Date: May 25, 2010 11:17:11 AM PDT
Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2010x05x24.txt

[09:38am]  peterthoeny joined the chat room.
[10:08am]  SopanShewale joined the chat room.
[10:08am] PeterThoeny: hi sopan
[10:08am] SopanShewale: Hi Peter
[10:09am] PeterThoeny: this is our first istanbul meeting
[10:10am] SopanShewale: yup
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: not sure if someone else will join
[10:10am] PeterThoeny: it's +10 min
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: we can start i think
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2010x05x24
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: proposed agenda:
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 1. TWiki 5.0.0 Release Follow-up
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 3. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: # 4. Miscellaneous
[10:11am] SopanShewale: sure
[10:11am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 1. TWiki 5.0.0 Release Follow-up
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: as discussed yesterday over im, we will do a press release next tue
(in one week)
[10:12am] PeterThoeny: we also should prepare a blog post on twiki.org
[10:13am] SopanShewale: ok.. so we need to release 5.0.0 this week
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:13am] PeterThoeny: let's target thu or fri
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: this gives us time to hone 5.0
[10:14am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:14am] SopanShewale: started updating release notes
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: this is a major release, so many additional steps required besides
building the tarball
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ProductionReleaseChecklist lists
the items
[10:14am] PeterThoeny: if you focus on build i will focus on checklist
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: i will also create the IstanbulRelease page
[10:15am] PeterThoeny: on next meeting we should decide on release focus for istanbul
[10:16am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:16am] PeterThoeny: my personal take is to focus on usability (editing, navigation), good
out of box experience, and db-backend
[10:17am] SopanShewale: db-backend should be high priority
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:17am] SopanShewale: and Performance improvements
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:17am] PeterThoeny: on build, lets list pending items
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: 1. bugs review to create bug and feature list for rel notes
[10:18am] PeterThoeny: 2. twikihistory topic
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: what else?
[10:19am] SopanShewale: i started on release notes
[10:19am] PeterThoeny: 3. release notes topic
[10:19am] SopanShewale: update on AUTHORS if we have new developers i
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: i already did that
[10:20am] SopanShewale: i think thats all
[10:20am] PeterThoeny: searched all checkins for "thank you"and "thanks" in checkin comment
[10:21am] SopanShewale: ???
[10:21am] PeterThoeny: if someone provides a patch we usually attribute the person with a
thank you note in the checkin
[10:21am] SopanShewale: ah.. yes
[10:22am] SopanShewale: i think timothy provided some fix
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: i think it would be good to add one more plugin to the release
[10:22am] PeterThoeny: 4. add additional plugin
[10:22am] SopanShewale: ?
[10:22am] SopanShewale: the size of tar is increasing
[10:22am] SopanShewale: already its more than 6 MB
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: to raise the functionality of the platform
[10:23am] PeterThoeny: well, most plugins are tiny compared to core or wysiwyg editor
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: plugin should be a good fit for the twiki mission
[10:24am] SopanShewale: right... but still we need to take size into consideration while
adding any new plugin
[10:24am] PeterThoeny: tagmeplugin comes to mind
[10:25am] PeterThoeny: compressed is 100k
[10:26am] SopanShewale: i think we should have some policy... in future.. example - most
downloaded plugin shld become part of core etc
[10:27am] SopanShewale: any way... tagmeplugin is good candidate to go with TWiki - tag is
one of the best way to discover information from TWiki (search, navigation and now tag)
[10:27am] PeterThoeny: yes
[10:28am] PeterThoeny: to install in distribution we need to add to manifest, enable in
twiki.spec and twiki.twikipreferences
[10:28am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:29am] PeterThoeny: if not tagmeplugin, what other plugin is a good fit?
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: twikidrawplugin is a candidate
[10:30am] PeterThoeny: commentplugin is a candidate
[10:31am] PeterThoeny: autocompleteplugin is a candidate to strengthen twiki as an app
platform
[10:31am] SopanShewale: AttachmentList?
[10:32am]  KokoZ joined the chat room.
[10:32am] PeterThoeny: that could be a candidate as well
[10:33am] SopanShewale: need to verify the current status... i have not seen the code of it
since long time
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: but isn't that covered to some degree with the new query feature in
search format?
[10:33am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: hi KokoZ, welcome to the twiki release meeting
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: are you a twiki admin?
