Date: June 29, 2009 12:23:27 PM PDT
Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2009x06x29.txt

[09:30am]  ashcrow-afk is now known as ashcrow.
[10:01am]  peterthoeny rejoined the room.
[10:01am] pbr: Hi, Sopan, Peter, et al.
[10:02am] SopanShewale: Hi Pbr
[10:03am] peterthoeny: hi steve, harry, paul, sopan!
[10:03am] SopanShewale: Good Morning Peter
[10:03am] hrry: Hi Peter and everyone!
[10:04am] milindpansare: Hi Peter, and everyone.
[10:05am] ashcrow: good day
[10:05am] peterthoeny: nice to see you here harri!
[10:06am]  You changed the topic to "http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x06x29".
[10:07am] peterthoeny: jitendra kavathekar, the new ceo of twiki.net will join us shortly
[10:07am] hrry: thanks Peter, Mondays don't usually work for me as I've been normally traveling, so this is 
a first for me
[10:07am] peterthoeny: still cold up in tempere?
[10:08am]  Jeet joined the chat room.
[10:08am] peterthoeny: hi jeet, welcome!
[10:08am] peterthoeny: jeet = jitendra
[10:08am] hrry: we have a heat wave in Finland for the second week now, 27 deg celcius today - so actually not
[10:09am] SopanShewale: Welcome Jeet !
[10:09am] SopanShewale: 27 deg celcius - this is actually not hot in India
[10:09am] ashcrow: hrry:  it's a cool 89F here in NC today
[10:10am] Jeet: Hello Everyone.  I look forward to the conversation and decisions here.
[10:10am] ashcrow: 31.6C
[10:10am] peterthoeny: ashcrow:  i am living for 10 years in usa, still not used to degree f
[10:10am] hrry: Sopan, I guess it's all relative  For Finland this weather is pretty much as hot as it gets...
[10:10am] ashcrow: peterthoeny:   we do everything backwards here
[10:10am] SopanShewale: true
[10:10am] peterthoeny: shall we start or wait some more min?
[10:11am] pbr: peter: Google is your friend for c-to-f and f-to-c: try "27 c in f" and such.
[10:12am] peterthoeny: meeting page is at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x06x29
[10:13am] peterthoeny: meeting agenda:
[10:13am] peterthoeny: # 1. Introduce Jitendra Kavathekar, new CEO of TWIKI.NET
[10:13am] peterthoeny: # 2. Promote voting for TWiki on SourceForge.net
[10:13am] peterthoeny: # 3. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[10:13am] peterthoeny: # 4. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:13am] peterthoeny: shall we add anything to the agenda?
[10:13am] peterthoeny: who is taking notes on metting page?
[10:13am] SopanShewale: sounds good
[10:13am] peterthoeny: "meeting page"
[10:14am] peterthoeny: ---++ 1. Introduce Jitendra Kavathekar, new CEO of TWIKI.NET
[10:15am] peterthoeny: jitendra aka jeet joined us in the beginning of june
[10:15am] peterthoeny: we announced it last week
[10:15am] peterthoeny: please welcome jeet
[10:15am] peterthoeny: let's use this as a q&a session
[10:15am] peterthoeny: and may be jeet would like to say a few words
[10:15am] Jeet: Thanks Peter.  I am very excited to be a part of twiki.  thanks Peter for the welcome
[10:15am] Jeet: while you are thinking of a couple of questions, let me say a few words
[10:16am] Jeet: I was on a business trip to Washington DC last week. where I had the opportunity to meet with 
some government agencies
[10:16am] Jeet: it is clear that all entities, private, govn, edu, etc.. have a need/desire to collaborate 
with their partners
[10:17am] Jeet: twiki has been enabling organizations to collaborate for many years, and it is an honor to 
be a part of this effort.
[10:18am] Jeet: due to the strong adoption of the open source project, we are very well known amonst those 
that want to actually get stuff done.  I applaud Peter and contributors to make this a reality for the users.
