Date: April 26, 2010 10:55:35 AM PDT
Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2010x04x26.txt

[09:57am]  peterthoeny joined the chat room.
[10:03am]  SopanShewale joined the chat room.
[10:03am] SopanShewale: Hi Peter
[10:03am] peterthoeny: hi sopan
[10:04am] SopanShewale: Hi Peter... good morning
[10:04am] SopanShewale: brb in 2-3 mins
[10:04am] peterthoeny: sure
[10:04am] peterthoeny: lets wait until +10min
[10:13am] SopanShewale: Hi Peter.. i am back
[10:13am] peterthoeny: ok, lets start
[10:13am] SopanShewale: sure
[10:14am] SopanShewale: by the way - i could build test release using trunk
[10:14am] peterthoeny: mi mac is kind of slow, too many apps open...
[10:14am] SopanShewale: looks good... the new skin looks good
[10:15am] SopanShewale: may be you reboot your laptop
[10:15am] peterthoeny: ok, here we go
[10:15am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2010x04x26
[10:16am] peterthoeny: proposed agenda:
[10:16am] peterthoeny: # 1. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:16am] peterthoeny: # 2. TWiki 5.0 Release Coordination
[10:16am] peterthoeny: # 3. Miscellaneous
[10:16am] peterthoeny: ok like this?
[10:17am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:18am] peterthoeny: ---++ 1. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:18am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:18am] SopanShewale:  even my internet is slow
[10:18am] peterthoeny: Item6324: Editing table 1 removes EDITCELL tag from the other table
[10:19am] peterthoeny: that requires some debugging
[10:19am] peterthoeny: do you think this is release blocker?
[10:20am] SopanShewale: checking
[10:20am] peterthoeny: ah, i see, NickThorpe posted a propsed fix
[10:21am] SopanShewale: yes... i can test it and make a decision
[10:21am] peterthoeny: thanks
[10:21am] peterthoeny: Item6427: More topic actions link has unresolved MAXREV and CURRREV
[10:21am] SopanShewale: should not be release blocker
[10:21am] peterthoeny: this is surely a release blocker
[10:22am] peterthoeny: seems related to csrf fix
[10:22am] peterthoeny: possible fix: do not pass those parameters along, but use default
attribute in more screen
[10:23am] SopanShewale: should not be csrf
[10:23am] peterthoeny: let me take Item6427
[10:24am] peterthoeny: Item6140: Table attributes lost on save
[10:24am] SopanShewale: but - on develop it works correctly.. i mean variables are expanded..
[10:24am] SopanShewale: where did you get that?
[10:24am] peterthoeny: on my local trunk checkout
[10:25am] SopanShewale: Item6140: Table attributes lost on save  -  this is i guess fixed
with other bug..
[10:25am] SopanShewale: i will put my comments my tomorrow.. its not bug now - Item6140:
Table attributes lost on save
[10:26am] peterthoeny: hmm, i can't see it now
[10:26am] peterthoeny: let me investigate
[10:26am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:26am] SopanShewale: you talking about 6427
[10:27am] peterthoeny: i meant let me investigate Item6140
[10:27am] peterthoeny: sorry, i meant let me investigate Item6427
[10:27am] SopanShewale: ok.... it was covered with other bugs
[10:28am] peterthoeny: thanks for taking Item6140
[10:28am] SopanShewale: hmm..... ok.. you did not announce about release meeting in #twiki
channel
[10:28am] peterthoeny: i did
[10:28am] peterthoeny: 2 min before the hour
[10:29am] peterthoeny: Item6328: Unable to create new users when passwordManager is set to
None and write access to Main web is restricted
[10:29am] peterthoeny: special case
[10:29am] SopanShewale: that was fixed.. ..
[10:29am] peterthoeny: should be fixed, but not a showstopper imho
[10:29am] SopanShewale: i think we forgot to close that bug
[10:29am] peterthoeny: last time we said we defer utf-8 fixes
[10:30am] SopanShewale: again - we have no choice
[10:30am] peterthoeny: as well as passwd management
[10:30am] SopanShewale: TWiki password, registration and login options need a careful going
over (urgent for 4.2.3)    - not sure....what exactly we want here
[10:30am] SopanShewale: not really relevant as of today
[10:30am] peterthoeny: i think that one is a big item
[10:31am] peterthoeny: rewrite the whole user/login/pwd management, which is a mess
[10:31am] peterthoeny: and does not scale well to 10K+ users
[10:31am] peterthoeny: so, not for 5.0
[10:31am] peterthoeny: Item6378: Issues with beforeSaveAttachment plugin dispatch
[10:32am] peterthoeny: what is status?
[10:32am] SopanShewale: thats fixed
[10:32am] peterthoeny: nice
[10:33am] peterthoeny: can you set status?
[10:33am] peterthoeny: Item6437: TopMenuSkin partially disables JQueryPlugin functionality
[10:33am] SopanShewale: changing now...
