Date: September 28, 2009 11:28:07 AM PDT Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2009x09x28.txt [10:02am]  peterthoeny rejoined the room. [10:02am] PeterJones:Hi peter [10:03am] peterthoeny:hi pete [10:03am] peterthoeny:let me grab a cup of earl gray [10:03am] PeterJones:OK [10:03am]  SopanShewale joined the chat room. [10:07am] peterthoeny:...back [10:07am] peterthoeny:hi sopan [10:07am] SopanShewale:hi [10:07am] peterthoeny:what's new in switzerland pete? [10:07am] SopanShewale:give me 2 mins [10:08am] peterthoeny:my daughter likes it in zug, but she is struggling with german at school [10:10am] PeterJones:hi sorry, something came up. I suppose the German in zug is quite special? [10:11am] SopanShewale:hi [10:11am] SopanShewale:sorry..was busy with family [10:11am] SopanShewale:How are you? [10:11am] peterthoeny:well, the kanti in zug teaches in high german [10:11am] peterthoeny:e.g. standard written german [10:12am] peterthoeny:my daughter understands swiss german, but has to catch up to speak it, and understand, speak and write high german [10:12am]  Jordan joined the chat room. [10:12am]  You changed the topic to "http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x09x28". [10:13am] Jordan:hello guys [10:13am] peterthoeny:meeting minutes are at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x09x28 [10:13am] Jordan:some one there to help me out [10:13am] peterthoeny:hi jordan [10:13am] Jordan:not sure if it is the right forum [10:13am] peterthoeny:welcome [10:13am] Jordan:but i am badly stuck [10:13am] PeterJones:I am in teh french speaking part but I can notice there are great differences between Sweiz deutch and high german [10:13am] peterthoeny:yes there is [10:14am] peterthoeny:Jordan: you are welcome to participate in the release meeting [10:14am] PeterJones:Hi Kordan, whats ther issue? [10:14am] Jordan:Thanks [10:14am] peterthoeny:if you have a twiki installation/deployment question it is better to ask in #twiki [10:14am] Jordan:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/SID-00541 [10:15am] Jordan:i already did 2 days back but not much of help [10:15am] Jordan:did you guys got the link [10:16am] peterthoeny:yes, and i replied yesterday [10:17am] Jordan:yeah i tried all of what ever you said but still it is the same [10:17am] peterthoeny:please ask for support in the #twiki channel and provide details in the support forum [10:17am] Jordan:twiki channel no one is responding [10:17am] peterthoeny:proposed agenda: [10:17am] peterthoeny:# 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release [10:17am] peterthoeny:# 2. Review Urgent Bugs [10:17am] peterthoeny:# 4. Miscellaneous [10:17am] peterthoeny:anything to add [10:17am] peterthoeny:? [10:17am] PeterJones:Jordan , i have added to the that question. lets deal with it there [10:18am] Jordan:sure .. Thanks .. hoping to use the great product [10:18am] PeterJones:I 4. I have an issue with teh Support forum. Its a details and can be added at the end if thee is time [10:19am] peterthoeny:Jordan: twiki is open source, anyone can use it for free. open source does not necessarily mean free & immediate support. consider getting professional help by consultants or twiki inc if you need help in a timely manner [10:19am] Jordan:yeah i am aware of that. [10:19am] peterthoeny:open source is about taking and giving back [10:20am] peterthoeny:---++ 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release [10:20am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals [10:21am] peterthoeny:the section "Proposals where 14-day rule applies" needs to be cleaned up [10:21am] SopanShewale:I have spent some time last week on Session - separation and finding issues/documentations stuff of Authentication and UserMapping [10:22am] peterthoeny:good [10:22am] SopanShewale:this is apart from FeatureProposal.. [10:22am] SopanShewale:we desparately need good documentation on UserMapping and Authentication  etc [10:22am] SopanShewale:also we need to separate session management from current mix.. sounds [10:23am] PeterJones:Sopan, are you working in teh future? -1 days ago [10:23am] peterthoeny:it would be helful for all to have the spec documented at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SessionManagement [10:23am] SopanShewale:sounds some crazy stuff around these files.. or may be i am not able to understand the way its being implemented [10:23am] SopanShewale: [10:23am] PeterJones:Any work on userMapping is welcome. Alex is working on that on our side. [10:24am] SopanShewale:good to know that, Peter [10:24am] SopanShewale:end of my messages [10:25am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CsrfFixUsingToken is done, can be closed? [10:25am] SopanShewale:>>good to know that, Peter<< this was for PeterJ [10:25am] peterthoeny:is all done in trunk as well? [10:26am] SopanShewale:yes..thats done in trunk too.. checked in code after testing, last friday [10:26am] peterthoeny:cool [10:27am] SopanShewale:will change the feature-status later today [10:28am] peterthoeny:i