Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2009x07x20.txt
Date: July 20, 2009

[6:51pm]  PeterThoeny rejoined the room.
[6:52pm] PeterJones:Hi Peter, Im upstairs
[6:57pm]  SopanShewale joined the chat room.
[6:58pm] SopanShewale:Good Morning/Afternoon Peter*
[7:00pm] peterthoeny:hi sopan, hi pete
[7:00pm] PeterJones:Hi Sopan
[7:00pm] peterthoeny:pete and peter met now at starbucks in zurich
[7:00pm] SopanShewale:Hello
[7:01pm] SopanShewale:great
[7:01pm] peterthoeny:PeterJones is now offline
[7:01pm] peterthoeny:here at starbucks they kick you out after 30 min
[7:01pm] peterthoeny:my session is until about +20 min
[7:02pm] peterthoeny:then i need to re-login
[7:02pm] PeterJones:Test
[7:02pm] SopanShewale:ah.. thats good.. now i should remove my laptop charger..battery will dr***
[7:02pm] peterthoeny:we expect also klaus ethgen
[7:02pm] peterthoeny:not here yet
[7:02pm] SopanShewale:so we are 2 days away from Sourceforge.net results
[7:03pm] peterthoeny:meeting agenda is at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x07x20
[7:03pm]  You changed the topic to
"http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x07x20".
[7:04pm] peterthoeny:yes, and today is the deadline
[7:05pm] peterthoeny:i am wondering where we stand with the voting
[7:06pm] SopanShewale:Good question - let us expect best
[7:06pm] peterthoeny:based on # of video views we are in good shape
[7:06pm] PeterJones:It was a great video
[7:06pm] peterthoeny:we have now 3400ish views on both videos
[7:06pm] peterthoeny:other projects have 500-2000
[7:07pm] peterthoeny:if we win it is pretty good pr for the twiki project
[7:07pm] peterthoeny:we have no way estimating where we stand in terms of voting
[7:07pm] SopanShewale:yes - that will give some boost for TWiki to attract developers
[7:07pm] peterthoeny:i asked sf.net of they can tell me a few days in advance if we are in the
top three
[7:07pm] peterthoeny:they declined to give that information
[7:08pm] SopanShewale:
[7:08pm] PeterJones:Get the champagne ready
[7:08pm] peterthoeny:on thu at oscon the results will be announced
[7:08pm] SopanShewale:23rd Peter
[7:08pm] peterthoeny:i fly back tomorrow tue and will be at oscon
[7:08pm] peterthoeny:correct
[7:08pm] SopanShewale:Good -  by any chance you conducting any session
[7:09pm] peterthoeny:wondering where klaus is
[7:11pm] peterthoeny:just walked around, he is not here yet
[7:11pm] peterthoeny:i send automated e-mails to all twiki.org users, you probably got one
[7:12pm] peterthoeny:i also individually contacted about 300 friends asking to vote
[7:12pm] peterthoeny:we got some university professors voting and asking students
[7:12pm] PeterJones:Yes we received the email at CERN
[7:13pm]  SopanShewale_ joined the chat room.
[7:14pm] peterthoeny:sopan, how much did you miss?
[7:14pm] peterthoeny:what was the alst you saw?
[7:15pm] SopanShewale_:<SopanShewale>yup
[7:15pm] SopanShewale_:<SopanShewale>some one told me he received mail from Peter Theoney
[7:15pm] peterthoeny:sorry, sopan, some of conversation here is verbal
[7:15pm] PeterJones:You have not missed much
[7:16pm] SopanShewale_:no issues Peter
[7:16pm] peterthoeny:just mentioned last year's user meetup we had in zurich
[7:16pm] peterthoeny:and PeterJones used to use sniff, the software of takefive
[7:16pm] peterthoeny:takefive is the birthplace of twiki
[7:16pm] peterthoeny:i initially called twiki t5wiki for takefive wiki
[7:17pm] peterthoeny:then i cut the 5
[7:17pm] peterthoeny:later i found out that twiki is also a robot
[7:17pm] peterthoeny:hence the robot mascot we had in the past
[7:17pm] PeterJones:It was on Buck Rogers I think
[7:17pm] peterthoeny:yes
[7:17pm] peterthoeny:pupular tv series in the 70s
[7:18pm] peterthoeny:buck rogers never made it to switzerland so i did not know about it
[7:18pm] PeterJones:You were lucky
[7:18pm] peterthoeny:hehe
[7:18pm] peterthoeny:klaus is not here yet
[7:18pm] peterthoeny:lets start with formal meeting
[7:19pm] peterthoeny:proposed agenda:
[7:19pm] peterthoeny:# 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[7:19pm] peterthoeny:# 2. Review Urgent Bugs
[7:19pm] peterthoeny:# 3. Miscellaneous
[7:19pm] peterthoeny:shall we add anything?
[7:19pm] SopanShewale_:we already discussed sf.net stuff
[7:19pm] SopanShewale_:i guess thats all
[7:20pm] PeterJones:I have a new colleeague at CERN and he will be with me for 6 mths
[7:20pm] PeterJones:working soley on TWiki software.
