Date: July 5, 2010 1:12:22 PM PDT Subject: IstanbulMeetingLog2010x07x05.txt [10: 04am]  peterthoeny joined the chat room. [10: 07am]  SopanShewae joined the chat room. [10: 07am] peterthoeny: hi sopan [10: 08am] SopanShewae: Good morning [10: 08am] peterthoeny: i am late this morning [10: 09am] peterthoeny: how was your weekend? [10: 11am] SopanShewae: Peter, I am on mobile, not on pc or laptop [10: 11am] peterthoeny: oic [10: 12am] peterthoeny: possible to work on pc/laptop? [10: 12am]  PeterJones joined the chat room. [10: 12am] peterthoeny: hi pete! [10: 12am] PeterJones: Hi , sorry Im late [10: 12am] peterthoeny: sopan has limited connectivity from mobile [10: 13am] peterthoeny: i just asked him if he can join from pc or laptop [10: 13am] peterthoeny: PeterJones:  no, sopan and i were late too, we did not yet start [10: 13am] peterthoeny: what's new in ch? [10: 14am] PeterJones: Its very hot here and everyone is ready for some holidays. Im off to WikiSym tomorrow [10: 14am] SopanShewae: Hmm,, I forgot powercord, so mobile [10: 16am] peterthoeny: without you sopan on pc where you can read links iy is not so good to do formal meeting [10: 17am] peterthoeny: shall we have informal chat? [10: 17am] peterthoeny: ah, wikisym in poland [10: 17am] peterthoeny: have fun! [10: 18am] SopanShewae: Yup, anyway, I can just read,  cant type fast [10: 18am] peterthoeny: i wish i could join, but budget and time question [10: 18am]  PeterJones2 joined the chat room. [10: 18am] PeterJones: Yes there is both WikiSym and WikiMania this week in Gdansk. I will attend just WikiSym for 3 days [10: 19am] peterthoeny: send my regards to dirk riehle [10: 19am] PeterJones: Ok [10: 19am] peterthoeny: program chair (is? was?) [10: 20am] PeterJones: Phoebe I think , but I need to checkout the all the details [10: 20am] peterthoeny: do you give a talk [10: 21am] PeterJones: No I wont give a talk but I attend a lot of OpenSpace meetings which is very interesting [10: 22am] peterthoeny: yes [10: 22am] peterthoeny: i like the openspace/unconference setup [10: 23am] PeterJones: There a few intesting talks but I get far more out of the open space meetings. [10: 24am] peterthoeny: on new features, i picked a few that were in the "waiting to be implemented" state [10: 24am] peterthoeny: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ReadWebTopicEditTemplateFromMAINWEB [10: 24am] peterthoeny: is mostly done [10: 24am] peterthoeny: implementation done [10: 24am] PeterJones: I have one down for recovering previous attachments versions but I have not made much progress [10: 25am] peterthoeny: doc for WebTopicEditTemplate done [10: 25am] peterthoeny: doc for other template topics pending [10: 26am] peterthoeny: pete, the attachment feature is a small but useful feature [10: 26am] peterthoeny: looking forward to see checkin activity [10: 26am] peterthoeny: let me know if i can help [10: 26am] peterthoeny: with spec questions, docs or the like [10: 26am]  plj_ joined the chat room. [10: 27am] peterthoeny: hi plj_, welcome! [10: 27am] PeterJones: PLJ is me [10: 27am] peterthoeny: oic [10: 27am] PeterJones: im having some IRC issues myself [10: 27am] peterthoeny: how far did you read? [10: 27am] plj_: hello [10: 28am] PeterJones: Sorry how far did I read? [10: 28am] peterthoeny: did you see all 6 lines i typed after your attachment comment? [10: 31am] peterthoeny: PeterJones, plj_:  are you there? [10: 31am] PeterJones: I will have to move on to the PLJ session, be right there [10: 31am] peterthoeny: ok [10: 33am] plj_: So for the Rollback feature the last thing I did was to add the feature specs as you requested [10: 33am] plj_: This is something that I can get myself into further during the summer months [10: 34am] peterthoeny: ok [10: 34am] peterthoeny: thanks [10: 34am] plj_: BTW, I have a student helping with some TWiki stuff and he is very quick [10: 35am] peterthoeny: looking forward to checkin activity [10: 35am] peterthoeny: good, new student, not alex? [10: 35am] plj_: An he is interested . He and Sopan have already spoken. [10: 35am] plj_: Alex left us in the spring. We use his work on access control. [10: 36am] plj_: The new student isnt full time with me but he seems to enjoy the Perl chanllenge [10: 36am] peterthoeny: good [10: 37am] peterthoeny: if you want you can introduce me by e-mail, i can send some pointers to twiki.org on how to get engaged [10: 38am] plj_: Ok , I will do that [10: 39am] peterthoeny: i will work on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RelativeHeadingLevelsforINCLUDE [10: 39am] peterthoeny: should be relatively easy to implement [10: 40am] peterthoeny: i am also working on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SetAndGetVariables [10: 40am] peterthoeny: sopan is working on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SetFlagtoChangePassword [10: 41am] peterthoeny: the force password change is a useful security enhancement [10: 41am] peterthoeny: spec looks good [10: 41am] peterthoeny: sopan, still here? [10: 42am] plj_: Peter what is the news on openid? [10: 42am] peterthoeny: openid is basically done [10: 43am] peterthoeny: ian should help me to get it installed on twiki.org [10: 43am] peterthoeny: it is deployed at a client site [10: 43am] peterthoeny: are you interested in using at cern? [10: 44am] plj_: Im intersted in anything that will help with authentication and access control [10: 45am] plj_: I guess Sopan wont be able to join in [10: 45am] peterthoeny: seems like [10: 46am]  plj__ joined the chat room. [10: 46am]  plj_ left the chat room. (Quit:  Konversation terminated!) [10: 47am] peterthoeny: sopan wrote on skype chat that he has issues with irc [10: 47am] peterthoeny: so no sopan today [10: 48am] plj__: Ok, would you like to continue? [10: 48am] peterthoeny: we can chat a bit more [10: 48am] peterthoeny: on features, we have many more that are ready to be implemented, and proposed ones [10: 49am] peterthoeny: i am asking around if folks could help out [10: 49am] peterthoeny: on new topmenuskin, i got mainly good feedback [10: 49am] peterthoeny: seems to improve navigation experience [10: 50am] peterthoeny: but one issue we had on twiki.org last month:  number o trial registrations declined [10: 50am] peterthoeny: the "create account" link was hidden in a menu [10: 51am] peterthoeny: over the weekend i created a "quick links" section on homepage [10: 51am] plj__: The top menu navigation does have its advantages. Some of my users would be confused with it though [10: 51am] peterthoeny: today we have many registrations again [10: 51am] peterthoeny: so this issue seems to be fixed [10: 51am] plj__: But I guess that this is configurable by web [10: 51am] peterthoeny: yes, you can configure by web [10: 52am] peterthoeny: i am interested in learning what is confusing so that we can improve the skin [10: 52am] peterthoeny: you can also customize the menus [10: 52am] peterthoeny: same like webleftbar customization [10: 53am] plj__: Some users dont like it even if I change the link color so this would be a radical change, [10: 53am] plj__: however some webs would welcome it. We have over 300 webs now [10: 55am] peterthoeny: wow [10: 55am] peterthoeny: what twiki version are you on now? [10: 55am] plj__: 4.3.2 and its quite stable. [10: 56am] peterthoeny: yes, 4.3.2 is very stable indeed [10: 56am] peterthoeny: 5.0.0 is also very stable, especially for a .0.0 release [10: 56am] plj__: I installed 5.0 and came across a few problems. [10: 56am] peterthoeny: as stable as pre-cro releases were [10: 57am] peterthoeny: oh, what kind? [10: 57am] plj__: I think that someof the plugins have issues with 5.0.0 [10: 59am] peterthoeny: ah [10: 59am] peterthoeny: please report issues in bug tracker [10: 59am] peterthoeny: so that we can fix offending plugins [11: 00am] peterthoeny: 5.0 is based on trunk, so there are many code changes under the hood [11: 00am] plj__: Yes ok, I had promised Sopan some input [11: 00am] peterthoeny: if plugins use non-api functions there is a good chance that they break [11: 01am] plj__: So we would need to go through them all [11: 01am] peterthoeny: i started to test plugins [11: 01am] peterthoeny: most are ok [11: 01am] peterthoeny: but yes, we need to test all that are used [11: 02am] plj__: I suppose the problem is that there are so many of them [11: 03am] peterthoeny: how many do you use at cern? [11: 04am] plj__: Quite a few 30odd I think [11: 04am] peterthoeny: ok [11: 05am] peterthoeny: i have to leave now [11: 05am] peterthoeny: thanks pete for stopping by [11: 05am] plj__: Ok speak to you again soon [11: 06am] peterthoeny: have fun at wikisym! [11: 06am] peterthoeny: and spread the word of twiki! [11: 06am] plj__: Ok I will [11: 06am] peterthoeny: last two month we had over 300 checkins each month [11: 06am] peterthoeny: much better docs [11: 06am] peterthoeny: new features in work [11: 07am] plj__: How many people contribute? [11: 07am] peterthoeny: not many [11: 07am] peterthoeny: i am still working on that [11: 08am] peterthoeny: today i meet julian cash who is well connected to the perl community, incl larry wall [11: 08am] peterthoeny: to discuss best way to get more contributors [11: 08am] plj__: That is good news [11: 09am] peterthoeny: gotta run [11: 09am] peterthoeny: ttyl pete! [11: 10am] plj__: see you [11: 11am]  plj__ left the chat room. 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