Date: January 3, 2011 11:40:29 AM PST
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2010x12x20.txt

[10:00am]  GeorgeTrubisky joined the chat room.
[10:01am] peterthoeny: hi george
[10:01am] peterthoeny: happy new year?
[10:01am] peterthoeny: did you have a nice party with your family & friends?
[10:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: We played poker with some friends (nickle, dime quarter).  Yes, it was fun
[10:02am] peterthoeny: the "happy new year" was supposed to be affirmative with a bang
[10:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: lol
[10:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: how about you?
[10:02am] peterthoeny: we had a party at home with a 3 other families
[10:03am] peterthoeny: and a few other dinners with friends in the last few days
[10:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: great
[10:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: after the meeting, if you had 10 minutes you could give me, I have a
few questions on testing a release
[10:04am] peterthoeny: craig tobias should join us too with one or two co-workers for the release
meeting
[10:04am] peterthoeny: ok, sure
[10:05am] peterthoeny: craig is the cto of a consulting company called wiikno; they do twiki and
other consulting
[10:05am] GeorgeTrubisky: cto?
[10:08am] peterthoeny: chief technology officer
[10:09am]  CraigTobias joined the chat room.
[10:09am] peterthoeny: hi craig!
[10:09am] peterthoeny: happy new year!
[10:12am] peterthoeny: craig, around?
[10:12am] CraigTobias: Hello
[10:12am] peterthoeny: time check: +12 min
[10:12am] CraigTobias: still finding my way around this tool
[10:13am] peterthoeny: we are only 3 today
[10:13am] peterthoeny: ah, not so used to irc?
[10:13am] CraigTobias: nope
[10:13am] peterthoeny: i find it an archaic tool
[10:13am] peterthoeny: useful with quirks
[10:14am] peterthoeny: for example why are there netsplits, kicks etc? in contrast, skype chat just
works
[10:14am] peterthoeny: welcome craig at the release meeting
[10:14am] peterthoeny: since you are new lets quickly introduce each other
[10:14am] CraigTobias: thank you.  Good to be here
[10:15am] peterthoeny: anybody else joining from your team craig?
[10:15am] CraigTobias: no not today
[10:15am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:15am] CraigTobias: they will next time
[10:15am] peterthoeny: good
[10:15am] peterthoeny: george and craig, please meet each other
[10:16am] CraigTobias: George, nice to meet you
[10:16am] peterthoeny: george is learning twiki internals, he will do release management for twiki
[10:16am] peterthoeny: i know craig for a number of years
[10:16am] GeorgeTrubisky: Hi Craig.  I'm part of the twiki community.  Yes, working toward the
release manager role
[10:16am] peterthoeny: he was deploying twiki at cisco, then cofounded wiikno
[10:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: I've just been reviewing your website faq Craig
[10:17am] CraigTobias: great
[10:18am] peterthoeny: proposed agenda:
[10:18am] peterthoeny: #  1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:18am] peterthoeny: # 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:18am] peterthoeny: # 3. Miscellaneous
[10:18am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2010x12x20
[10:18am] peterthoeny: sorry, that was old link
[10:18am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2011x01x03 is the
correct one
[10:19am] peterthoeny: any other agenda item?
[10:19am] peterthoeny: you'd like to discuss?
[10:19am] GeorgeTrubisky: I'm good
[10:19am] peterthoeny: ---++ 1. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:19am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:20am] peterthoeny: let's review the items we covered last time:
[10:20am] peterthoeny: MoveToJQuery: This is a cleanup work; plan to get rid of behaviour js lib: pending
[10:20am] peterthoeny: MakeUserModifiedTemplatesMoreUpgradeResilient: Proposed by Thomas Weigert: pending
[10:20am] peterthoeny: SummaryBasedOnSearchTerms: Steve Mokris is working on this
[10:21am] peterthoeny: DontHideNonHiddenAttachments: PTh (Peter Thoeny) will implement this - done
last week
[10:21am] peterthoeny: ParameterizedVariables: Implemented, doc is pending. PTh to ping Chris Lahti -
pending; i pinged chris
[10:21am] peterthoeny: CombineJumpBoxAndSearchBox: PTh to work on this
[10:21am] peterthoeny: AddEncodeParameterToFORMFIELD: PTh proposed last week; will implement - done
last week
[10:22am] peterthoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion: Peter Jones to work on this - pending
[10:22am] peterthoeny: peter jones sent me a note that he is in the alps in vacation
[10:22am] peterthoeny: btw, peter jones runs a large twiki at cern
[10:22am] peterthoeny: in geneva
[10:23am] peterthoeny: AddColorPickerPluginToCoreDistribution: PTh added this a while ago, it is in
core now. PTh will add the color picker in the create web form at ManagingWebs - done last week
[10:24am] GeorgeTrubisky: is their a topic specific to "merge to core"...some set of
instructions/guidelines for developers?