[10:18am] Jeet: This will be fun
[10:18am]  ChengappaCB joined the chat room.
[10:18am] peterthoeny: hi milind (sorry i missed you before!)
[10:18am] peterthoeny: hi changappa!
[10:19am] Jeet: I would like to ask if there are any questions, and would be happy to address
[10:19am] ChengappaCB:Hi Peter... Sorry I am late...
[10:19am] SopanShewale: Jeet, Welcome to the TWiki Community. Looking forward for interesting time at Community
[10:20am] ChengappaCB:Is Jeet = Jitendra Kavathekar ?
[10:21am] Jeet: Thanks Sopan. I'll let Peter continue with the agenda.  I will be hovering on IRC in case of 
any questions...
[10:21am] peterthoeny: yes ChengappaCB
[10:21am] SopanShewale: Hi Chengappa, good to see you
[10:21am] ChengappaCB:Same here Sopan.
[10:22am] peterthoeny: let's spend a few min on q&a, anything goes
[10:22am] pbr: Jeet, did you by chance meet with anyone from NIST?  I'm honored to be helping them with their 
SmartGrid TWiki.  Yes, you're right about the govt using TWiki for collaboration with partners/vendors.  
Peter:  TWiki has been intranet-focused for some time; with this new, open Internet focus, do you see many 
changes needed for TWiki?
[10:22am] ChengappaCB:Unfortunately, there is a power cut in bangalore... I'm runnimg on my small UPS... may 
have to log out soon
[10:22am] Jeet: Not on this trip PBR, but we are engaged with them through a third party.
[10:23am] Jeet: Gov 2.0 is the buzzword, but certain parts of the gov, they are getting very serious.  we are 
looking to get baked into the core platforms there
[10:23am] peterthoeny: i see twiki primarily used in the enterprise (.com and .gov)
[10:24am] peterthoeny: traditionally for behind firewall use
[10:24am] peterthoeny: but i see more and more use as extranet too
[10:24am] Jeet: PBR, lets talk about NIST off line. will you be able to swing by this week.
[10:25am] pbr: Sure; that's a great idea.
[10:25am] peterthoeny: ChengappaCB: no bicycle to generate electricity?
[10:25am] Jeet: To answer the open internet focus question, yes.  Collaboration means not just within the 
intranet, but outside with other companies, agencies, etc.. as well.  We must be equally proficient over 
time on the extranet.
[10:26am] peterthoeny: (reminds me of maker faire that had a rock concert powered by bicyclists)
[10:26am] Jeet: jeet@twiki.net is my email, drop me a note PBR when you can and lets talk live.  This goes 
for anyone else that would like to meet.
[10:27am]  ChengappaCB left the chat room. ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
[10:27am] peterthoeny: any question in regards to twiki.net and open source?
[10:29am] Jeet: Peter, why don't you ask the question?
[10:29am] pbr: Quick comment about foswiki:  Someone recently urged me to get more involved with foswiki 
because "thats where all the developers are" - I replied that I'd be happy to help any clients with foswiki, 
but all my clients to date are using TWiki.
[10:30am] pbr: ...he changed the subject right after that.
[10:30am] Jeet: strong endorsement PBR.  thanks.
[10:30am] peterthoeny: good point pbr
[10:31am] peterthoeny: we had a support person coming back to twiki.org because the otehr wiki had no 
customers asking questions
[10:31am] hrry: so what's the situation between TWiki and Foswiki at the moment? haven't been following very 
closely
[10:32am] pbr: ...peaceful coexistence, AFAIK...
