:47am]  PeterThoeny rejoined the room.
[09:49am] GeorgeTrubisky: good morning Peter
[10:00am] PeterThoeny: good morning george!
[10:03am] PeterThoeny: are you subscribed to twiki-security mailing list?
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: oh...security.  Perhaps not
[10:04am] PeterThoeny: you probably are to twiki-dev
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: should I be?
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: i recommend you do
[10:05am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiSecurityMailingList
[10:05am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:07am] GeorgeTrubisky: I had hoped to suprise you by having Item5384: Allow Delete of Duplicate Attachments 
finished, but I don't have permissions to svn yet
[10:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: its been fun to work on.  I've learned alot about TWiki internals!
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: good!
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: i will ping sopan again on svn access
[10:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: thx
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: i will give you root access to twiki.org and develop.twiki.org so that you can 
troubleshoot svn access if needed/if you wish
[10:11am] GeorgeTrubisky: well, perhaps going forward.  I would just like to have the "developer" experience 
for now
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: let me check right now
[10:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: I saw some chatter after I had to leave the last meeting about a plug in for 
generating UML diagrams for internals...Would like to get more info on this
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: hmm, trying to find out where access control is done in svn server
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: umlplugin is at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/TWikiUmlPlugin
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: you can try out at http://carlosmanzanares.com/twiki/bin/view.pl/Sandbox/WebHome
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: it does not work on ff on mac, but on safari it does
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, i'll check this out.  My interest is from a "new developer" view
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: let me check more on svn access...
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: i think the uml plugin is done purely with dynamic html
[10:18am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, good to know about ff limitation
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: no adobe flash
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: ok, found it
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: i added your wikiname
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: not sure if i need to restart apache for that
[10:26am] PeterThoeny: can you try?
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: for record, access control is done in /home/svn/httpaccess.conf
[10:27am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:28am] GeorgeTrubisky: uh....would rather wait until tonight.  I'm behind my employer's firewall right now....
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: can you try a checkin if you have one ready?
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: ah, ok
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: let me know in case it does not work
[10:29am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok.  Just to confirm, my TWiki name was NOT set up for access yet, correct?
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: it seems nobody else is joining today
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: let's do a short meeting today
[10:30am] GeorgeTrubisky: well, I have till 11 pst....up to you
[10:31am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'll stay
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: i also have another meeting at 11am
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: let's review last meeting's items
[10:31am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2011x02x14
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: ParameterizedVariables - feature finished last year, docs pending
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: i pinged chris
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: he said that he is busy with new job
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: i will do the doc
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: ReadOnlySkinMode - usability enhancement
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: i have done that on our new hosting solution
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: i will port it into patternskin and topmenuskin of istanbul release in a clean way
[10:33am] GeorgeTrubisky: cool
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: SummaryBasedOnSearchTerms - no news from steve mokris
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: OpenIdRpContrib - ian kluft is working on twiki-5.0 compatibility and new user data 
ui/api
[10:34am] PeterThoeny: CombineJumpBoxAndSearchBox - i have not yet found time to work on this
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion - peter jones looking into this
[10:35am] PeterThoeny: DiffAttachments -peter jones looking into this
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: current proposals listed at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: MoveToJQuery - i did some work over weekend
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: first step is to update jqueryplugin to latest version
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: i did that for jquery-1.5.1 and jquery-ui-1.8.10
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: doc update is pending of JQueryPlugin
[10:38am] GeorgeTrubisky: so what about the "empty trash" that was discussed last meeting?
[10:38am] GeorgeTrubisky: is this part of Istanbul release?
[10:39am] PeterThoeny: yes, should be
[10:39am] PeterThoeny: paul reiber gave feedback
[10:39am] GeorgeTrubisky: so is he the developer or are you still looking for one?
[10:39am] PeterThoeny: looking for one
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: well, paul stated, "i'd be happy to implement it"
[10:40am] GeorgeTrubisky: well, now that I've got the trash attachment (almost) done, perhaps this would 
be a good next one for me?  Same area...
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: yes, please take it
[10:41am] GeorgeTrubisky: so before I commit, in summary, what is this about?
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: yes, same area
[10:41am] GeorgeTrubisky: how big is it do you think?
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: depends on the spec
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: ideal spec for usability:
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: - trash's webhome has an [empty trash] button
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: - which leads to a WebEmptyTrash page
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: - page lists all topics with summary and checkbox each
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: at top and bottom are check all / clear all checkboxes
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: - checkboxes are checked by default
[10:44am] GeorgeTrubisky: so for removing topics as well as attachments?
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: - a few system pages starting with Web* are shown grayed out and unchecked (disabled), 
e.g. can't be deleted
[10:44am] PeterThoeny: - [delete selected topics] button at top and bottom
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: we could simplify the spec for initial version
[10:45am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: what do you think of spec?
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: actually we have a lot of the gui already in a plugin
[10:46am] GeorgeTrubisky: well, sounds big, but I'm looking for what next to work on.
[10:46am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'll look into it.  Open for suggestions.  Think of a NEW developer....
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: see http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/GlobalReplacePlugin
[10:47am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, I'll look into it, but not ready to commit to it as of yet.
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: thanks george
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: install and try the globalreplaceplugin
[10:48am] GeorgeTrubisky: will do
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: it has gui you could copy for empty trash feature
[10:48am] GeorgeTrubisky: ic
[10:48am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, having a gui framework would help!
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: let me add spec proposal i typed here into proposal topic
[10:49am] PeterThoeny: (after meeting)
[10:49am] GeorgeTrubisky: sure.  Thanks
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: last week i created a new add-on: ModalBoxAddOn
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: already in svn, but not posted yet on twiki.org
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: doc at http://svn.twiki.org/svn/twiki/trunk/ModalBoxAddOn/data/TWiki/ModalBoxAddOn.txt
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: screenshot at 
http://svn.twiki.org/svn/twiki/trunk/ModalBoxAddOn/pub/TWiki/ModalBoxAddOn/screenshot.png
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: useful to show wizards and intro help pages
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: i have to change it though
[10:53am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: i base it on code i found that is too restrictive
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: i plan to switch over to jquery
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: which is gpl
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: so last weekend's jquery work was aimed at this
[10:54am] GeorgeTrubisky: ic
[10:54am] GeorgeTrubisky: time check:  got 5 minutes
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: that is all on feature review
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: let's skip bug review
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: expect if you have something bug related
[10:56am] GeorgeTrubisky: well, ok.  Just to say I've got Item5384: Allow Delete of Duplicate Attachments 
just about done.  That is what I want to commit in SVN
[10:56am] GeorgeTrubisky: I've run all the unit test locally against it
[10:56am] GeorgeTrubisky: but will validate on the bug system
[10:56am] GeorgeTrubisky: after the checkin
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: cool!
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: that was:
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: now for:
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[10:58am] PeterThoeny: anything?
[10:58am] GeorgeTrubisky: no, not from me.
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: i continued to update some plugins for 5.0 compatibility
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: lot's of checkin spam from me on twiki-dev mailing list
[10:59am] GeorgeTrubisky: checkin spam?
[11:00am] GeorgeTrubisky: oh, yes today my mailbox had alot of that
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: each svn commit causes an e-mail for [twiki-dev]
[11:00am] PeterThoeny: btw, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDotOrgVisitorMap looks pretty cool now
[11:00am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes.  Ok.  Got a hard stop.  Thanks as always for the helps Peter.
[11:01am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'll try the checkin tonight...
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: nice talking with you george
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: ttyl!
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: i'll post the logs and minutes