[10:25am] peterthoeny: the main doc is http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SoYouWantToBeATWikiDeveloper
[10:25am] peterthoeny: there are a few moe
[10:26am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DeveloperResponsibilities
[10:26am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess
[10:27am] peterthoeny: is that what you are looking for?
[10:27am] GeorgeTrubisky: just wanted to know if there was a specific topic like
HowToStartExtensionDevelopmentInSubversion
[10:28am]  j_wright joined the chat room.
[10:28am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, thanks
[10:28am] peterthoeny: hi j_wright, welcome to the twiki release meeting
[10:28am] GeorgeTrubisky: I've review the topics you mentioned peter, thanks
[10:28am] peterthoeny: we are currently reviewing features for istanbul release
[10:28am] peterthoeny: and discuss dev process
[10:29am] peterthoeny: there are a couple parts to extension dev
[10:30am] peterthoeny: sopan should have given you commit access to subversion a while ago
[10:30am] peterthoeny: george, any specific question on extension dev?
[10:30am] GeorgeTrubisky: haven't received any notification, but not needed yet.  I'll follow up
with sopan
[10:31am] GeorgeTrubisky: no, like I mentioned, after the meeting, have some questions about
expected results for some of the unit and automated tests
[10:31am] peterthoeny: oh, the last time i talked to sopan he said that he gave you access
[10:31am] GeorgeTrubisky: great
[10:31am] peterthoeny: seems like he did not send you an e-mail
[10:31am] peterthoeny: i'll ping him
[10:32am] peterthoeny: back to feature proposals
[10:32am] peterthoeny: see list for istanbul:
[10:32am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#Feature_Proposal_Summary_of_Work
[10:33am] peterthoeny: the list i gave before was from that table
[10:34am] peterthoeny: as a developer you can grab any feature that has no committed developer
[10:35am] peterthoeny: for example, a web based EmptyTrash would be a useful feature to have
[10:36am] peterthoeny: it is UnderInvestigation stage and needs a committed developer
[10:36am] peterthoeny: spec should be easy (seems not solidified yet)
[10:37am] peterthoeny: i imagine a simple button that leads to a confirm screen
[10:37am] peterthoeny: only executable by member of the twikiadmingroup
[10:38am] peterthoeny: in the feature proposal table, any item you'd like to discuss?
[10:38am] peterthoeny: j_wright: could you please introduce yourself?
[10:39am] GeorgeTrubisky: under improved build process....space requirements and band usage don't
seem much.  wonder is this is really an issue?
[10:41am] GeorgeTrubisky: is there a designated build environment for new releases, or is that up to
the release manager?
[10:41am] peterthoeny: i also don't think that space issue and bandwidth is an issue
[10:42am] peterthoeny: so far all developers set up their own twikis based on svn trunk and latest
branch
[10:42am] peterthoeny: deverlopers can build a release from branch and trunk
[10:42am] peterthoeny: for testing
[10:43am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes.  Ok.  Well, I'll add some comments to this issue.  Sopan can respond
if he wants. Maybe close it for next time.
[10:43am] peterthoeny: the release manager is uploading build to twiki.org
[10:44am] peterthoeny: the issue sopan had that he was on an internet connection in india where he
was paying based on traffic
[10:44am] peterthoeny: in the usa we are on flat rate so this is not an issue
[10:45am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, well, if he is not going to be involved with next release, perhaps it
can be closed.  Again, I'll add some comments.
[10:45am] peterthoeny: time check: +45 min
[10:45am] peterthoeny: sounds good
[10:46am] peterthoeny: any other feature proposal to cover?
[10:46am] GeorgeTrubisky: none from me
[10:46am] peterthoeny: ---++ 2. Review Urgent and Not So Urgent Bugs
[10:46am] peterthoeny: lets just get an overview on bugs and process
[10:47am] peterthoeny: we usually review the urgent bugs, e.g. release blockers
[10:47am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:47am] peterthoeny: twiki-5.0.0 and twiki-5.0.1 are rock solid
[10:48am] peterthoeny: we have a few items that are wysiwyg and i18n related
[10:48am] peterthoeny: the former one is important for usability
[10:48am] peterthoeny: the later one for asian markets
[10:49am] peterthoeny: they need to be fixed, but are survivable bugs imho
[10:50am] peterthoeny: other bugs are accessible in the "By Status" pulldown menu based on status
[10:51am] peterthoeny: for example, confirmed bugs are at
[10:51am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ItemsByState?state=Confirmed
[10:51am] CraigTobias: Have to drop off for a 1:00 pm cst meeting.  Still have to travel there.
