Date: June 7, 2010 11:16:38 AM PDT
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2010x06x07.txt

[10:00am]  peterthoeny joined the char room.
[10:01am]  netbook joined the chat room.
[10:02am]  SopanShewale joined the chat room.
[10:03am] SopanShewale: Good Morning
[10:04am] peterthoeny: hi sopan
[10:04am] peterthoeny: welcome netbook
[10:04am] peterthoeny: netbook:  could you please introduce yourself
[10:05am] netbook: Hello, I administrate the twiki page for my department at University
[10:05am] netbook: I wanted to observe, I guess I don't really need to be here
[10:05am] peterthoeny: no, please join
[10:06am] peterthoeny: you can learn how we run the meetings and if you are interested you can join
us next time
[10:06am] peterthoeny: meeting agenda at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2010x06x07
[10:06am] netbook: Alright sounds good
[10:06am] SopanShewale: hi netbook... you can be observer if you wish - but most welcome to share
your experience about TWiki, most welcome to partitipat
[10:06am] SopanShewale: e
[10:06am] peterthoeny: # 1. TWiki Istanbul Release Focus
[10:06am] peterthoeny: # 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:06am] peterthoeny: # 3. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:06am] peterthoeny: # 4. Miscellaneous
[10:06am] peterthoeny: is the proposed agenda
[10:07am] peterthoeny: netbook:  what is your twiki.org wikiname?
[10:07am] netbook: Yikes, I don't know, I made a few
[10:07am] netbook: I'll make a new one.
[10:08am] peterthoeny: what is your real name if i may ask?
[10:08am] peterthoeny: before we start with meeting agenda a small comment
[10:08am] peterthoeny: overall we got good feedback on new release and new twiki.org look
[10:09am] peterthoeny: over weekend i got feedback that twiki.org homepage looks distorted on ie7
[10:09am] peterthoeny: i will look into this tonight
[10:10am] SopanShewale: hmm....
[10:10am] peterthoeny: kind of hard to debug on a mac
[10:10am] SopanShewale: good to know good feedback
[10:10am] SopanShewale: yes... switch to linux
[10:10am] peterthoeny:
[10:11am] peterthoeny: netbook:  what university do you work for?
[10:12am] netbook: university of minnesota
[10:12am] peterthoeny: cold in winter!
[10:12am] netbook: https://wiki.umn.edu/view/Main
[10:12am] netbook: Heh it is indeed
[10:12am] peterthoeny: i used to work in northern part of wisconsin many years back
[10:13am] peterthoeny: too cold for me
[10:13am] peterthoeny: now in silicon valley
[10:13am] netbook: I am not the umn wiki administor by the way, I just handle my departments page
[10:13am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:13am] netbook: yes, California would be very nice in December
[10:14am] peterthoeny: let's start w meeting
[10:14am] peterthoeny: ---++ 1. TWiki Istanbul Release Focus
[10:14am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:14am] peterthoeny: our mission stats the overall goal, http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiMission
[10:15am] peterthoeny: the istanbul release meeting page at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulRelease
includes the roadmap
[10:15am] peterthoeny: roadmap is long term
[10:16am] peterthoeny: lets discuss where want to focus on istanbul
[10:17am] SopanShewale: so any change in the TWikiMission peter?
[10:17am] peterthoeny: i don;t think so
[10:17am] SopanShewale: not editted since long long time
[10:17am] peterthoeny: mission is long term and should not change drastically
[10:18am] peterthoeny: the thousands of downloaders a month we have are well served with our mission
[10:18am] SopanShewale: on think we our focus for the next releases should be [1]improve usability -
improve the user experience by improving items like
[10:18am] peterthoeny: now with a company driving the commercial adoption and supporting the open
source twiki community we have a clear drive
[10:18am] peterthoeny: and uptake in contributions
[10:18am] SopanShewale: WYSIWYG, give more freedom to use other Javascript libraries apart from tinyMCE
[10:19am] SopanShewale: [2]. Improve on performance
[10:20am] peterthoeny: yes, focusing on performance is important
[10:20am] peterthoeny: may be beter to look at roadmap
[10:20am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiRoadMap
[10:21am] SopanShewale: ah.. ok those items are included
[10:21am] peterthoeny: yes
[10:21am] peterthoeny: my personal take on istanbul focus is:
[10:22am] peterthoeny: 1. continue on usability enhancements (this is the key differentiator to
related projects, we alrady did good progress in helsinki release)
[10:23am] peterthoeny: 2. better out of box experience, making it easier for non-sysadmins to
install/update twiki
[10:24am] peterthoeny: 3. performance & scalability (database backend)
[10:24am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:25am] peterthoeny: part of 1 is better web based admin functionality (user, group, web, topic admin)
[10:25am] SopanShewale: performance is most important .
[10:25am] peterthoeny: netbook:  what is your name if i may ask? (we like to list participants in
meeting minutes)
[10:26am] peterthoeny: also part of 1 is wysiwyg improvements
[10:27am] peterthoeny: imho our wysiwyg editor still needs a lot of improvement to be attractive for
non-technical users
[10:27am] netbook: I created DanielM on the Twiki User. I am a student at the U of MN.
[10:27am] peterthoeny: hi daniel
[10:27am] peterthoeny: now we know your first name
[10:28am] netbook: Yup.