[10:32am] peterthoeny: ...with heavy lobbying on one side (as pbr experienced)
[10:32am] SopanShewale: Jitendra - we would be happy to understand short information on your technical 
backgroup/prev. experience
[10:34am] pbr: Quoting the press release:
[10:34am] pbr: Jitendra Kavathekar joins TWIKI.NET from Yahoo! where he was Vice President and Managing 
Director of the Web Analytics business. While at Yahoo!, Kavathekar grew the web analytics business from 
inception to a vital part of the company's overall insights strategy. Prior to Yahoo!, Kavathekar led 
Motorola's technology investment in the SCREEN3, a mobile web services platform, resulting in 16 new 
operators going live with 6 millio
[10:34am] Jeet: Sure, take a look at the web site www.twiki.net/about for some details.  My background 
includes close to 20 years of experience at Large and small companies, big and small teams, local and geo 
distributed, in industries such as consumer and office electronics, mobile and wireless, and 
internet/analytics.
[10:34am] peterthoeny: and here is my open ended question to Jeet:  what is your understanding of 
importance of closed source and open source in enterprise, and trend?
[10:35am] SopanShewale: thank you.. this is definitely going to help community
[10:35am] hrry: what was the open source & TWiki question that was left unasked? Peter, Jeet?
[10:35am] Jeet: I have a bs/ms in cs and consider myself a technologist that really loves it when the 
product/technology/business makes things better in some way for people (consumer or enterprise)
[10:36am] hrry: ok, there it was already
[10:37am] hrry: Jeet, what's your vision for TWiki.net? I guess you're on board now to take the business 
to the next level but what would that goal be? Welcome on board by the way!
[10:38am] hrry: and also for TWiki.org
[10:38am] Jeet: For Peter's question,more and more, OSS will become a vital part of the enterprise stack.  
We see it from historical and current data points (RHAT, Zimbra, mysql, etc....).  As it relates to 
platforms that enable collaboration, OSS offers a way for the "tool" to adapt to the enterprise rather 
than vice versa which one of the reasons why collaboration in the enterprise is broken (costly, silo, etc...)
[10:38am] Jeet: that was a CEO talking.  With my open source hat on, I can say...
[10:40am] peterthoeny: btw, direct link to about page: http://www.twiki.net/about.html#JitendraKavathekar
[10:41am] Jeet: We all share in a common framework to enable ourselves (ie collaboration in the enterprise).  
To address Peter's question, an OSS approach brings together a symbiotic relationship involving our company, 
our customers, enthusiasts, students, etc.. an opportunity to drive the industry!  We all have an opportunity 
to shape this collaboration platform and because of its "bigness" one company can't hope to have a corner on 
what it means.
[10:41am] Jeet: Its a shared vision and execution (sexy roadmaps, great adoption, contributions from 
everywhere, etc...).  Ie Collaboration!  (walk the walk)
[10:43am] peterthoeny: my personal goal is to nurture a thriving open source community where contributors are 
welcomed and have a sense of belonging and owneship
[10:43am] peterthoeny: the governance model we introduce last october paves the way for this
[10:44am] Jeet: Thanks Hrry.  From a commercial perspective, industry benchmarks for conversions from open 
source user to paying customer are low (ie ~0.5%).  We have a clear opportunity to meet these benchmarks and 
think we have a business model to attract investors.  WIth investment dollars, I want to build out a larger 
engineering team as well as incent others to participate in our success in a way that respects various 
interests, thereby enabling a bigger communi
[10:44am] ashcrow: I have a technical question if that is OK to throw out there :-).
[10:44am] peterthoeny: i am currently reading the to-be-released "the art of community" book by jono bacon, 
community manager of ubuntu
[10:45am] SopanShewale: wow.. thats gr8 stuff Peter
[10:45am] peterthoeny: we are on the right track to scale the community
[10:45am] Jeet: we see interest from all sectors. we have some clear work in front of us to make the product 
more usable, and useful straight out of the box.  We are also looking for additional help when it comes to 
commercial enagements that require some development for customizations.  So if anyone is interested, we defn 
are to get your help.
[10:45am] Jeet: ashcrow, go for it.
