Date: January 19, 2009 11:18:25 AM PST
Subject: GeorgetownMinutes2009x01x19.txt

[09:29am]PeterThoeny_ joined the chat room.
[09:32am]SopanShewale joined the chat room.
[09:33am]PeterThoeny_:good evening sopan
[09:33am]PeterThoeny_:markus uebera||: here in person?
[09:34am]SopanShewale:Good morning Peter
[09:36am]SopanShewale:Agenda?
[09:36am] You changed the topic to "http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/GeorgetownReleaseMeeting2009x01x19".
[09:37am]PeterThoeny_:proposed agenda:
[09:37am]PeterThoeny_:# 1. Review Urgent Bugs
[09:37am]PeterThoeny_:# 2. Feature requests for Georgetown Release
[09:37am]PeterThoeny_:anything to add?
[09:38am]SopanShewale:Nothing from my side to add
[09:38am]PeterThoeny_:i actually would like to add a small one:
[09:38am]PeterThoeny_:code name after geargotown
[09:38am]PeterThoeny_:"georgetown"
[09:38am]SopanShewale:ah.. ok
[09:39am]PeterThoeny_:---++ 1. Review Urgent Bugs
[09:39am]PeterThoeny_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[09:40am]SopanShewale:Peter - i have collected some data
[09:40am]PeterThoeny_:how do you want to proceed with this, pick some? review all?
[09:40am]PeterThoeny_:ok
[09:40am]SopanShewale:may be i should add that here... let us go by that
[09:40am]SopanShewale:Item5960 - Content-length breaks HTTP headers, a.o. pound fail results
[09:41am]PeterThoeny_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item5960
[09:41am]SopanShewale:I think its good idea to have Content length
[09:41am]SopanShewale:we just need to use something like  $query->header("-type"=>$type, "-Content-length"=>$length, "-Content-Disposition"=>$dispo,) to form the header.
[09:42am]SopanShewale:current implementation is  hardcore way of forming header - like print "header.." \r\n; print "body"
[09:42am]SopanShewale:Any way - it should be easy to fix this bug
[09:43am]PeterThoeny_:ok, please give it a try
[09:43am]SopanShewale:i have already done this kind of stuff while solving viewfile - so i can fix this
[09:43am]PeterThoeny_:cool
[09:43am]SopanShewale:Next Item
[09:43am]SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6167 Item6167: TWiki Forms expand variables like $nop, $quote $percnt
[09:43am]SopanShewale:this is urgent bug - i have already spent some time on it
[09:43am]PeterThoeny_:yes, this one tends to pop up again and again
[09:44am]SopanShewale:This bug is discovered through test cases...
[09:44am]SopanShewale:i will take care of this one
[09:44am]PeterThoeny_:ah, good to have test cases
[09:44am]PeterThoeny_:thank you
[09:44am]SopanShewale:next item
[09:44am]SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6163
[09:44am]SopanShewale:Item6163: Comment plugin loses data
[09:44am]SopanShewale:Fix provided by http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/TimotheLitt
[09:44am]SopanShewale:We need to test it, add test case for CommentPlugin.
[09:45am]PeterThoeny_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6163
[09:45am]SopanShewale:Thanks to TimootheLitt..
[09:45am]SopanShewale:we just need to add test case - and checking the code in branch
[09:46am]PeterThoeny_:ah, just reading the patch at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/SID-00025
[09:46am]PeterThoeny_:he appends comment data in case the anchor is missing
[09:46am]PeterThoeny_:makes sense
[09:46am]SopanShewale:yes
[09:47am]SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker - do you know any other urgent bug which should be fixed on urgent basis?
[09:48am]PeterThoeny_:scanning...
[09:49am]PeterThoeny_:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6138 Item6138: Bulletted lists in form fields are not rendered properly
[09:49am]PeterThoeny_:this might be user error?
[09:50am]PeterThoeny_:or may be not
[09:50am]SopanShewale:looks like its error
[09:50am]PeterThoeny_:description is not that clear
[09:50am]PeterThoeny_:needs to be tested
[09:50am]PeterThoeny_:but i'd say we should not delay 4.3 for this fix
[09:50am]SopanShewale:ok - Added to "to test" list
[09:52am]PeterThoeny_:i have no other items
[09:52am]PeterThoeny_:---++ 2. Feature requests for Georgetown Release
[09:52am]SopanShewale:ok. let us discuss about kinosearch also here
[09:53am]PeterThoeny_:ok
[09:53am]SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/SearchEngineKinoSearchAddOnDev - we did not create the bug  - do you want to discuss that here
[09:53am]PeterThoeny_:sure
[09:53am]SopanShewale:Do we require proposal for this?
