Date: August 31, 2009 8:21:38 PM PDT
Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2009x08x31.txt

[10:07am]   SopanShewale_sos joined the chat room.
[10:07am]  SopanShewale_sos:Hi Peter - good morning
[10:08am]  peterthoeny:hi sopan
[10:08am]  peterthoeny:are irc channels case sensitive?
[10:08am]  peterthoeny:wondering if #twikirelease and #TWikiRelease are the same
[10:09am]  SopanShewale_sos:may not be
[10:09am]  SopanShewale_sos:not sure
[10:09am]   You changed the topic to "http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x08x31".
[10:10am]  SopanShewale_sos:i had issues with ChatZilll.. so changed to XChat
[10:11am]  peterthoeny:i find irc such a complicated protocol and system
[10:11am]  peterthoeny:most irc clients are not intuitive to use
[10:11am]  SopanShewale_sos:some how it was opening connection to favico.ico very frequently....
so had to change
[10:11am]  peterthoeny:compare with simplicity of skype chat
[10:12am]  SopanShewale_sos:yes.. we should change to gtalk/skype... and almost all users use
those IM's
[10:12am]   PeterJones joined the chat room.
[10:13am]  SopanShewale_sos:Hi PeterJ
[10:13am]  PeterJones:Good eveneing
[10:13am]  peterthoeny:hi pete!
[10:14am]  peterthoeny:thanks sopan for creating rc2!
[10:14am]  SopanShewale_sos:ok
[10:14am]  PeterJones:Sorry Im late
[10:16am]  SopanShewale_sos:Pete - did you get a chance to look at RC1?
[10:16am]  SopanShewale_sos:i mean RC2
[10:16am]  peterthoeny:not yet, was busy w logo design
[10:17am]  peterthoeny:pete: we have not yet started w the meeting
[10:17am]  SopanShewale_sos:sorry - question of PeterJ
[10:17am]  SopanShewale_sos:sorry - question was for PeterJ
[10:18am]  PeterJones:No sorry I have not looked at it yet
[10:18am]  SopanShewale_sos:ok
[10:18am]  peterthoeny:meeting topic is at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x08x31
[10:18am]  PeterJones:Following our upgrade to 4.3.1 on aug-18 I have been busy
[10:18am]  peterthoeny:how was the upgrade?
[10:18am]  peterthoeny:any big gotchas?
[10:19am]  peterthoeny:i know you fixed the session cleanup
[10:19am]  SopanShewale_sos:seems it was tough task
[10:19am]  peterthoeny:via cron
[10:20am]  PeterJones:Yes the default setting caused poor performance (for Sessions). Once set to
a -ve number all was ok
[10:20am]  PeterJones:There were some other issues and I still have to fix email notifications and
some Comment templates
[10:20am]  peterthoeny:wondering if we should document that more prominently
[10:21am]  PeterJones:It is well documented in configure but I overlooked it this time.
[10:21am]  peterthoeny:pete: feel free to add some notes in the doc, such as the installation
guide
[10:21am]  PeterJones:Ok , that is a good idea
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:shall we start w meeting?
[10:22am]  PeterJones:ok
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:i expect it to be short
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:i have a hard stop at +60 min
[10:22am]  PeterJones:fine with me
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:# 1. TWiki 4.3.2 Patch Release
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:# 2. Download Page Redesign
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:# 3. Miscellaneous
[10:22am]  peterthoeny:anything to add?
[10:23am]  peterthoeny:---++ 1. TWiki 4.3.2 Patch Release
[10:23am]  SopanShewale_sos:is Milind Joining Peter?
[10:23am]  peterthoeny:he just walked in, not sure
[10:23am]  SopanShewale_sos:i mean - for Download Page.. it will be good Idea to have Milind around
[10:24am]  peterthoeny:yes, i let him know
[10:24am]  peterthoeny:thanks sopan for building rc2
[10:25am]  peterthoeny:i will do a test install tonight
[10:25am]  SopanShewale_sos:ok.. planning to build production on tonight PDT
[10:25am]  SopanShewale_sos:may be after you give green signal
[10:26am]  SopanShewale_sos:i have some pending tasks like - upgrading a few document topics
[10:26am]  SopanShewale_sos:any quetions on rc2? production release?