[7:20pm] peterthoeny:that is excellent!
[7:20pm] peterthoeny:looking forward working together with him
[7:21pm] PeterJones:His mandate is to integrate SSO autentication and grouips policy
[7:21pm] peterthoeny:pete said that he is from salzburg
[7:21pm] SopanShewale_:Is MarcelWerner working for your org, PeterJ?
[7:21pm] peterthoeny:former headquarters of takefive software
[7:21pm] PeterJones:I will get him on this IRC for future meetings
[7:21pm] peterthoeny:good
[7:21pm] peterthoeny:please do
[7:21pm] PeterJones:Marcel? I dont know. The new guy is Alex Bergenner
[7:21pm] SopanShewale_:i saw some update on 6151 from MarcelWerner
[7:22pm] peterthoeny:seems unrelated
[7:22pm] peterthoeny:?
[7:22pm] SopanShewale_:ok
[7:22pm] peterthoeny:---++ 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[7:23pm] peterthoeny:hold on, need to re-login
[7:23pm] PeterJones:The feature
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/PreferencesForRawEditOrWysiwygEdit is done
[7:24pm] peterthoeny:
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#ProposalsReadyForReleaseMeeting
[7:25pm] PeterJones:My changes work for use cases except for personal templates changes
[7:25pm] peterthoeny:thanks pete for implementing PreferencesForRawEditOrWysiwygEdit!
[7:26pm] PeterJones:I am running a user survey to understand our users edit preferences.
[7:26pm] peterthoeny:did you check in trunk and 4.3 branch?
[7:26pm] PeterJones:And many prefer the raw edit
[7:26pm] peterthoeny:me inluded
[7:26pm] PeterJones:No I have not checked it in yet
[7:27pm] peterthoeny:i mill help PeterJones to get started with svn
[7:27pm] peterthoeny:sopan, can you check if pete has access already to core?
[7:27pm] peterthoeny:svn access
[7:27pm] SopanShewale_:me included - but seen many users requiring WYSIWYG...
[7:28pm] SopanShewale_:yup.. i will do that
[7:28pm] peterthoeny:pete: read http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SoYouWantToBeATWikiDeveloper
[7:29pm] peterthoeny:in http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RequestAccessToSubversion - create
a PeterJonesWouldLikeToCheckIn page
[7:30pm] peterthoeny:sopan, i think we are in agreement to give pete svn access to core
[7:30pm] peterthoeny:so please go ahead and add him already
[7:30pm] PeterJones:Thanks
[7:30pm] peterthoeny:but pete: please create the "request acess" page too
[7:30pm] SopanShewale_:yes
[7:31pm]  SopanShewale left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[7:31pm] peterthoeny:PeterJones: read http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SubversionReadme to
get started with svn
[7:33pm] peterthoeny:read also http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/PatchReleaseMaintenanceSVN
[7:33pm] peterthoeny:that doc is a bit outdated tough
[7:33pm] peterthoeny:"though"
[7:34pm] SopanShewale_:Welcome PeterJones - now you can checkin code to core/plugins
[7:34pm] peterthoeny:pete: please ask alex to request svn access
[7:34pm] PeterJones:Cheers Sopan
[7:34pm] peterthoeny:i suggest first just for plugins
[7:34pm] peterthoeny:later for core as well
[7:34pm] PeterJones:Ok will do
[7:35pm] peterthoeny:you pete should get core access from beginning
[7:35pm] peterthoeny:klaus arrived
[7:35pm] peterthoeny:he is getting a drink and will join us shortly on irc
[7:42pm] peterthoeny:we are talking off-topic stuff
[7:42pm] peterthoeny:just now on sharepoint
[7:44pm] peterthoeny:we need good material explaining why twiki is needed for people who ask to
use sharepoint
[7:44pm] peterthoeny:sopan, what other features would you like to discuss?
[7:45pm] peterthoeny:sopan, still here?
[7:45pm] SopanShewale_:Nothing in Features Peter
[7:47pm] peterthoeny:ok
[7:48pm] peterthoeny:
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#Accepted_proposals_waiting_to_be has
many accepted features ready to be implemented
[7:50pm] PeterJones:Yes there are many. Do you think that they are progressing?
[7:52pm] peterthoeny:PeterJones: next time if you need web based irc see
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiIRC#Connecting_through_web_based_IRC
[7:53pm] PeterJones:Ok thanks I will try that one out
[7:53pm] SopanShewale_:PeterJ= we are not getting speed yet.. but sure, expecting to catch the
speed soon
[7:53pm] peterthoeny:klaus has difficulties to get online on irc
[7:53pm] peterthoeny:will take a bit longer
[7:54pm] SopanShewale_:we also need  do some cleanup - a few proposals may not make sense to
implement in current scenario
[7:55pm] peterthoeny:yes
[7:56pm] peterthoeny:klaus is on debian
[7:57pm] peterthoeny:seems like to login is windows and mac specific
[7:57pm] peterthoeny:he can;t get online
[7:59pm] peterthoeny:yes, we need to cleanup some
[7:59pm] peterthoeny:many
[7:59pm] peterthoeny:time check: :59 min
[8:00pm] peterthoeny:---++ 2. Review Urgent Bugs
[8:01pm] PeterJones:Sopan concerning your solution for Item 6151. I sent you an email
[8:01pm] SopanShewale_:so 6151 is not fixed?