closed CsrfFixUsingToken [10:28am] SopanShewale:Session stuff.. i will update the spec once i am in good postion to advice/document Authentication/UserMapping/cUID etc [10:28am] peterthoeny:ok [10:29am] peterthoeny:what shall we do with http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddAngleBracketsToFormatTokens ? [10:29am] SopanShewale:other proposals.. http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddAngleBracketsToFormatTokens - anything happening on this? [10:30am] SopanShewale:ah.. ok.. you are on the same [10:30am] peterthoeny:looks like consensus reached [10:30am] peterthoeny:let me change status [10:31am] peterthoeny:and send e-mail to thomasweigert [10:33am] peterthoeny:section: Proposals with concern raised (14 day rule does not apply) [10:33am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/FormattedSearchPatternAndCountContext [10:33am] peterthoeny:no committed developer [10:33am] peterthoeny:shall we park it? [10:34am] SopanShewale:let us park it [10:35am] peterthoeny:done [10:36am] peterthoeny:section: Feature Proposals Ready For Release Meeting [10:36am] peterthoeny:none [10:36am] peterthoeny:section: Accepted proposals waiting to be implemented [10:36am] peterthoeny:many! [10:37am] peterthoeny:let's scan over this list and see which item is 1. interesting to implement, 2. good fit for twiki mission [10:38am] peterthoeny:AddUserToGroupsOnRegistration is a frequently requested feature [10:38am] SopanShewale:that will be time consuming excercise in the release meeting [10:38am] peterthoeny:let's just highlight some [10:39am] peterthoeny:and see if we can raise interest in implementing a feature [10:39am] SopanShewale:may be let us do it in offline.. and update the discussion..then status [10:39am] PeterJones:CloneTopicLinkUnderMore is often requested [10:39am] PeterJones:I have an implenetation for CloneTopicLinkUnderMore tat does not include copying attachments [10:40am] peterthoeny:let's spend a few min and list the accepted feature proposal we are interested in [10:40am] SopanShewale:ok [10:40am] peterthoeny:i'm interested in DontExposeTWikiRootAsHtmlDocRoot [10:41am] SopanShewale:PeterJ.. do you want to contribute back -ClineTopic.... may be we can integrate with TWiki [10:41am] peterthoeny:ParameterizedVariables looks interesting, useful for building twiki apps [10:42am] peterthoeny:PreferencesForRawEditOrWysiwygEdit is implemented but still in the list [10:42am] PeterJones:I will follow up the Clone option tomorrow [10:42am] SopanShewale:sure [10:42am] peterthoeny:PeterJones: thanks for implementing PreferencesForRawEditOrWysiwygEdit [10:43am] peterthoeny:i noticed that it is a bit hard to discover the feature [10:43am] PeterJones:I have that running and it works well. [10:43am] SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddSkinDirToTemplatePath - working on this - not difficult to achieve.. [10:43am] peterthoeny:could you look if it can be documented in twikipreferences and (not sure if needed) in user homepage template? [10:43am] PeterJones:An option could be added to the user home page after registration [10:44am] PeterJones:My experience with th users is that the home page would have better visibility. [10:45am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CloneTopicLinkUnderMore - i think this is implemented? [10:46am] peterthoeny:sorry, false alarm, not yet [10:47am] peterthoeny:it is already possible to clone topics on app level, such as the meetingminutes app [10:47am] peterthoeny:but there is one issue: attachments are not carried over when cloning a topic [10:47am] peterthoeny:but attachment meta data is [10:48am] PeterJones:I handled from http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Support/CloneTopic [10:48am] peterthoeny:e.g. new topic is in an inconsistent state [10:50am] peterthoeny:ok, i added links to point between CloneTopicLinkUnderMore and CloneTopic [10:50am] peterthoeny:PeterJones: this looks like a useful enhancement [10:50am] peterthoeny:would be nice if you drive this [10:51am] peterthoeny:put your name as committed developer in http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CloneTopicLinkUnderMore and start implementing [10:52am] peterthoeny:i have no more items i want to highlight in section "Accepted proposals waiting to be implemented" [10:52am] peterthoeny:anyone? [10:53am] PeterJones:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/MultiStoreRefactor sounds good [10:53am] peterthoeny:yes, that is interesting [10:53am] peterthoeny:a bigger project [10:53am] PeterJones:USefull for sites with very large webs and very small webs [10:53am] peterthoeny:relevant when we start working on database backend [10:54am] peterthoeny:there are many "Parked Feature Proposals", some are useful too [10:55am] peterthoeny:also, please submit new feature proposals if you have [10:55am] peterthoeny:anything else on feature proposals? [10:55am] SopanShewale:not from my side at this moment [10:55am] peterthoeny:PeterJones? [10:55am] Jordan:BTW do you