[10:26am]  peterthoeny:sopan and i had a meeting last week to list pending items:
[10:26am]  peterthoeny:    * Tinymce plugin topic update
[10:26am]  peterthoeny:    * Release notes
[10:26am]  peterthoeny:    * Remove VarCRYPTOKEN, e.g. keep feature undocumented
[10:26am]  peterthoeny:    * TWIKI.NET skin fix and new logo for new branding
[10:27am]  peterthoeny:is this still accurate?
[10:27am]  SopanShewale_sos:yes Peter
[10:28am]  peterthoeny:we will decide on logo today
[10:28am]  peterthoeny:and should have final one tomorrow
[10:28am]  SopanShewale_sos:sure
[10:28am]  peterthoeny:so that means, open source release needs to be delayed by one day
[10:29am]  SopanShewale_sos:yes
[10:29am]  peterthoeny:i also would like to help out on release notes
[10:29am]  peterthoeny:sopan, please create initial version of release notes
[10:30am]  SopanShewale_sos:yes.. i will create that one
[10:31am]  peterthoeny:please have ready by tue our time so that I can help out on tue
[10:31am]  SopanShewale_sos:PDT morning tues?
[10:31am]  peterthoeny:yes
[10:32am]  peterthoeny:goal for tue your time is to have all docs ready for release
[10:32am]  peterthoeny:then i will review on tue my time
[10:33am]  SopanShewale_sos:ok
[10:33am]  peterthoeny:and you can build on wed your time, e.g. tue night my time
[10:33am]  peterthoeny:i can help out on tue night my time
[10:33am]  SopanShewale_sos:will do
[10:33am]  SopanShewale_sos:ok
[10:35am]  peterthoeny:anything else on release?
[10:35am]   milindpansare joined the chat room.
[10:35am]  peterthoeny:hi milind
[10:35am]  peterthoeny:good timing
[10:35am]  milindpansare:Hi peter, sopan, and Peter J
[10:35am]  peterthoeny:we are finished(?) with release agenda item
[10:36am]  peterthoeny:are we?
[10:36am]  peterthoeny:anything else?
[10:36am]  PeterJones:Hi Milind. I read through your ideas and I agree on the whole
[10:36am]  peterthoeny:next item
[10:36am]  peterthoeny:---++ 2. Download Page Redesign
[10:37am]  peterthoeny:we have not yet created a proposal page on twiki.org, i meant to do that
last week
[10:37am]  milindpansare:Thanks Peter J for reviewing
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[10:38am]  milindpansare:Peter Th, I will wrtite up the proposal as soon  as you create a proposal 
page. I'm a newbie to this process, so you may have to walk me thru it.
[10:38am]  SopanShewale:sorry ... connection was disconnected
[10:38am]  peterthoeny:sopan, did you clone yourself? we can use multiple versions of you
[10:39am]  SopanShewale: issues with connections
[10:39am]  peterthoeny:ok milind, let's do that this afternoon
[10:40am]  milindpansare:I believe the proopsal will cover the download page, as well as tweaking
slightly the 2 download icons for the community release and the tewiki.net supported release in
the main Twiki.org page.
[10:40am]  peterthoeny:let's brainstorm a bit more on the download page
[10:40am]  peterthoeny:milind, could you describe the layout you envision?
[10:41am]  SopanShewale:Hi Milind - good morning
[10:41am]  milindpansare:hi sopan, good evening
[10:42am]  milindpansare:For an example of what I'm thinking of, see http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/
[10:43am]  milindpansare:In a similar style, we would have a table clearly explaing the Community
and Enterprise releases
[10:43am]  peterthoeny:ah, side by side comparison
[10:43am]  peterthoeny:i like that
[10:44am]  peterthoeny:possible with small icon on each column?
[10:44am]  milindpansare:Sure, an icoon/graphical will help.
[10:44am]  peterthoeny:we need to be sensitive to community needs
[10:45am]  milindpansare:Then, thge next step is someone can choose either a button to download in
the Community column, or a button to learn more/trial in the Enterprise column.
[10:45am]  peterthoeny:i think the side by side comparison is fine if it is made clear that the 
twiki.net distribution has a different focus
[10:45am]  milindpansare:Correct, we need to be clear, transparent and open.