[10:46am] ashcrow: The open source world has been using perl for a very long time. Over the last 6-7 years 
Java has come into the open source world and, more recently, ruby and python have become very popular (esp 
in web applications). Is there any plans on allowing plugins to be written in python/ruby/etc.. or is TWiki 
staying with perl?
[10:46am] ashcrow: *staying with perl through the whole stack
[10:46am] SopanShewale: Jeet - we really need to invite young blood with lot of fresh ideas which can go in 
the TWiki.
[10:46am] peterthoeny: ashcrow:  this is a good question
[10:47am] peterthoeny: perl is a very good language for twiki
[10:47am] peterthoeny: but at the same time it is getting more difficult to get qualified programmers
[10:47am] peterthoeny: personally i like jave and python
[10:47am] peterthoeny: sorry. "java"
[10:48am] peterthoeny: a complete rewrite in java or python is not out of question, but would require a 
huge effort
[10:48am] Jeet: We must maintain relevance with a new generation of developers, but also realize the effort 
to migrate to a new platform.  perhaps this is a classic item for the community to debate.
[10:49am] peterthoeny: see expected project cost at http://www.ohloh.net/p/twiki
[10:49am] peterthoeny: is $27m over last 10 years
[10:51am] peterthoeny: yes, that is a good remark jeet, based on the governance model, anyone could create 
a new task team for twiki rewrite in different language
[10:51am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiGovernance
[10:51am] peterthoeny: time check: +50 min
[10:51am] peterthoeny: lets spend a few more min on intro & brainstorming
[10:51am] pbr: Hrm... TWiki's architecture doesn't preclude using other languages; by "allowing" do you 
mean someone providing interface libraries/APIs for other languages?  I think there, the problem becomes, 
that TWiki's existing libraries are VERY perl-centric; leveraging perl's power; that would be lost in the 
translation-layer... so (my personal opinion) TWiki doesn't preclude using other languages, but it doesn't 
welcome them either.
[10:52am] peterthoeny: pbr:  good point. it's feasible to create a shim plugin api for a different language
[10:52am] peterthoeny: again, anyone can create a task team to drive that effort
[10:52am] ashcrow: pbr:  yeah, exposing the objects/functions in a way that allowed other languages to take 
advantage of them ... using my irc client as an example ...
[10:52am] milindpansare: Just to raise the question ( but we may be short on time). More important to enable 
app developers to develop seamlessly in Java or python as oposed to necessarily rewrite twiki in those ?
[10:53am] ashcrow: I can write perl, python, ruby or lua plugins as it exposes it's internal objects to those 
languages
[10:53am] peterthoeny: that's actually a good idea: keep twiki core in perl, but add interfaces for different 
langauges
[10:53am] milindpansare: that's the Google app Engine approach ?
[10:53am] Jeet: One thing that I would input here is that we want to maintain the low barriers to entry for 
developers and customers.
[10:54am] peterthoeny: one other point: twiki is an app platform, so the underlying language is irrelevant 
for app developers
[10:54am] peterthoeny: key here is to enhance the app platform to make it point and click to develop apps 
(kind of visual basic for twiki?)
[10:55am] peterthoeny: ok, let's wrap up the intro
[10:55am] peterthoeny: thanks all, was a good discussion
[10:56am] Jeet: thanks Peter and all.  I'm available to chat some more today of offline.  see you
[10:56am] peterthoeny: thank you jeet for stopping by!
[10:56am] peterthoeny: let's go to next agenda item
[10:56am] pbr: Great e-meeting you Jeet; I'll follow up via email.
[10:57am] peterthoeny: ---++ 2. Promote voting for TWiki on SourceForge.net
[10:57am] peterthoeny: as you have probably seen, we created the promo video as discussed in the last 
release meeting
[10:58am] peterthoeny: thank you milind and ann for driving this!
[10:58am] milindpansare: It's fun. 800 views on YouTube already...
