Date: May 10, 2010 11:25:37 AM PDT
Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2010x05x10.txt

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[10:03am] SopanShewale: Good Morning Peter
[10:05am] peterthoeny: hi sopan
[10:06am] SopanShewale: hello
[10:06am] peterthoeny: let's wait for a bit
[10:06am] peterthoeny: to see if someone else joins
[10:06am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2010x05x10
[10:07am] peterthoeny: thank you for building rc2
[10:07am] peterthoeny: started to install in twiki.org
[10:07am] SopanShewale: ok.. btw - i fixed pattern skin action buttons
[10:07am] peterthoeny: remind me, what was the issue?
[10:09am] SopanShewale: action buttons
[10:09am] SopanShewale: at bottom
[10:09am] SopanShewale: the colour war red
[10:09am] SopanShewale: links
[10:11am] peterthoeny: ah, good!
[10:13am] peterthoeny: i just did an svn up
[10:13am] peterthoeny: blue color now, which is good
[10:14am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:14am] peterthoeny: but red underline for active key
[10:14am] peterthoeny: and inverse color of active key on hover
[10:14am] peterthoeny: some more fixes are needed
[10:14am] SopanShewale: yes.. i find it little odd.. but because its access key.. i avoided changing that
[10:14am] SopanShewale: i want to see what others are doing for such keys
[10:15am] peterthoeny: let me look into it if you want
[10:15am] SopanShewale: by others i mean - trac kind of wiki's
[10:15am] SopanShewale: sure.. you will do much better than me
[10:15am] peterthoeny: more important to be consistent
[10:16am] peterthoeny: imho than to look at other prj
[10:16am] peterthoeny: time check +16 min
[10:16am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:16am] peterthoeny: let's start
[10:16am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2010x05x10
[10:16am] peterthoeny: proposed agenda:
[10:16am] SopanShewale: sure
[10:17am] peterthoeny: # 1. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:17am] peterthoeny: # 2. Helsinki Release Post Mortem
[10:17am] peterthoeny: # 3. Code Name for Next Release
[10:17am] peterthoeny: # 4. Miscellaneous
[10:17am] peterthoeny: anything else?
[10:17am] SopanShewale: nope..thats all (we have two checkin requests.. but thats in misc)
[10:17am] peterthoeny: ok, let's discuss in misc
[10:17am] peterthoeny: ---++ 1. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:18am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:18am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item3379 - TWiki tarball violates unwritten packaging standard
[10:19am] peterthoeny: you own that
[10:19am] SopanShewale: ah.. i was suppose to comment on this and experiment...
[10:19am] SopanShewale: i will look into this my day time...
[10:19am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:19am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item5437 - UTF-8 fixes for TWiki 5.0
[10:19am] peterthoeny: that should be deferred
[10:19am] SopanShewale: yup
[10:19am] peterthoeny: may be we need a new state "urgent but deferred"
[10:20am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item5926 - Topics with Chinese in UTF8 destroys page view in Internet Explorer
[10:20am] peterthoeny: same here
[10:20am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item5955 - WysiwygPlugin failes to roundtrip tables that are created with 
align center
[10:20am] peterthoeny: same here
[10:20am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item6086 - TSA DENYTOPICVIEW causes crash (trunk only)
[10:20am] peterthoeny: what is the status on this?
[10:21am] SopanShewale: thats done.. its no more issue
[10:21am] SopanShewale: i have verified
[10:21am] SopanShewale: Item6324: Editing table 1 removes EDITCELL tag from the other table
[10:21am] SopanShewale: i will check this one
[10:22am] peterthoeny: thanks
[10:22am] SopanShewale: ah.. we have patch for this one
[10:22am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item6140 - Table attributes lost on save
[10:22am] SopanShewale: will check that a
[10:23am] peterthoeny: 6140 is wysiwyg related
[10:23am] peterthoeny: defer?
[10:23am] SopanShewale: ok.. thats should be no more bug..
[10:23am] SopanShewale: it must be same as - Item6366: %RED% - colors syntax lost while WYSYWYG editor used 
to save the topics
[10:23am] SopanShewale: i know these attributes are not lost now
[10:23am] peterthoeny: please check and set to waiting for release if ok
[10:23am] SopanShewale: i will verify - most probably its not a bug
[10:23am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:23am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:23am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item6328 - Unable to create new users when passwordManager is set to None and 
write access to Main web is restricted
[10:23am] peterthoeny: defer?
[10:24am] SopanShewale: yes.. defer
[10:24am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item6452 - Edit Table shows EDITTABLE variable after edit session
[10:24am] peterthoeny: that's a new one
[10:24am] peterthoeny: only in trunk
[10:24am] peterthoeny: i started to debug
[10:25am] peterthoeny: no difference if enabling patternskin only and disabling jqueryplugin
[10:25am] peterthoeny: so seems not related to latest system changes
[10:25am] peterthoeny: i think this is a release stopper
[10:25am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:26am] SopanShewale: i will check this day time.. please update whatever you discover
[10:26am] peterthoeny: do you want to look into this?should i?
