Date: October 12, 2009 11:12:07 AM PDT
Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2009x10x12.txt

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[10:01am] PeterJones:Good evening
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[10:03am] peterthoeny:hi PeterJones and SopanShewale
[10:03am] peterthoeny:sopan and i are in anotehr conf call, will wrap up in may be 5 min
[10:04am] PeterJones:OK
[10:06am] SopanShewale:Hi Peter Jones, Peter
[10:06am] SopanShewale:good morning
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[10:11am] SopanShewale:Hi Jordan - welcome
[10:12am] SopanShewale:Jordan - we are starting in one or two minutes... Peter and me are almost
wrapping-up another meeting
[10:13am] Jordan_:Ok fine
[10:14am] SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x10x12
[10:14am] peterthoeny:sorry for the delay
[10:14am]  peterthoeny changed the topic to
"http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x10x12".
[10:15am] peterthoeny:hi Jordan_
[10:15am] Jordan_:Hi Peter
[10:15am] peterthoeny:proposed agenda:
[10:15am] peterthoeny:# 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[10:15am] peterthoeny:# 2. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:15am] peterthoeny:# 3. Miscellaneous
[10:15am] peterthoeny:shall we add any item to agenda?
[10:16am]  starshine joined the chat room.
[10:16am] peterthoeny:hi starshine, welcome to the release meeting
[10:16am] SopanShewale:none from my side
[10:16am] starshine:thanks
[10:17am] peterthoeny:your are here for the first time, could you introduce yourself and tell how
you use twiki?
[10:17am] starshine:yes.  my name is Heather Stern, and as a consultant I find myself recommending
wiki for various purposes.  Twiki is very modular and serves people well
[10:18am] peterthoeny:i started twiki 11 years ago, deployed twiki at wind river in big style, now
with twiki inc
[10:18am] peterthoeny:oic, hi heather!
[10:18am] starshine:for myself I just find it nice that it's in perl and lets people mix html in
[10:19am] peterthoeny:heather and i know each other for many years, local in silicon valley
[10:19am] SopanShewale:Hi heather
[10:19am] peterthoeny:sopan and peter j could you give a one para intro?
[10:19am] peterthoeny:jordan as well?
[10:20am] SopanShewale:one para..thats big one  - I am Sopan Shewale - active on TWiki community
since long time... has used TWiki to setup knowledge Management infrastructure
[10:20am] peterthoeny:ok, one sentence :-0
[10:20am] peterthoeny:
[10:21am] peterthoeny:sopan was with persistent where he used/deployed twiki, now with twiki inc
[10:22am] peterthoeny:---++ 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[10:23am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals
[10:24am] peterthoeny:proposals where 14 day rule applies:
[10:24am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SessionManagement
[10:24am] peterthoeny:sopan, as discussed last time, we need a spec
[10:24am] SopanShewale:yes.. i missed documenting it
[10:25am] peterthoeny:and a date of commitment
[10:25am] SopanShewale:i have those on my plate .. i should finish in next week
[10:26am] peterthoeny:for those new, our release management process is documented at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess
[10:26am] SopanShewale:expect me to document in before next release meeting
[10:26am] peterthoeny:thank you sopan
[10:27am] peterthoeny:no proposals are marked as ready for release meeting
[10:27am] peterthoeny:many accepted proposals, e.g. ready to be implemented
[10:28am] SopanShewale:Need some more time on skin separation in directories ..
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddSkinDirToTemplatePath
[10:28am] peterthoeny:starshine and Jordan_: as a quick summary on release process, we make it as
light as possible. basically anyone can propose a new feature, it gets discussed, if accepted by
consensus it can be checked in after a 14 day review window
[10:29am] Jordan_:ok
[10:29am] starshine:nod
[10:29am] peterthoeny:i will
 handle http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DontExposeTWikiRootAsHtmlDocRoot - to do for me
[10:30am] SopanShewale:ok
[10:31am] peterthoeny:all: please scan over the list of "Accepted proposals waiting to be
implemented" and let us know which one to discuss here
[10:32am] peterthoeny:same with " Parked Feature Proposals"
[10:32am] starshine:I would enjoy twiki as docroot, if you need someone to help test it let me
know
[10:33am] peterthoeny:thanks starshine
[10:33am] starshine:would shorter url support happen as part of same effort?
[10:33am] peterthoeny:actually, right now by default, twiki is a doc root
[10:34am] starshine:yes it is but the cgipath is very visible to people
[10:34am] peterthoeny:for security, we plan to have only 2 dirs exposed: twiki/pub as doc root,
and twiki/bin as cgi
[10:34am] starshine:I think they mean for it to *look* like a doc root, so people maybe wouldn't
need to know it's a wiki just to leap in to a page without a bookmark
[10:35am] starshine:e.g http://example.org/CoolPage instead of
http://example.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/CoolPage
[10:35am] peterthoeny:shorter url (already documented) is out of scope of this one
[10:36am] starshine:ok.
[10:37am] peterthoeny:last week heather and talked about simplifying skin creation
[10:37am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SimplifySkinCreation
[10:38am] starshine:yes, I plan to take it in small bites
[10:38am] SopanShewale:good
[10:38am] peterthoeny:heather, you can get svn access
[10:38am] starshine:first I apply skins we already have, then I colorize them, make up script
to "generate" same skin colorized
[10:38am] peterthoeny:we have a process for getting svn access
[10:38am] starshine:ok
[10:39am] starshine:nod, url for procedure is under Codev I assume?