[8:02pm] PeterJones:We have good results with your changes but we had to make so others
[8:02pm] peterthoeny:i had to re-login again
[8:02pm] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[8:02pm] SopanShewale_:sorry PeterJ... i am not able to recall other issue.. need to fetch the mail
[8:02pm] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6151
[8:02pm] peterthoeny:Item6151: Mapping of wikiname to RCS fails when email address used as login
(cUID to wikiname error?)
[8:03pm]  Mowgli joined the chat room.
[8:03pm] Mowgli:So, now I did it.
[8:04pm] peterthoeny:good, welcome klaus!
[8:05pm] SopanShewale_:PeterJ-i tried to recreate your issue on my  TWiki instance..not able to
recall where i left working on that..
[8:05pm] SopanShewale_:i will check that out and update you
[8:05pm] SopanShewale_:i just missed - was busy with some other tasks recently...
[8:06pm] PeterJones:Yes please check it out . Our changes made it work ok but Im not sure of
the consequences
[8:06pm] SopanShewale_:i have some priority item on my task list (thats done apart from
documentation/review code idea with Peter).. once thats done, i should look at 6151..
[8:08pm] peterthoeny:lets keep this meeting short
[8:08pm] SopanShewale_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6140 - this should
be fixed once we release latest TinyMCE
[8:08pm] peterthoeny:time check: +68 min
[8:09pm] peterthoeny:Item6140: Table attributes lost on save
[8:09pm] peterthoeny:good. did you check already on your updated twiki that this bug is fixed?
[8:09pm] SopanShewale_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item5804 -closed, could
not recreate it.. Item5804: Can kill code by appending odd url params (trunk only)  - mostly it
was fixed
[8:11pm] SopanShewale_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6276 - tem6276:
cannot specify percentBRpercent for newline value  : Spent some time today on this
[8:11pm] peterthoeny:ok
[8:11pm] SopanShewale_:this is the bug we need to fix.. some thing wrong in CommentPlugin - it
does not handle newline="...." stuff
[8:12pm] peterthoeny:this is likely related to latest security fix where special chars are encoded
[8:12pm] peterthoeny:sorry, s/encoded/escaped/
[8:14pm] SopanShewale_:i think not..it gives very strange result..some times it expands R%, some
times it does not
[8:14pm] peterthoeny:hmm
[8:14pm] SopanShewale_: % BR %
[8:15pm] SopanShewale_:any way .. i am working on that
[8:15pm] peterthoeny:if you last %BR% into a comment box it gets escaped
[8:15pm] peterthoeny:to %xxBR%xx (the xx is the char code of %)
[8:16pm] peterthoeny:same is probably happening with newline parameter
[8:16pm] SopanShewale_:i played with existing "tableappend" templated..
[8:16pm] peterthoeny:so, if you specify newline="<br />" or newline="%BR%", both, angle brackets
and percent will likely be esacped
[8:17pm] SopanShewale_:yes.. looks like that way.. but need to verify
[8:17pm] peterthoeny:i think we are ready to wrap up soon
[8:18pm] peterthoeny:any other bug items sopan?
[8:19pm] peterthoeny:(bug items to discuss)
[8:19pm] SopanShewale_:other blockers.. the new ones are worked out.. the very old are not
relevant for the disucssions
[8:19pm] SopanShewale_:not at this moment
[8:20pm] peterthoeny:---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[8:20pm]  PeterJones left the chat room. ("Java user signed off")
[8:20pm] peterthoeny:we already talked about different misc stuff
[8:21pm] SopanShewale_:yes
[8:23pm]  PeterJones joined the chat room.
[8:23pm] PeterJones:Im back. I guess we are on Misc
[8:25pm] peterthoeny:it looks like we are done with meeting
[8:25pm] peterthoeny:anyting else?
[8:26pm] PeterJones:No more coffee for me
[8:26pm] SopanShewale_: i think we are done long time back
[8:26pm] peterthoeny:
[8:26pm] SopanShewale_:enjoy Coffe
[8:26pm] peterthoeny:just lots of chatting here
[8:26pm] Mowgli:Thats true
[8:27pm] peterthoeny:thanks sopan, klaus, pete for participating!
[8:27pm] Mowgli:Well, it's easier to do that in a mix of german and english than in irc.
[8:27pm] PeterJones:Cheers and see you next time
[8:27pm] SopanShewale_:bye
[8:27pm]  PeterJones left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[8:28pm]  SopanShewale_ left the chat room. ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]")
[8:50pm]  Mowgli left the chat room. ("Grüßt mir die Sterne")