[10:46am]  peterthoeny:open source: enterprise wiki, e.g. core structured wiki capabilities (all
gpled code)
[10:47am]  peterthoeny:twiki.net distro: value add, e.g. enterprise collaboration suite with
blogging, social networking, enterprise glossary, etc, with open source twiki as core
[10:47am]  milindpansare:Community Release: Leading Open Source Enterprise wiki and application
platform, all GPL code
[10:47am]  peterthoeny:PeterJones: any feedback from community perspective?
[10:49am]  milindpansare:So, let me describe the 2nd step after someone gets to this page and clicks
[10:50am]  milindpansare:They will either click Download on Community Release or they will click
Learn More/Trial (wording TBD) on the Enterprise  Release. Clicking on the Enterprise release
will take them to the usual TWiki.net website procedures.
[10:52am]  milindpansare:Clicking on Download on the Community release brings you to a new page,
which is the opportunity to register on twiki.org. It is not a required step, so there will be a
link below the registration fileds that allows them to Click "No thanks, take me directly to
download". At this point they download frictionlessly.
[10:53am]  milindpansare:The "No thanks, take me directly to download" will be easily visible,
i.e designed such that it's not hidden, so it's easy to continue to download. We don;'t want to
create a barrier to adoption.
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[10:54am]  peterthoeny:the idea is to get more people to register on twiki.org?
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[10:54am]  peterthoeny:current registration form is at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration
[10:54am]  PeterJones:A diagram (that you made in Zurich) of how twiki.org sits inside twiki.net
would be helpful
[10:54am]  peterthoeny:idea is to clone that reg page?
[10:55am]  milindpansare:Yes, clone the reg page more or less. For example of MySQL, which I
believe is a good model for us, see
http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.1/mysql-essential-5.1.37-winx64.msi/from/pick?file=Downloads/MySQL-5.1/mysql-essential-5.1.37-winx64.msi&mirror=pick
[10:57am]  peterthoeny:the mysql requires you to register or login, we don't
[10:58am]  peterthoeny:i like the idea of optional registration to download
[10:59am]  peterthoeny:yes PeterJones, a diagram to clarify would be good
[10:59am]  peterthoeny:not on download page, would make page too busy
[11:00am]  peterthoeny:PeterJones: are you talking about slide 21 in
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiPresentation2008x08x21 ?
[11:01am]  peterthoeny:or slide 15?
[11:01am]  SopanShewale_sos:Hi guys..need to disconnect.. kids troubling
[11:01am]  SopanShewale_sos:sorry to leave in the midle.. bye
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[11:01am]  PeterJones:Yes
[11:02am]  peterthoeny:which one, 21?
[11:02am]  peterthoeny:fyi, milind is now on a phone call
[11:04am]  PeterJones:Yes (soory got sidetracked). Slide 21 shows were twiki.org site
[11:04am]  peterthoeny:ok, as i thought
[11:04am]  peterthoeny:are we done with agenda item 2?
[11:04am]  PeterJones:Where it sits.
[11:05am]  peterthoeny:milind and i will create a proposal page in the codev web
[11:05am]  peterthoeny:---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[11:05am]  peterthoeny:open microphone!
[11:06am]  peterthoeny:oh, i forgot time
[11:06am]  peterthoeny:+66 min
[11:06am]  peterthoeny:i have to wrap up
[11:06am]  peterthoeny:just quickly, pete, how is alex doing?
[11:06am]  peterthoeny:working on twiki stuff?
[11:07am]  peterthoeny:please encourage him to hang out on twiki.org
[11:07am]  peterthoeny:good way to get started is to enhance a plugin or fix a bug
[11:09am]  peterthoeny:i have to leave now
[11:09am]  PeterJones:Alex is progressing ok. He is looking at the UserMapping.pm. Its not easy
to understand
[11:10am]  peterthoeny:yes, that is kinda complex code
[11:10am]  peterthoeny:gotta go...
[11:10am]  peterthoeny:thanks pete, sopan, milind for participating!
[11:10am]  milindpansare:bye.
[11:10am]  peterthoeny:i'll post the logs
[11:11am]  milindpansare:and thanks
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[11:11am]  PeterJones:ok
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