[09:53am]SopanShewale:The code is ready, i can checkin this anytime.
[09:54am]PeterThoeny_:no proposal needed for plugins
[09:55am]SopanShewale:ok.. then i will checkin the code in one or two days
[09:55am]PeterThoeny_:cool
[09:56am]SopanShewale:ok.. we can move to next item of agend
[09:56am]SopanShewale:ok.. we can move to next item of agenda
[09:56am]PeterThoeny_:well, any feature proposals to look at?
[09:56am]SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SmimeNotificationSupport
[09:57am]SopanShewale:Patch/Work is provided-testing is required (its time consuming stuff)
[09:57am]SopanShewale:This can make sending mails from WebNotify for tedious to setup etc....
[09:57am]SopanShewale:Patch/Work is provided-testing is required (its time consuming stuff) This can make sending mails from WebNotify  tedious to setup etc....
[09:58am]SopanShewale:i am not sure if we should include this in this release
[09:58am]PeterThoeny_:it is important that the default mail setup is easy
[09:59am]SopanShewale:yes.. creation of keys for administrator and keeping them in secrete place etc - testing is required and these are extra steps for administrators to make notification working
[09:59am]SopanShewale:this can be plugin - but should not be part of core twiki
[09:59am]PeterThoeny_:well, this only applies to admins who opt for smime setup
[10:00am]PeterThoeny_:as long as mail setup is easy for normal smtp we could add to 4.3 release
[10:01am]PeterThoeny_:if it turns out that there is a bug in smime code it can be fixed in a later release
[10:01am]SopanShewale:ok.. we can try testing it.. if it does not take much time - we can release during this release
[10:01am]PeterThoeny_:the only concern i have is if the the patch could introduce a bug in the regular smtp mail setup
[10:02am]SopanShewale:it should be independent of core code - so should not add any bug to core twiki
[10:04am]PeterThoeny_:i just glanced over the patch, looks safe, no impact on current functionality
[10:04am]PeterThoeny_:i think we can add it to 4.3
[10:04am]PeterThoeny_:i would not spend time on testing this
[10:04am]PeterThoeny_:possibly ask the contributor to help test, help write docs if needed
[10:05am]SopanShewale:ok
[10:05am]SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddFooterParameterToSEARCH
[10:05am]SopanShewale:easy to do
[10:05am]SopanShewale:i will take care of this
[10:05am]PeterThoeny_:back to smime
[10:06am]PeterThoeny_:there is no doc in the patch besides the configure stuff
[10:06am]SopanShewale:yes - no documentation - we need to request contributor
[10:06am]PeterThoeny_:some doc needs to be done where smtp setup is documented (twiki installation guide?)
[10:07am]SopanShewale:hmm.. if contributor does not have time - then we need to take care of this
[10:08am]SopanShewale:Peter - i can review the documents related to SMTP setup
[10:08am]PeterThoeny_:ok, i added a comment to the feature proposal asking timothe to add docs
[10:09am] Dae`` joined the chat room.
[10:09am]PeterThoeny_:hi Dae`` , welcome at the release meeting
[10:09am]SopanShewale:Hello Dae
[10:10am]PeterThoeny_:we finished the bug review
[10:10am]PeterThoeny_:now we are in the middle of feature proposal review
[10:10am]PeterThoeny_:what is your wikiname on twiki.org?
[10:11am]Dae``:hello guys
[10:11am]Dae``:I'm fairly new to twiki, I use SakariKaikkonen at twiki.org
[10:11am]Dae``:if memory serves me correct
[10:11am]PeterThoeny_:your name sounds finnish
[10:11am]Dae``:Yes.
[10:12am]Dae``:You are correct, sir
[10:12am]PeterThoeny_:i have been in helsinki on a biz trip a few years back
[10:13am]Dae``:oh, did you see Harri?