[10:58am] peterthoeny: the video has now already 800 views, much more than 160 or so for mindtouch
[10:58am] peterthoeny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzgXLjYnq-k
[10:59am] peterthoeny: now the question is how to promote the voting
[10:59am] peterthoeny: milind and ann are a marketeers, they help on this front
[11:00am] peterthoeny: i'd like to ask here, what can we do to promote the voting?
[11:00am] peterthoeny: here is one: twiki.org has 40k registrations, many are old
[11:00am] SopanShewale: request in facebook personal groups..linkedin groups
[11:00am] milindpansare: There's a blog on  blogs.sun.com/startups that should help.
[11:00am] peterthoeny: last october we added an opt-in for code of conduct
[11:01am] pbr: I followed the link http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/vote/?f=426 from http://twiki.org - 
it's a LITTLE confusing because then there are all these other categories for other projects and such.  If 
there is a way to point people at a page where they could JUST vote for TWiki that'd be awesome...
[11:01am] peterthoeny: the majority of old registartions has not yet opted in
[11:01am] ashcrow: pbr:  +1
[11:02am] peterthoeny: i intend to send a mass mail to the old registrations to add the new user form to the 
user hompage and eitehr opt in or opt out
[11:02am] peterthoeny: in this mail we can ask people to vote
[11:02am] peterthoeny: so this is a one time mailer
[11:03am] peterthoeny: pbr:  i can ask sf.net, but i guess that they want people to vote more broadly
[11:03am] ashcrow: peterthoeny:  if you click pbr's link it adds TWiki for Best Project for Enterprise ... 
they just need to click 'send my vote now'
[11:03am] peterthoeny: we will blog on twiki.org and twiki.net asking to vote
[11:04am] pbr: On a personal level my plan is to tweet the voting URL above (or better if I can find one) - 
and also post it on facebook, linkedIN, spock, digg, and any other tell-us-your-status kinds of places.
[11:04am] pbr: When is the deadline for voting? i.e. when do the polls close?
[11:04am] peterthoeny: yes pbr, that is the right approach, and i encourage everyone to do the same
[11:05am] peterthoeny: i have tweeted, facebooked, linkedined about it
[11:05am] milindpansare: You can update your LinkedIN, facebook status and tweet, here are the short URLs: 
http://bit.ly/twvideo If you like it, vote at http://bit.ly/twote
[11:05am] ashcrow: is there an offical twitter and/or identi.ca twiki feed?
[11:05am] peterthoeny: i love bit.ly, it allows you to specify your own short url (if not taken)
[11:06am] peterthoeny: we have twikiorg and twikifriends
[11:06am] peterthoeny: both are aggregators
[11:07am] milindpansare: Yup, and tinyurl.com also lets you create a custom alias.
[11:07am] peterthoeny: i need to get in touch with vicky brown, she is handling this
[11:07am] pbr: Hrm... per ashcrow "they just need to click 'send my vote now'" --- so maybe we can call that 
out in "simple voting instructions" on http://twiki.org ...this would probably eliminate some of the confusion 
I was talking about earlier.  (when you can't hack around it, document it!)
[11:07am] peterthoeny: (i am refering to twitter user names)
[11:07am] peterthoeny: the @twiki is registered by a 3rd party and inactive
[11:08am] peterthoeny: pbr:  good point, i'll add the note
[11:08am] peterthoeny: any other ideas on promoting the voting?
[11:09am] ashcrow: make sure everyone in #twiki know to vote
[11:09am] ashcrow: that is all I can think of
[11:09am] SopanShewale: brb  - sorry, will be back in 2 mins
[11:09am] peterthoeny: ashcrow:  simple and good: i'll update the opic in #twiki channel
[11:09am] pbr: Peter, do you know when voting deadline is?
[11:09am] peterthoeny: dealine is 20 july
[11:09am] peterthoeny: "deadline"
[11:10am] pbr: ok cool
[11:10am] pbr: thanks
[11:10am] peterthoeny: so we have some time, but better to get active early, so that we get a snowball effect
[11:11am] peterthoeny: any other feedback/idea?