[10:26am] peterthoeny: ok, thanks sopan
[10:26am] peterthoeny: TWikibug:Item6453 - Don't use red color in topic action, implies red-links
[10:26am] peterthoeny: let me take the remaining stuff on this one
[10:27am] peterthoeny: just noticed that hover bg color on footer is red, i will change that as well
[10:27am] peterthoeny: ok, i think we are done with urgent bug review
[10:28am] peterthoeny: i created new report page in bugs web
[10:28am] peterthoeny: linked from "by status" menu in bug tracker
[10:28am] peterthoeny: for example
[10:28am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ItemsByState?state=Being+Worked+On
[10:28am] peterthoeny: shows all "being worked on" items
[10:29am] peterthoeny: i started to review those items
[10:29am] peterthoeny: we need to close/fix/waiting for release on some of those items
[10:30am] peterthoeny: please help with cleanup activity as well
[10:30am] peterthoeny: anything else on bugs?
[10:30am] peterthoeny: looks like we are in pretty good shape
[10:31am] peterthoeny: oh, one bug i have not filed: on my svn trunk checkout i am not recognized as an 
admin even though i am in the twikiadmin group
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[10:37am] SopanShewale1: hello
[10:37am] peterthoeny: hi sopan
[10:38am] peterthoeny: i tried from java applet client (traveler is me)
[10:38am] SopanShewale1: finally  - in again.. now using pidgin
[10:38am] SopanShewale1: ah.. ok
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[10:38am] peterthoeny: but something is goofy with my browser now
[10:39am] peterthoeny: http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=twiki_release
[10:39am] peterthoeny: that works here
[10:39am] peterthoeny: ok, let me paste what you missed
[10:39am] SopanShewale1: Item6439: TOC and heading anchors not multi-byte aware (TWiki 5.0)
[10:39am] SopanShewale1: you want to make this show stopper
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  TWikibug:Item6453 - Don't use red color in topic action, implies 
red-links
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  let me take the remaining stuff on this one
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  just noticed that hover bg color on footer is red, i will change 
that as well
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  ok, i think we are done with urgent bug review
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  i created new report page in bugs web
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  linked from "by status" menu in bug tracker
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  for example
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  
http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ItemsByState?state=Being+Worked+On
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  shows all "being worked on" items
[10:40am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  i started to review those items
[10:41am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  we need to close/fix/waiting for release on some of those items
[10:41am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  please help with cleanup activity as well
[10:41am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  anything else on bugs?
[10:41am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  looks like we are in pretty good shape
[10:41am] peterthoeny: peterthoeny:  oh, one bug i have not filed: on my svn trunk checkout i am not 
recognized as an admin even though i am in the twikiadmin group
[10:41am] peterthoeny: (that is all you missed)
[10:41am] SopanShewale1: Item6439: TOC and heading anchors not multi-byte aware (TWiki 5.0)
[10:41am] SopanShewale1: yes
[10:42am] SopanShewale1: ok
[10:42am] peterthoeny: the patch that caused lots of install issues on 4.3 was not applied to trunk
[10:43am] SopanShewale1: ok.. i will put efforts to cleanup
[10:43am] peterthoeny: meaning, no related install issues in trunk, but also no multibyte awareness
[10:43am] SopanShewale1: ok
[10:43am] peterthoeny: i think we should defer this (or fix if time) but not show stopper
[10:44am] SopanShewale1: ok
[10:44am] peterthoeny: richard is only willing to help out if he gets paid
[10:44am] SopanShewale1: hmm....
[10:45am] SopanShewale1: i will start looking at this UTF-8 stuff
[10:45am] SopanShewale1: no choice than learning it
[10:46am] peterthoeny: let's continue w next item
[10:46am] peterthoeny: time check :+46 min
[10:46am] peterthoeny: ---++ 2. Helsinki Release Post Mortem
[10:46am] peterthoeny: what worked, what did not work well in helsinki release process?
[10:47am] SopanShewale1: yes.. and what went wrong ...
[10:47am] peterthoeny: i think reducing review period from 2 weeks to one week was good
[10:47am] SopanShewale1: ok
[10:47am] SopanShewale1: true
[10:48am] peterthoeny: good things: 5 fold increase on commits compared to early last year
[10:48am] peterthoeny: good thing: seems like stable release for a x.0.0
[10:49am] SopanShewale1: yes...
[10:49am] peterthoeny: needs improve: recruiting more opensource developers
[10:49am] peterthoeny: good thing is that we have an upward trend here as well
[10:50am] peterthoeny: needs improve: focus on unit tests
[10:50am] SopanShewale1: yes..
[10:50am] SopanShewale1: unit test is must
[10:50am] peterthoeny: agreed
[10:51am] SopanShewale1: brb
[10:51am] SopanShewale1: 2 mins
[10:51am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:52am] SopanShewale1: back
[10:56am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:57am] peterthoeny: on release process, any idea how to improve?
[10:57am] SopanShewale1: i think we should enable daily or weekly build process
[10:58am] SopanShewale1: and unit test.. alert only for failed test cases
[10:58am] peterthoeny: you mean automated tarballs?