[10:39am] peterthoeny:how to get started as a developer:
[10:39am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SoYouWantToBeATWikiDeveloper
[10:39am] starshine:
[10:39am] PeterJones:Im a little late here. The current TWiki release shows many warnings on the
w3c html validator. Any plans to clean up the CSS and HTML?
[10:40am] peterthoeny:main doc to request svn access is linked from there
[10:40am] peterthoeny:here is the direct link:
[10:40am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RequestAccessToSubversion
[10:40am] starshine:Hmm, could be good side effect of me looking at the skins, probably fourth or
fifth effect though
[10:41am] SopanShewale:PeterJ.. please raise the bug..i can help you -- may be because of some
thing missing
[10:42am] SopanShewale:i am also in process of fixing test cases.. which are suppose to test
WYSIWYG stuff
[10:42am] PeterJones:OK
[10:43am] peterthoeny:time check: +43 min
[10:43am] peterthoeny:shall we move to next agenda item?
[10:44am] peterthoeny:---++ 2. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:44am] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:44am] peterthoeny:i think we are in pretty good shape here
[10:45am] peterthoeny:sopan, as release manager, anything you'd like to highlight?
[10:47am] peterthoeny:sopan, are you here?
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[10:47am] peterthoeny:ah, network issue
[10:48am] peterthoeny:what was the last you saw sopan?
[10:48am] SopanShewale1:not really..my kids
[10:48am] SopanShewale1:you were discussing about skin items..
[10:48am] SopanShewale1:i dont have prev log
[10:49am] peterthoeny:we are now on bug review
[10:49am] starshine:peter encouraged me to seek svn access and gave me URLs.
[10:49am] SopanShewale1:ah.. ok
[10:49am] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:49am] peterthoeny:sopan, as release manager, anything you'd like to highlight?
[10:50am] SopanShewale1:kinosearch was released recently
[10:50am] peterthoeny:yes, kinosearch is very useful in enterprise deployment
[10:51am] SopanShewale1:There are a few more bugs raised recently..need to spend some time to
set proper priority
[10:51am] SopanShewale1:and confirm on bugs
[10:51am] peterthoeny:and the new office 2007 support (docx, xlsx, pptx) is good
[10:51am] peterthoeny:ok
[10:51am] peterthoeny:nothing to highlight right now?
[10:51am] SopanShewale1:nope
[10:52am] PeterJones:Sopan , have you tries Kino earch on a very large site. We tried the old
version and it took a week to make the index
[10:53am] SopanShewale1:hmm... i tried that with sufficiently large site (one year before)
[10:53am] starshine:a week!
[10:53am] SopanShewale1:now i dont have access to very large site...:)
[10:54am] SopanShewale1:you planning to install PeterJones?
[10:54am] peterthoeny:kinosearch is not perfect
[10:54am] peterthoeny:has some quirks that need to be worked out
[10:54am] peterthoeny:sopan found a good doc on improving performance of kinos search
[10:55am] peterthoeny:time check: +55 min
[10:55am] SopanShewale1:The main problem with Kinosearch or Plucene..they are not very good
Perl Ports... They are suppose to be Perl Ports of Lucene... but no one is very close to Lucene
[10:55am] SopanShewale1:We seriously need something like Lucene.. but Perl community is not
active on porting this correctly
[10:56am] SopanShewale1:By the way.. i am also tracking Clucene.. which is C port of Lucene..
it seems to be active.. but will take some time to develope something for TWiki
[10:56am] starshine:even Lucene for python based wiki was not perfect
[10:56am] SopanShewale1:true StarrShine
[10:57am] PeterJones:We can try it again now that you have upgraded this
[10:57am] SopanShewale1:please give a try PeterJ.. and let us know the results...i count 1 hrs
for 10K (topics+attachments of reasonable size)
[10:58am] peterthoeny:i don't think sopan worked on performance tuning
[10:58am] SopanShewale1:that was my old experience... while at Persistent
[10:59am] peterthoeny:next agenda item?
[10:59am] peterthoeny:---++ 3. Miscellaneous
[11:00am] peterthoeny:i have one: vote for twiki at e2.0
[11:00am] peterthoeny:twiki will have a booth at enterprise 2.0 in san francisco in nov
[11:00am] peterthoeny:twiki got selected as a quarter-finalist at the enterprise 2.0 conference
launchpad contest
[11:00am] peterthoeny:the launchpad is looking for innovative applications to feature at the
conference
[11:01am] peterthoeny:we created a video to support voting
[11:01am] peterthoeny:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_NimstdDqs
[11:01am] PeterJones:I just voted
[11:01am] peterthoeny:voting is at http://launchpad.e2conf.com/vote-now/
[11:01am] peterthoeny:thank you pete!
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[11:02am] peterthoeny:please spread the word
[11:02am] peterthoeny:voting is only a few days
[11:02am] peterthoeny:ends this wed
[11:03am] peterthoeny:out of the 8 finalists, 4 can demo
[11:03am] peterthoeny:so we have a good chance
[11:03am] peterthoeny:anything else?
[11:04am] SopanShewale1:nothing from me
[11:05am] peterthoeny:if not let's close the release meeting and continue at #twiki
[11:05am] PeterJones:Anyone going to WikiSym?
[11:05am] peterthoeny:i really wanted to go, but can't
[11:05am] peterthoeny:i am already overcommitted
[11:06am] peterthoeny:are you?
[11:06am] peterthoeny:i mean, are you going pete?
[11:08am] peterthoeny:ok, thanks all!
[11:08am] peterthoeny:please continue in #twiki
[11:09am] peterthoeny:i will post the log