[10:51am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:52am] peterthoeny: a good way to learn twiki code and dev process is to fix a bug or two
[10:53am] peterthoeny: i invite you to fix a bug or two; ask me questions as they come along
[10:53am] peterthoeny: that is all i have on bugs
[10:53am] peterthoeny: any feedback before we move on?
[10:53am] GeorgeTrubisky: none from me, thanks
[10:54am] peterthoeny: ---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[10:54am] peterthoeny: any item?
[10:54am] GeorgeTrubisky: assume you got my feedback on the new home page you asked for peter
[10:54am] peterthoeny: ah, yes
[10:55am] peterthoeny: thank you
[10:55am] peterthoeny: let me reply soon
[10:55am] GeorgeTrubisky: for what it's worth.  Hope it proves useful
[10:55am] peterthoeny: btw, we get overall good feedback on homepage redesign
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[10:56am] GeorgeTrubisky: good
[10:56am] peterthoeny: one critical one last week: feedback that we stereotype women
[10:56am] peterthoeny: women as the non tech person
[10:57am] peterthoeny: ah, a note on release timing
[10:58am] peterthoeny: we have yearly production releases
[10:58am] GeorgeTrubisky: when is the next one scheduled?
[10:58am] peterthoeny: so 5.1 is expected in march/april timeframe
[10:58am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[10:59am] peterthoeny: if there is a need we will do a 5.0.2, but amy be not needed
[10:59am] peterthoeny: "may be"
[10:59am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok
[11:00am] peterthoeny: any other items to discuss?
[11:00am] peterthoeny: (besides george's questions)
[11:00am] peterthoeny: time check: +60 min
[11:00am] GeorgeTrubisky:
[11:02am] GeorgeTrubisky: Ready Peter?
[11:02am] peterthoeny: ok, so let's close the meeting part
[11:03am] peterthoeny: yes, i am ready
[11:03am] GeorgeTrubisky: So I've been running the documented unit, automated and manual test and
test cases against the 5.0.1 branch
[11:03am] •peterthoeny wonders what j_wright might contribute
[11:04am] peterthoeny: and let me guess, you discovered some issues
[11:04am] peterthoeny: we have some known issues with some tests
[11:04am] GeorgeTrubisky: by far most have passed.  I have a few failures.  I assume they because
something missing in my environment, but wanted to ask the question
[11:05am] GeorgeTrubisky: Are ALL documented unit test expected to pass against the current 5.0.1
branch?
[11:05am] GeorgeTrubisky: Some question for automated test cases...Are ALL expected to pass?
[11:06am] GeorgeTrubisky: sorry...Same question..
[11:06am] peterthoeny: no, there are some bugs in unit tests, e.g. tests that need to be fixed
[11:07am] GeorgeTrubisky: In particular, the test cases involving InternalTags fail for me
[11:07am] GeorgeTrubisky: SemiAutomaticTestCaseTest::test_TestCaseAutoInternalTags
[11:08am] peterthoeny: also, not all of the TestCases web's browser based tests fail due to test issues
[11:08am] peterthoeny: i do not know of the SemiAutomaticTestCaseTest, i'd need to test myself
[11:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, but there are some known issue.  Good to know.  Would Sopan have more info?
[11:09am] peterthoeny: yes
[11:09am] peterthoeny: best to get in touch with sopan
[11:09am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, I'll follow up with him.  Thanks
[11:10am] GeorgeTrubisky: email I suppose.  Maybe I can work with him to fix
[11:11am] GeorgeTrubisky: the unit test failure is for InternalTags is the one that is most troubling.
[11:11am] peterthoeny: e-mail is fine; try to catch him on skype chat as well
[11:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok.  haven't tried skype before.  He has an address of some kind for skype
you could give me?
[11:12am] GeorgeTrubisky: or on his profile?  Let me look
[11:13am] GeorgeTrubisky: yes, I got it
[11:13am] GeorgeTrubisky: Skype me any time at sopan_shewale
[11:13am] peterthoeny: sopan_shewale
[11:13am] peterthoeny: yes
[11:13am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, that was it for me.  Thanks
[11:13am] peterthoeny: he is offline right now
[11:14am] GeorgeTrubisky: well, one more quick one....
[11:14am] peterthoeny: skype is very useful
[11:14am] peterthoeny: sure
[11:15am] GeorgeTrubisky: so in general, branch is used for all fixes ongoing for current release.
Should everything checked into the branch "pass" the unit and automated tests?
[11:16am] peterthoeny: that is the intent
[11:16am] peterthoeny: to fix bugs in branch as well as trunk
[11:16am] peterthoeny: tests should pass in trunk, but we have a few known issues with tests
[11:17am] peterthoeny: may be good to fix those tests first
[11:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: got it, ok.  Right now my focus is on the branch and my test environment.
[11:17am] GeorgeTrubisky: ok, I'm done.  Thanks for the helps
[11:19am] GeorgeTrubisky: talk with you later Peter
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