[10:13am]PeterThoeny_:was summer time fortunately
[10:13am]PeterThoeny_:yes
[10:13am]Dae``:oh great
[10:13am]PeterThoeny_:he came down from tempere to helsinki
[10:13am]Dae``:I hope you enjoyed helsinki and finland
[10:14am]PeterThoeny_:yes was fun
[10:14am]PeterThoeny_:i went for a day trip to talin
[10:14am]PeterThoeny_:anyway, back to review
[10:15am]Dae``:I look forward to it, and logs also.
[10:16am]PeterThoeny_:sopan, anything else on smime?
[10:16am]PeterThoeny_:not from me
[10:17am]SopanShewale:nope - i will review document regarding SMTP setup and track smime stuff
[10:17am]PeterThoeny_:ok
[10:17am]SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddFooterParameterToSEARCH
[10:17am]SopanShewale:this one is easy to achie - i will close this in one or two days
[10:17am]PeterThoeny_:that is a useful small enhancement
[10:18am]PeterThoeny_:cool
[10:18am]SopanShewale:yup
[10:18am]PeterThoeny_:thank you sopan
[10:18am]SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ControlOverVariableExpansion - this has huge content to go through
[10:18am]SopanShewale:this definitely requires more time to achieve
[10:19am]PeterThoeny_:this is actually already implemented in 4.2 release!
[10:19am]SopanShewale:i am worried about performance and might introduce bugs if we try to finish this quickly
[10:19am]SopanShewale:ah
[10:19am]PeterThoeny_:so, only doc is needed
[10:19am]PeterThoeny_:i will take care of doc changes
[10:19am]SopanShewale:ok.. quick question - what happens to the proposals when they are incorporated with the code?
[10:20am]PeterThoeny_:it was actually a small change, i do not think there is a performance impact but i did not do performance tests
[10:20am]PeterThoeny_:well, this proposal slipped through the release process
[10:20am]PeterThoeny_:is an exception
[10:21am]PeterThoeny_:it was accepted in a release meeting, i added the code
[10:22am]PeterThoeny_:but left it open because of pending doc changes
[10:22am]SopanShewale:good
[10:22am]PeterThoeny_:next?
[10:23am]SopanShewale:i think i am done with my list - do you have any other proposals for discusions
[10:24am]PeterThoeny_:no
[10:24am]PeterThoeny_:so, next agenda item?
[10:24am]SopanShewale:ah one about Mediawiki style links (red underline instead of questionmark
[10:24am]PeterThoeny_:ah, yes
[10:24am]PeterThoeny_:do we have a proposal page already?
[10:24am]SopanShewale:i have tested it on my test instance
[10:24am]SopanShewale:no - i have not created it
[10:25am]PeterThoeny_:do you want me to create proposal page?
[10:25am]SopanShewale:yes.. please
[10:25am]PeterThoeny_:ok, will do
[10:25am]SopanShewale:thx
[10:25am]PeterThoeny_:anything else on feature proposals?
[10:26am]SopanShewale:BTW - http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddGetUrlToTWikiFunc do you know the status of this
[10:26am]SopanShewale:this one is also heavily discussed before
[10:28am]PeterThoeny_:ah, that is an old one
[10:28am]PeterThoeny_:i do not recall if it is already released
[10:28am] user_corrupt joined the chat room.
[10:28am]PeterThoeny_:seems to be in trunk
[10:28am]SopanShewale:ok.. i will take care of his
[10:28am]PeterThoeny_:hi user_corrupt
[10:28am]user_corrupt:hello
[10:28am]SopanShewale:Hi User_Corrupt
[10:28am]PeterThoeny_:welcome to the release meeting
[10:29am]PeterThoeny_:we are almost done
[10:29am]PeterThoeny_:what is your twiki.org wikiname?
[10:30am]user_corrupt:i never did sign up....I'm just in the process of integrating twiki with a googlemap, and you helped me a lot, so I just thought I'd check this out, since I just happened across your message
[10:30am]PeterThoeny_:sopan, could you review the status of implementation o the geturl in func?