[11:11am] pbr: I want to spread out the status updates and such; not do them all at once.  So this gives me a 
good schedule to work in.
[11:11am] milindpansare: Any other influential bloggers we know in the community ?
[11:12am] peterthoeny: milind introduced us to sun microsystems startups blog team
[11:12am] peterthoeny: they blogged last week, which got re-tweets
[11:12am] peterthoeny: thank you milind! clap-clap-clap
[11:12am] milindpansare: you're welcome...
[11:13am] SopanShewale: back...
[11:13am] peterthoeny: not directly part of community, but dan woods, co-author of wikis for dummies book, is 
blogging for forbes.com
[11:14am] peterthoeny: he is covering twiki once in a while
[11:14am] peterthoeny: i'll get in touch with him in regards to voting
[11:15am] SopanShewale: it would be good idea - to blink message about voting on Support web... and send/spam  
messages to people who ask questions.
[11:15am] peterthoeny: community members also could promote voting in company internal mailing lists
[11:15am] milindpansare: Cool. And when we all watch the vide on youtube, don't forget to rate it!
[11:15am] milindpansare: video
[11:15am] peterthoeny: that is a high yield activity
[11:15am] peterthoeny: ashcrow, hrry and others please consdier promoting the voting at work
[11:16am] •ashcrow nods
[11:16am] peterthoeny: thanks all, i think we have a good shot at winning
[11:17am] hrry: I just retweeted the voting links, hope that helps a bit
[11:17am] peterthoeny: all other projects in enterprise category are nich tools, with exception of firebird
[11:18am] peterthoeny: so, let's do joint effort to win this category!!
[11:18am] peterthoeny: time check: +78 min
[11:18am] milindpansare: Well we just got 11 new views in the last few minutes, that's some of us, and 
hopefully some friends...
[11:18am] peterthoeny: lets try to wrap up in 10 min
[11:18am] peterthoeny: ---++ 3. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[11:18am] peterthoeny: sopan, are you back?
[11:19am] SopanShewale: yes.
[11:19am] hrry: Nice video, one of the viewers was me
[11:19am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#ProposalsReadyForReleaseMeeting
[11:19am] peterthoeny: thanks hrry, was our first video production
[11:19am] peterthoeny: using mac os-x
[11:20am] SopanShewale: BTW - i raised one - http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6283 just 
some time before - that could have been part of Proposals
[11:20am] SopanShewale: thats for tinyMCE
[11:20am] peterthoeny: latest tinymce is a good one!
[11:20am] peterthoeny: thanks for driving this sopan!
[11:20am] SopanShewale: ok
[11:21am] peterthoeny: we have no proposals marked as "ready for release meeting"
[11:21am] SopanShewale: we have PeterJ missing today
[11:22am] peterthoeny: anyone would like to discuss a feature posted at 
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals ?
[11:22am] ashcrow: Three that I'd like to see make it in are: Item5804 Item6246 Item6245
[11:22am] ashcrow: which seem to be either decently easy or mostly done
[11:22am] peterthoeny: are these bug items or feature proposals with bug items to track?
[11:22am] hrry: my current company has it's own collaboration platform, the editor is done with tinymce and it 
works great - would be awesome to get the same for twiki
[11:23am] ashcrow: peterthoeny:  honestly not 100% sure
[11:24am] peterthoeny: yea, upgrading tinymce from 2.x to 3.2 helps on the usability front
[11:24am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item5804 - Can kill code by appending 
odd url params (trunk only)
[11:25am] SopanShewale: hrry - Wysiwyg in TWiki is based on tinyMCE
[11:25am] peterthoeny: sopan, this is trunk only
[11:25am] SopanShewale: Peter - i was suppose to remove/close this. may not be relavant today
[11:25am] SopanShewale: s/relavant/relevant/
[11:26am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6246 - Security: twiki root 
directory should not be exposed as html doc root
[11:26am] peterthoeny: that's on me
[11:26am] SopanShewale: i will remove this by going through the issue
[11:26am] peterthoeny: yes, that should be done
[11:26am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6245 - TWiki package: Put 
.tar.gz into its own subdirectory
[11:26am] peterthoeny: sensible fix, yes
[11:27am] peterthoeny: let's wrap up in a few min
[11:27am] peterthoeny: any other feature items to discuss?