[10:33am] peterthoeny: i discovered this yesterday when i enhanced jqueryplugin
[10:34am] peterthoeny: i will handle Item6437
[10:34am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:34am] peterthoeny: Item6086: TSA DENYTOPICVIEW causes crash
[10:34am] peterthoeny: still relevant?
[10:34am] SopanShewale: nope..
[10:34am] SopanShewale: i will change the status
[10:34am] peterthoeny: thanks
[10:34am] peterthoeny: Item6366: %RED% - colors syntax lost while WYSYWYG editor used to
save the topics
[10:34am] peterthoeny: i thought this is fixed?
[10:35am] SopanShewale: its fixed
[10:35am] SopanShewale: i will change the status .. now
[10:35am] peterthoeny: thanks
[10:35am] peterthoeny: i have one item where i need to file a bug
[10:35am] SopanShewale: which one?
[10:35am] peterthoeny: on my local checkout i added myself to twikiadmingroup
[10:35am] peterthoeny: i am clearly there
[10:36am] peterthoeny: but in twikigroups page that lists all groups with members i am not
there
[10:36am] peterthoeny: and i can't edit any page in twiki web because twiki thinks i am not
an admin
[10:36am] SopanShewale:
[10:36am] SopanShewale: release blocker?
[10:37am] peterthoeny: i think so
[10:37am] peterthoeny: let me take that one
[10:37am] peterthoeny: any other bug items to look at?
[10:37am] SopanShewale: i think "no"
[10:38am] peterthoeny: ---++ 2. TWiki 5.0 Release Coordination
[10:39am] peterthoeny: we are in code freeze, but i think your latest proposal should be an
exception, e.g. should go into 5.0
[10:39am] SopanShewale: i am able to build test release..
[10:39am] SopanShewale: but we are still delayed on rc1
[10:39am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MultipleFileUpload
[10:40am] SopanShewale: yup.. it will be good addition to TWiki
[10:40am] peterthoeny: have you seen my css fix?
[10:40am] SopanShewale: yes.. i saw.. but i did not integrated with code...
[10:40am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:41am] SopanShewale: i need to integrate that..
[10:41am] peterthoeny: so agreed to add multi file upload feature to 5.0?
[10:41am] SopanShewale: i was able to code / finish all stuff for MultipleFileUpload
[10:41am] peterthoeny: this is a nice usability enhancement
[10:41am] SopanShewale: i need to modify the code little bit to work on trunk branch
[10:41am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:42am] SopanShewale: yes.. we should have that in TWiki - and it will be best to add in
5.0.. i agree to add that in 5.0 release
[10:42am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:42am] peterthoeny: back to schedule
[10:42am] peterthoeny: 2010-04-18 string freeze
[10:42am] SopanShewale: ok
[10:42am] peterthoeny: i sent out e-mail, with deadline 2010-04-30, e.g. this fri
[10:43am] SopanShewale: -thats done
[10:43am] peterthoeny: we already got the german translation
[10:43am] SopanShewale: good
[10:43am] peterthoeny: 2010-04-25 rc1
[10:43am] peterthoeny: that one is delayed a bit
[10:43am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:43am] peterthoeny: 2010-05-02 production release
[10:44am] peterthoeny: this is a bit ambitious
[10:44am] SopanShewale: yes..
[10:44am] peterthoeny: how about rc1 one sometimes this week, and production release
2010-05-09?
[10:44am] SopanShewale: yes..rc1 by 30-April
[10:44am] peterthoeny: ok
[10:45am] peterthoeny: ---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[10:45am] peterthoeny: anything?
[10:45am] SopanShewale: opps... 30 April  - i can not have anything
[10:45am] SopanShewale: so rc1 on 2nd.. sunday
[10:45am] peterthoeny: yes
[10:46am] peterthoeny: or rc1 sometime this week if you find time
[10:46am] peterthoeny: i'd like to update twiki.org code with rc1
[10:46am] SopanShewale: i will try to finish as soon as possible.. it might happen before
friday
[10:47am] SopanShewale: to be at safe side - 2nd/Sunday
[10:47am] peterthoeny: it's good to have code tested before production release
[10:47am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:47am] peterthoeny: ok, rc1 2010-05-02, with goal before that during this week
[10:48am] SopanShewale: sure
[10:48am] peterthoeny: this will be a good release
[10:49am] peterthoeny: release notes can be done after rc1
[10:49am] SopanShewale: yes
[10:50am] peterthoeny: but maybe good to create an empty placeholder TWikiReleaseNotes05x00
[10:50am] SopanShewale: misc - i dont have any item. at this moment..
[10:50am] peterthoeny: ok, i think we are done
[10:50am] peterthoeny: thanks sopan
[10:50am] SopanShewale: ok.. i will start with some content in release meetings
[10:50am] peterthoeny: i'll post the logs and minutes
[10:50am] SopanShewale: we can improve that before production release
[10:50am] SopanShewale: yup.. we are done...
[10:51am] peterthoeny: ttyl sopan
[10:51am] SopanShewale: thanks peter.. have a great day
[10:51am] SopanShewale: bye
[10:51am]  SopanShewale left the chat room.