[10:30am]SopanShewale:yes.. i will take care of this Peter
[10:30am]PeterThoeny_:thanks sopan
[10:31am]PeterThoeny_:user_corrupt: i suggest you to sign up on twiki.org
[10:31am]user_corrupt:okey doke, will do
[10:31am]PeterThoeny_:that way you can ask support questions and run a query that shows all your questions
[10:31am]user_corrupt:i see, handy
[10:32am]SopanShewale:ok.. Peter - i am done with the list
[10:32am]PeterThoeny_:you could also add some tests in the sandbox web where people can help you out
[10:32am]PeterThoeny_:ok, net item
[10:32am]PeterThoeny_:next item
[10:32am]SopanShewale:ah.. name to next release?
[10:32am]PeterThoeny_:---++ Code Name after Georgetown
[10:33am]PeterThoeny_:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CodeName
[10:33am]PeterThoeny_:after "g" comes "h"
[10:33am]PeterThoeny_:there is a twisty toggle to show all capitals
[10:34am]SopanShewale:those should be capitals only, right?
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:big selection for "h"
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:Hanoi  Vietnam
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:Harare Zimbabwe
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:Havana Cuba
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:Helsinki Finland
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:Honiara Solomon Islands
[10:34am]PeterThoeny_:which one shall we pick?
[10:34am]SopanShewale:Helsinki
[10:35am]PeterThoeny_:i invite everyone here to suggest one
[10:35am]PeterThoeny_:or two
[10:35am]PeterThoeny_:Dae``, user_corrupt ?
[10:35am]SopanShewale:I suggest for [1]. Helsinki [2] Hanoi - next choice
[10:36am]Dae``:Helsinki
[10:36am]PeterThoeny_:dae, hmm, i would never have guessed you choice
[10:36am]Dae``:I play for Finland
[10:37am]Dae``:heh, exactly
[10:37am]PeterThoeny_:i'd go for hanoi or helsinki
[10:38am]PeterThoeny_:user_corrupt?
[10:39am]PeterThoeny_:helsinki going for once...
[10:39am]Dae``:hmm
[10:39am]PeterThoeny_:twice...
[10:39am]Dae``:Honolulu?
[10:40am]PeterThoeny_:hawaii is not a country
[10:40am]Dae``:sorry my geography ain't too good
[10:40am]Dae``:i guess it's part of US..
[10:40am]PeterThoeny_:yes
[10:40am]PeterThoeny_:ok, helsinki it is!
[10:40am]SopanShewale:Hawai is part of USA
[10:41am]Dae``:that would've fit wiki just so well
[10:41am]Dae``:well I'm pleased
[10:41am]PeterThoeny_:good point
[10:41am]SopanShewale:yes Helsinki sounds good - unless we want to have some relations with Tower of Hanoi
[10:42am]PeterThoeny_:hanoi sounds good too, and is short
[10:42am]PeterThoeny_:but we have many finnish users
[10:42am]SopanShewale:
[10:42am]PeterThoeny_:i'd like to add one more agenda item
[10:42am]PeterThoeny_:---++ TWiki 4.3 Branch
[10:43am]SopanShewale:whats that?
[10:43am]PeterThoeny_:when shall we branch out 4.3?
[10:43am]PeterThoeny_:as we discussed in last release meeting, we base 4.3 on 4.2 branch, not trunk
[10:44am]PeterThoeny_:so we need to branch out 4.3
[10:44am]SopanShewale:ah.. tomorrow - i can do that
[10:44am]PeterThoeny_:so that we can put in 4.3 features, such as smime
[10:44am]PeterThoeny_:ok, sounds good, is right timing
[10:45am]PeterThoeny_:that's all on my side
[10:45am]PeterThoeny_:anything else?
[10:45am]SopanShewale:i think thats all from my side too
[10:45am]PeterThoeny_:ok, thanks all for participating!
[10:45am]PeterThoeny_:i'll post the minutes
[10:46am]SopanShewale:thanks Peter
[10:46am]Dae``:logs will be in the releasemeeting topic?
[10:46am]PeterThoeny_:Dae`` and user_corrupt please feel free to participate next time
[10:46am]PeterThoeny_:yes dae
[10:46am]Dae``:Thank you guys. I can go lay down now to recover from my illness
[10:47am]user_corrupt:cool, thanks
[10:47am]Dae``:thanks peter and sopan
[10:47am]SopanShewale:Thanks Dae, User_corrupt
[10:47am]PeterThoeny_:Dae``: i wish you a speedy recovery!