have plans of using a database? [10:56am] PeterJones:Nothing more for me [10:56am] peterthoeny:Jordan: we are looking for a sponsor to finance that [10:56am] peterthoeny:---++ 2. Review Urgent Bugs [10:56am] peterthoeny:sopan? [10:56am] Jordan:oh.. i liked this product coz its not using one .. may be you can have two versions [10:56am] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker [10:56am] Jordan:one with db and without [10:57am] peterthoeny:sopan, anything you want to highlight? [10:57am] SopanShewale:not today.. fixed csrf and tinymceplugin last week for trunk [10:57am] peterthoeny:Jordan: yes, that is the idea, a pluggable storage backend, with flat file/rcs or db [10:58am] Jordan:wow [10:58am] Jordan:thats great [10:58am] Jordan:may be I should get involved with you guys.. [10:58am] peterthoeny:good, it is important to keep trunk and 4.3 branch in sync to avoid gotchas later on [10:58am] SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6333 - was looking at that [10:58am] Jordan:have some commitments else i would have jumped right away [10:59am] peterthoeny:Jordan: do you know perl? [10:59am] SopanShewale:yes [10:59am] Jordan:yes ... I did some scripting in it [10:59am] peterthoeny:nice [10:59am] Jordan:but do not have a formal learning exprience [10:59am] peterthoeny:you can start with something easier, then learn more about twiki an work on more complex stuff later [11:00am] peterthoeny:good way to get started is to implement a new feature in a plugin, and to help fix bugs [11:00am] SopanShewale:no bug items from me today for discussion [11:00am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Plugins/ReadmeFirst has info and link on how to get started with plugin dev [11:00am] Jordan:Yes I will surely think of it, As I said once I am done with my current commitments [11:01am] peterthoeny:what timezone are you in Jordan? [11:01am] Jordan:IST [11:01am] Jordan:Indian Standard Time [11:01am] peterthoeny:ah [11:01am] Jordan:GMT + 5:30 [11:01am] peterthoeny:so is sopan [11:01am] Jordan:oh great [11:01am] peterthoeny:sopan is in pune [11:01am] Jordan:I am in Bangalore [11:02am] SopanShewale:cool [11:03am] Jordan:I was about to search to find if india has a contributor group or some sort of community that is working with twiki .. got Sopan so I wont now [11:04am] SopanShewale:sure.. you can catch me.... and hope you finance database backend too [11:04am] peterthoeny: [11:04am] peterthoeny:anything else on urgent bugs? [11:04am] peterthoeny:next item? [11:04am] Jordan:ha ha I still work for someone... [11:04am] peterthoeny:time check: +65 min [11:05am] peterthoeny:---++ 3. Miscellaneous [11:05am] peterthoeny:anything? [11:06am] SopanShewale:nothing from my side [11:07am] peterthoeny:also nothing on my side [11:07am] PeterJones:I have 1 small issue with teh Support web. I get kicked off permission denied [11:07am] peterthoeny:Jordan: could you quickly introduce yourself? [11:08am] PeterJones:when I first try and add to a Support question. If I go back in the browser and try again it sometimes works. Could be a problem with teh template? [11:09am] Jordan:I am Jordan. I am working on as a consultant with Motorola Bangalore. I work on all platforms, and experimenting with new stuff is my hobby and thats how I got into twiki.. trying to setup one [11:10am] peterthoeny:PeterJones: likely you have not been authenticated when you submitted a form in the support web [11:10am] peterthoeny:twiki.org has an older security patch, where auth-after-form-submit fails [11:10am] Jordan:I have aroudn 8 yr of exprience in the IT industry [11:11am] peterthoeny:we need to upgrade twiki.org to latest version and that problem will go away [11:11am] PeterJones:ok [11:11am] peterthoeny:Jordan: motorola has several large twiki installations [11:11am] Jordan:Well I am not so sure [11:12am] Jordan:I have just joined them for some 3 months of work [11:12am] Jordan:I didnt come across one, but yes some one said they use it. [11:12am] peterthoeny:are you an independent consultant or with a consulting fir? [11:12am] peterthoeny:firm? [11:13am] Jordan:I am a employee of Integra Micro Software Services [11:13am] Jordan:Bangalore [11:15am] peterthoeny:you could list yourself at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiConsultants if interested and once you are familiar with twiki [11:15am] Jordan:yes, let me get a hands on first and see the current code [11:15am] Jordan:then I will see where I can contribute [11:16am] peterthoeny:cool! [11:16am] peterthoeny:ok, i think we are done with the release meeting [11:16am] peterthoeny:thanks all! [11:16am] peterthoeny:i'll update the meeting topic and post the log [11:16am] SopanShewale:thx Peter's - bye [11:16am] Jordan:Thanks Peter [11:17am] peterthoeny:bye [11:17am] Jordan:how often this release meeting happens [11:17am] PeterJones:bye [11:18am]  PeterJones left the chat room. ("Java user signed off") [11:18am] SopanShewale:its Bi-Weekly [11:18am] Jordan:ok [11:18am] Jordan:i will also try to joing from now on