[10:58am] SopanShewale1: yes..
[10:58am] peterthoeny: yes, that would be good
[10:59am] peterthoeny: name  them TWiki-5.0.0-beta20100510 or the like
[10:59am] SopanShewale1: yes
[11:00am] peterthoeny: time check: +60min
[11:00am] peterthoeny: lets continue
[11:00am] peterthoeny: ---++ 3. Code Name for Next Release
[11:00am] peterthoeny: proposed is istanbul release
[11:00am] SopanShewale1: thats the only choice?
[11:00am] peterthoeny: istanbul is actually not a capital, islamabad would be
[11:01am] peterthoeny: personally i favor istanbul
[11:01am] peterthoeny: a bit shorter, easier to pronounce and type
[11:01am] SopanShewale1: only city name..
[11:01am] SopanShewale1: i would go for India
[11:02am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CodeName
[11:02am] peterthoeny: click on "show" at the top
[11:03am] peterthoeny: yes, india would be a good name
[11:03am] peterthoeny: but we have not used country names for code names
[11:03am] SopanShewale1: i vote for "India"
[11:04am] peterthoeny: you have to wait for "n" (new delhi)
[11:05am] SopanShewale1:
[11:05am] peterthoeny: the one after 'I' is 'j'
[11:05am] peterthoeny: jakarta or jerusalem
[11:05am] peterthoeny: both are good
[11:05am] peterthoeny: i prefer jakarta
[11:05am] SopanShewale1: yes.. on i know one called "Indore"
[11:05am] SopanShewale1: its not capital city.. i am sure you that one
[11:06am] peterthoeny: a city?
[11:06am] SopanShewale1: yes.its a city
[11:06am] SopanShewale1: reasonably good
[11:06am] peterthoeny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indore
[11:06am] SopanShewale1: yes.. and companies like newput operate from Indore..
[11:07am] SopanShewale1: any way.. Jakarta is also good.. i like Jakarta one
[11:07am] SopanShewale1: if you do not want Indore.. Jakarta is good
[11:08am] peterthoeny: istanbul is the largest city in turkey
[11:08am] peterthoeny: not that capital (ankara is)
[11:09am] SopanShewale1: ok.. Istanbul is also a good name..
[11:09am] SopanShewale1: offcourse.. i know the name Peter
[11:09am] peterthoeny:
[11:09am] peterthoeny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul
[11:09am] SopanShewale1: do you want to put that voting.. i mean.. we are only two here.. may be .. 
let us give chance to others too
[11:10am] SopanShewale1: sorry.. not much choice for "I"
[11:10am] peterthoeny: if we vote it needs to be short
[11:10am] SopanShewale1: i am ok with Istanbul.. let us go for it
[11:10am] peterthoeny: next meeting in two weeks should use new codename
[11:11am] SopanShewale1: sure..
[11:11am] peterthoeny: so decision done in this release meeting, it is istanbul release
[11:11am] SopanShewale1: yes
[11:12am] peterthoeny: ---++ 4. Miscellaneous
[11:12am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AlexBerneggerWouldLikeToCheckIn
[11:12am] SopanShewale1: we have two checkin requests
[11:13am] SopanShewale1: i support both.. Alex and Asma
[11:13am] SopanShewale1: both staring with "A"
[11:13am] SopanShewale1:
[11:14am] peterthoeny: i added my supportive comment to alex
[11:14am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AsmaPathanWouldLikeToCheckIn
[11:14am] SopanShewale1: ok
[11:15am] peterthoeny: added supportive comment to asma
[11:15am] SopanShewale1: good.. i will give them access my day time
[11:16am] peterthoeny: nice!
[11:17am] peterthoeny: one more thing
[11:17am] peterthoeny: i'd like to start regular community updates on twiki.org blog
[11:17am] peterthoeny: i intend to introduce contributors
[11:18am] SopanShewale1: that will be good idea
[11:18am] peterthoeny: what do you think of covering a contributor in each update?
[11:18am] SopanShewale1: yes.. that is good idea
[11:18am] peterthoeny: i am thinking of photo, some questions & answers
[11:18am] SopanShewale1: yes
[11:19am] peterthoeny: i ask some basic questions, and community member answers
[11:19am] SopanShewale1: yes.. it will help community
[11:19am] peterthoeny: such as: what is your passion for twiki? where do you live? etc
[11:20am] SopanShewale1: and what do you want to see in TWiki? any new feature?
[11:20am] peterthoeny: do you want to be the guineapig for the first update?
[11:20am] SopanShewale1: why not
[11:20am] peterthoeny:
[11:21am] peterthoeny: ok, let me prepare and send you the questions (you can change/add questions)
[11:21am] SopanShewale1: sure
[11:21am] peterthoeny: ok, i am done w misc
[11:21am] peterthoeny: anything else?
[11:22am] SopanShewale1: thats all from my side too
[11:22am] SopanShewale1: thx
[11:22am] peterthoeny: ok
[11:22am] peterthoeny: i'll post the log and update the minutes
[11:23am] peterthoeny: thanks sopan!