[11:27am] SopanShewale: nope
[11:27am] peterthoeny: ---++ 4. Review Urgent Bugs
[11:28am] pbr: I have some input on this.  SMART clients - and even me myself occasionally - are getting 
accidentally nailed by cruft injected by the WYSIWYG editor.    Especially when making "minor" changes to 
preferences in topics.  I think http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/PreferencesForRawEditOrWysiwygEdit 
would rock
[11:28am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[11:28am] peterthoeny: pbr:  yes, that is the feature peter jones of cern is working on
[11:29am] peterthoeny: i believe it is almost done
[11:29am] peterthoeny: sopan, any release blocker you would like to cover today?
[11:29am] SopanShewale: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6275 - this is almost worked out
[11:30am] SopanShewale: just needs confirmation from PeterJ - if that fixes his issues
[11:30am] SopanShewale: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6270 - this is also fixed.. 
can go in next release
[11:30am] peterthoeny: good
[11:31am] SopanShewale: other bugs are actually old .. many of them do not hold any relevance.. can be 
removed.. i will take care of cleaning this space
[11:31am] peterthoeny: http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6276 - cannot specify 
percentBRpercent for newline value
[11:31am] peterthoeny: this one is new
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[11:32am] SopanShewale: ah.. yes..
[11:32am] peterthoeny: caused by spec change due to csrf fix
[11:32am] peterthoeny: issue is that < > % are now expanded for security reasons
[11:33am] SopanShewale: yup... we need to verify this
[11:33am] peterthoeny: which breaks newline=" <br /> "
[11:33am] SopanShewale: i can invest my time on this tomorrow
[11:33am] peterthoeny: ok, problem is confirmed, needs a fix
[11:33am] peterthoeny: thank you sopan
[11:33am] peterthoeny: anything else?
[11:33am] SopanShewale: thats urgent stuff.. comment plugin is most important for us
[11:34am] peterthoeny: yesand no, custom newline is not used that often
[11:34am] SopanShewale: true...
[11:34am] peterthoeny: if no other items lets close the meeting
[11:34am] peterthoeny: and continue discussion at #twiki
[11:34am] SopanShewale: nope.. nothing else from my side at this moment
[11:35am] peterthoeny: ok, thanks everybody for joining us today!
[11:35am] pbr: thank you, peter!
[11:35am] ashcrow: thanks!
[11:35am] peterthoeny: have a gr8 day, evening, night!
[11:35am] hrry: thanks guys
[11:35am] milindpansare: Bye!
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[11:36am] SopanShewale: thanks Peter.. have a gr8 day ahead
[11:36am] peterthoeny: i'll post the log
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[11:40am] SopanShewale: Hi Peter Jones
[11:40am] SopanShewale: just now Meeting over
[11:40am] PeterJones: Hi Sopan, Sorry Im late
[11:41am] PeterJones: Ah, Ok I will read up the minutes. Did you have a good holiday?
[11:41am] SopanShewale: yup...
[11:41am] SopanShewale: how about you peter?
[11:41am] peterthoeny: hi PeterJones, we just finished a few min ago
[11:41am] PeterJones: I need a holiday
[11:41am] peterthoeny: i'll post the log
[11:42am] SopanShewale: PeterJ/T- i am signing out...
[11:42am] PeterJones: OK, for my side I updated the Editor feature
[11:42am] SopanShewale: have a gr8 day.. bye
[11:42am] PeterJones: Ok see you next time
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