[10:28am] peterthoeny: on twiki.org we actually prefer real first name and last name
[10:29am] netbook: I might meet that preference in the future
[10:29am] peterthoeny: this gives our community a personal touch
[10:30am] netbook: I have disabled WYSIWIG on my pages at the moment, one of my site variables starts
with  %CE
[10:30am] peterthoeny: i also prefer to use tml over wysiwyg
[10:30am] netbook: When I edit a page with the WYSIWIG it automatically converts that to a special character
[10:30am] netbook: which breaks my links
[10:31am] peterthoeny: because i am used to tml and can type much faster in tml than mousing around in
wysiwyg
[10:31am] netbook: That is my experience as a person not proficient with Twiki
[10:31am] peterthoeny: daniel, you can use <sticky>.....</sticky> in wysiwyg, it will leave content alone
[10:32am] peterthoeny: sopan, back to release focus
[10:33am] peterthoeny: good as suggested? add/remove items?
[10:33am] SopanShewale: i think we have good understanding on the future focus of TWiki
[10:34am] SopanShewale: at least for the next release, we have so many items on our plate
[10:35am] peterthoeny: brb
[10:35am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:36am] SopanShewale: danial - any other interest you have around Perl, TWiki?
[10:38am] netbook: I am learning Perl as part of managing Twiki
[10:38am] SopanShewale: ah.. good..
[10:39am] SopanShewale: are you planning to develop any plugin or you responsible just to manage Content
[10:39am] netbook: I am maintaining a Twiki page for my department, a place they can find common
questions about our IT situation
[10:39am] SopanShewale: managing content on TWiki also involves learning many macros and TML from TWiki
[10:39am] peterthoeny: ...back (sorry juggling between two calls)
[10:39am] SopanShewale: no issues
[10:40am] netbook: Yes, I am learning the syntax as I go along
[10:40am] peterthoeny: next item
[10:40am] peterthoeny: ---++ 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:41am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:42am] peterthoeny: we have one feature listed in "7-day feedback period"
[10:42am] peterthoeny: RollbackAttachmentVersion
[10:42am] SopanShewale: i wanted to submit proposals to [1] upgrade JQuery to latest library and [2]
upgrade tinyMCE to latest library
[10:42am] peterthoeny: both good ones!
[10:43am] peterthoeny: peter jones owns RollbackAttachmentVersion
[10:43am] SopanShewale: ok.. i will do them tomorrow.. jquery will be reasonable amount of work
[10:43am] SopanShewale: ah.. ok
[10:44am] SopanShewale: Peter Jones.. i think he said is busy with some work.. he may join in future
meetings
[10:45am] peterthoeny: based by time passed and no concerns raised we can switch the status to accepted
[10:46am] peterthoeny: over the weekend i implemented "Add angle brackets (< and >) to format tokens"
which was in accepted stage
[10:46am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:46am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddAngleBracketsToFormatTokens
[10:47am] peterthoeny: was proposed by thomas weigert but not implemented
[10:48am] peterthoeny: we have many accepted features waiting to be implemented
[10:48am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#Accepted_proposals_waiting_to_be
[10:48am] SopanShewale: that looks good.. i think you checked the code for that
[10:48am] peterthoeny: plenty of opportunity for checkin activities
[10:49am] peterthoeny: for the next few weeks i will continue on doc improvements
[10:49am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:49am] peterthoeny: any other item on features?
[10:50am] SopanShewale: we need to improve "configure"
[10:51am] SopanShewale: big scope to improve the look/feel and  usability - may be i can continue with
the old proposal topic to add suggestions
[10:51am] peterthoeny: yes
[10:52am] peterthoeny: i created a new bug item to track configure enhancements
[10:52am] peterthoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:52am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:52am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:52am] peterthoeny: we are in good shape
[10:52am] peterthoeny: looks like 5.0.0 is a stable release
[10:53am] peterthoeny: thanks sopan for testing and improving unit tests
[10:53am] SopanShewale: sure
[10:53am] peterthoeny: oh, Item6423 "Built TWiki Release 5.0.0" is still open
[10:54am] SopanShewale: yes.. i will close that
[10:54am] SopanShewale: the last item was performed about checking of history files in tags
[10:54am] peterthoeny: any bug item to discuss?
[10:54am] SopanShewale: at this moment no...
[10:54am] peterthoeny: i fixed Item6463 InterwikiPlugin links not working if topic included from
different web, such as if used in TopMenuSkin menus
[10:55am] SopanShewale: yes.. saw large number checkins from you during weekend
[10:55am] peterthoeny: yes, was busy w twiki
[10:55am] SopanShewale: thats good for community
[10:55am] peterthoeny: and bbq with swiss club
[10:56am] peterthoeny: time check: +56 min
[10:56am] peterthoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[10:56am] peterthoeny: anything?
[10:57am] peterthoeny: i have one support item:
[10:57am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/SID-00860
[10:57am] peterthoeny: ldap issue on 5.0.0
[10:57am] SopanShewale: hmm... but that sounds like issue because of IO::Socket::SSL  module
[10:58am] SopanShewale: i think if any interaction over SSl is required..this module is required
[10:58am] peterthoeny: yes, if just missing module we are ok
[10:58am] SopanShewale: and its big pain - if user is using Ubuntu...
[10:58am] SopanShewale: it may be easy on CentOS
[10:58am] peterthoeny: it would be good to test ldapcontrib w 5.0.0
[10:58am] SopanShewale: pl
[10:58am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:59am] peterthoeny: anything else?
[10:59am] peterthoeny: netbook:  please let me know your last name, i can rename your twiki.org
account to your FirstnamelastName
[11:00am] SopanShewale: i think thats all from my side
[11:03am] peterthoeny: netbook:  is your twiki at Chemical Engineering & Material Science public?
[11:04am] peterthoeny: i will post the log and update the minutes
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