[10:33am] PeterThoeny: tell us about yourself
[10:34am] KokoZ: hi
[10:34am] KokoZ: that was question for me?
[10:34am] SopanShewale: Hi kohoz
[10:35am] KokoZ: well, I was interested what is going here in this "release" channel
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: we meet every other monday (today is exception) to coordinate twiki
releases and development
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: agenda is at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/IstanbulReleaseMeeting2010x05x24
[10:36am] PeterThoeny: we are at agenda item 1
[10:37am] PeterThoeny: yes, that was a question, please introduce yourself, such as how you
use twiki, dev experience, plans for twiki etc
[10:39am] KokoZ: ok  I thought I will be just reading the discussion, as I do not have
anything to share  with you or comment somehow
[10:39am] PeterThoeny: do you use twiki at work?
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: sopan, i meant calendarplugin, not commentplugin as candidate
[10:40am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:40am] KokoZ: I started TWiki in our company and that's also the reason why I joined #twiki
channel to be able to learn new things etc.
[10:40am] PeterThoeny: with calandarplugin better to wait until calendarplugin2 is merged 
into calendarplugin
[10:40am] KokoZ: and when I saw this #twiki_release, I simply tied it
[10:41am] KokoZ: *tried it
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: thanks for joining
[10:41am] KokoZ: you're welcome, I will not interrupt you in this meeting
[10:41am] PeterThoeny: do you have an account on twiki.org? e.g. your wikiname?
[10:42am] KokoZ: yes, I think it's MartinKohoutek
[10:42am] KokoZ: yes, it is
[10:42am] PeterThoeny: ah, you are from czechoslovakia
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: late there, isn't it
[10:43am] KokoZ: I didn't post or contribute there anyhow yet, as I would say I'm still new to
TWiki
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: do you know perl?
[10:43am] KokoZ: 7:45 and I'm still at work so it should not be late
[10:43am] KokoZ: yes, I know it
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: ah, not too bad
[10:43am] PeterThoeny: sopan is in india, very late
[10:44am] KokoZ: wow, should be around midnight, no?
[10:44am] SopanShewale: Martin 11:14 PM here in India
[10:44am] SopanShewale: yes.. it is
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: so, which plugin shall we take into 5.0?
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: i'd say tagme or twikidraw
[10:45am] SopanShewale: i think calendarplugin and attachmentlist are good candidate
[10:45am] PeterThoeny: favoring tagme
[10:45am] SopanShewale: tagme is best candidate to add
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: calendarplugin is ugly look, calendarplugin2 is much nicer
[10:46am] SopanShewale: but on tagme - i think we should work on tagme skin  - so that it
looks integrated part of TopMenuSkin
[10:46am] PeterThoeny: i think we should take calendarplugin into release once it has a nice
look
[10:46am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:47am] PeterThoeny: where on the page would you put the tag info?
[10:48am] SopanShewale: some how "Tags:".... this line use more space and does not integrate
well with topmenuskin
[10:48am] PeterThoeny: same issue with patternskin
[10:49am] SopanShewale: may be - something like "Edit, Attach" buttons
[10:50am] PeterThoeny: you mean each tag is a button?
[10:50am] SopanShewale: Peter - i think let us add tagme as it is this time... in next release
we can improve
[10:50am] SopanShewale: no.. not as  button
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: yes, agreed
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: in next release we can also hide the pulldown in a twisty
[10:51am] PeterThoeny: ok, so lets add tagmeplugin
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: shall i do that?
[10:52am] SopanShewale: sure if you have bandwidth
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: i will
[10:52am] SopanShewale: if you want.. i can also add that
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: i think that is for 5.0
[10:52am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:52am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 2. Feature Requests for Istanbul Release
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: i think we should skip that
[10:53am] SopanShewale: Martin - if you have any comment or feed - please keep providing us
[10:53am] SopanShewale: we dont mind if you interrupt us
[10:53am] KokoZ:  ok
[10:53am] SopanShewale: yes Peter..
[10:53am] KokoZ: I agree with TagMe as we are using it here as well
[10:53am] PeterThoeny: yes, please provide us with feedback or any comments
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: martin, how many users do you have in twiki at work?
[10:54am] SopanShewale: good to know
[10:54am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 3. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: we are in good shape
[10:55am] KokoZ: about 200 now
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: some listed are done
[10:55am] SopanShewale: yes... i reviewed a few today
[10:55am] PeterThoeny: twiki tarball is waiting for release, yes?
[10:55am] SopanShewale: ??
[10:56am] KokoZ: looking at the list of bugs I see alsosome that were reported to me recently -
WYSIWYG - color lost, table attributes
[10:56am] PeterThoeny: item3379
[10:56am] SopanShewale: Item6324: Editing table 1 removes EDITCELL tag from the other table -
i was suppose to look into this..
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: item3379 is waiting for release?
[10:57am] PeterThoeny: yes, if you have time, please look into item6324
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: Item6366%RED% - colors syntax lost while WYSYWYG editor used to save
the topics - also done?
[10:59am] SopanShewale: Peter, martin - on WYSYWYG is fixed
[10:59am] SopanShewale: we are waiting to release that in final release
[10:59am] PeterThoeny: sopan please fix the status
[10:59am] SopanShewale: thats no more an inssue in truk code
[10:59am] KokoZ: that's great
[11:00am] SopanShewale: on - item3379 - tar ball
[11:00am] SopanShewale: item3379 - this item will be fixed after release
[11:00am] SopanShewale: this time - i want to build the tar ball manually
[11:00am] SopanShewale: in the scripts, it will be fixed after release
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: i thought the .tgz has already a twiki dir?
[11:01am] SopanShewale: it does not affect the core functionality of the TWiki
[11:01am] PeterThoeny: didn't you fix that in rc3?
[11:01am] SopanShewale: yes.. its.. but i create that manually
[11:01am] SopanShewale: its manual work i do
[11:01am] SopanShewale: its not fixed in script
[11:02am] SopanShewale: The fix is more work.. need to fix in BuildContrib Addon
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: ah, in this case i suggest to set item3379 to waiting for release, and
to create a new item to automate .tgz build
[11:02am] SopanShewale: yes
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: that we we document in release notes the new tgz structure
[11:02am] PeterThoeny: not sure what to do about:
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: Item6467: Saving config gives error: Insecure dependency in open while
running with -T switch
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: options:
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: 1. do nothing for 5.0.0
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: 2. remove -T switch for configure
[11:03am] PeterThoeny: 3. fix configure
[11:04am] PeterThoeny: which one?
[11:04am] SopanShewale: 1 sec
[11:05am] PeterThoeny: time check: +65 min
[11:05am] SopanShewale: hmm.. i think i have seen this error and fixed on my code... may be i
lost the fix
[11:05am] SopanShewale: i will check this again
[11:06am] SopanShewale: in the worse case.. remove -T switch ([2] option)
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: agreed
[11:06am] PeterThoeny: thanks for checking
[11:07am] PeterThoeny: any other bug iems to discuss?
[11:07am] SopanShewale: nope
[11:08am] SopanShewale: i think thats all
[11:08am] PeterThoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[11:08am] SopanShewale: on bugs
[11:08am] PeterThoeny: anything?
[11:09am] SopanShewale: on misc.. so we have fixed Release date as Thursday PDT time
[11:09am] PeterThoeny: yes, let's do that as target
[11:09am] PeterThoeny: and fri would be fine too
[11:10am] SopanShewale: earlier is better
[11:10am] SopanShewale: i dont have any other items to discusss
[11:10am] PeterThoeny: i think we are done with release meeting
[11:10am] PeterThoeny: thanks sopan, thanks martin
[11:10am] PeterThoeny: martin, please feel free to stop by next time
[11:10am] SopanShewale: thanks Martin for joing the meeting
[11:11am] SopanShewale: thanks Peter
[11:11am] PeterThoeny: every second monday
[11:11am] KokoZ: I will definitely
[11:11am] KokoZ: and will be btter prepared
[11:11am] SopanShewale: sure..thats good idea
[11:11am] PeterThoeny: subscribe to [twiki-dev] mailing list to see announcements of meetings
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiDevMailingList
[11:12am] KokoZ: ok, I will
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: ttyl sopan and martin
[11:12am] SopanShewale: bye
[11:12am]  SopanShewale left the chat room.
[11:12am] KokoZ: bye
[11:12am] PeterThoeny: i'll post log and update minutes