Date: August 17, 2009 12:27:10 PM PDT
Subject: HelsinkiMeetingLog2009x08x17.txt

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[10:04am] peterthoeny:hi pete
[10:04am] PeterJones9:Hi Peter
[10:04am]  PeterThoeny changed the topic to
"http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x08x17".
[10:05am] peterthoeny:brb...
[10:05am] PeterJones9:Ok I have the page
[10:10am] peterthoeny:...back
[10:11am]  SopanShewale joined the chat room.
[10:11am] peterthoeny:what's new in switzerland
[10:11am] peterthoeny:hi sopan
[10:11am] SopanShewale:Hi Peter.. so sorry .. was busy with kids/dinner
[10:11am] PeterJones9:Hello Sopan.
[10:12am] SopanShewale:Hi PeterJones...
[10:12am] PeterJones9:Bon App kids
[10:12am] SopanShewale:yes
[10:13am] SopanShewale:so where are we?
[10:13am] SopanShewale:BTW - PeterJ.. i have checkedin your development regarding wysiwyg preferences
[10:13am] peterthoeny:have have not started yet
[10:14am] peterthoeny:milind is also going to join us
[10:14am] SopanShewale:good
[10:14am] PeterJones9:Sopan, i saw the emil but was off ill last week. You were satisfied with my
changes?
[10:14am] SopanShewale:yes  good job
[10:16am] SopanShewale:any thing new you taking Peter?
[10:16am] peterthoeny:ok, i helped out milind
[10:16am] peterthoeny:no, still issue with irc
[10:17am] peterthoeny:wait, i help him out more...
[10:17am] SopanShewale:any thing new you taking Peter? PeterJ
[10:19am]  milindpansare joined the chat room.
[10:20am] PeterJones9:I have been taking some drugs recently
[10:20am] peterthoeny:welcome milind, it worked
[10:20am] SopanShewale: health issues
[10:20am] PeterJones9:but for medicinal puposes of course
[10:20am] SopanShewale:Pune is panic on swine flue
[10:20am] milindpansare:Hi everyone
[10:20am] SopanShewale:Hi Milind
[10:21am] milindpansare:Hi sopan
[10:21am] peterthoeny:meeting agenda is at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/HelsinkiReleaseMeeting2009x08x17
[10:21am] peterthoeny:# 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[10:21am] peterthoeny:# 2. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:21am] peterthoeny:# 3. TWiki 4.3.2 Patch Release
[10:21am] peterthoeny:# 4. Download Page Redesign
[10:21am] peterthoeny:# 5. Miscellaneous
[10:21am] peterthoeny:anything to add?
[10:21am] peterthoeny:btw i have a hard stop at +60 min
[10:21am] peterthoeny:e.g. in about 40 min
[10:22am] SopanShewale:good
[10:22am] peterthoeny:sopan, you have a hard stop b/c of your kids
[10:22am] PeterJones9:Ok with me
[10:22am] peterthoeny:---++ 1. Feature requests for Helsinki Release
[10:23am] peterthoeny:we have none listed at
http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#ProposalsReadyForReleaseMeeting
[10:23am] peterthoeny:any of the other ones on that page we should look at?
[10:23am] SopanShewale:We have 2 new proposals
[10:24am] SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/SessionManagement
[10:24am] SopanShewale:and other is http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/CsrfFixUsingToken
[10:25am] peterthoeny:on session mgmnt, are you suggesting to create a new login manager that
ships with twiki?
[10:25am] SopanShewale:sort of yes
[10:26am] peterthoeny:try to stay compatible with current login manager api
[10:27am] peterthoeny:i find this a good idea
[10:27am] PeterJones9:I like this idea. SSO would benifit
[10:27am] peterthoeny:easier sso integration is good
[10:28am] peterthoeny:could you describe (later) in proposal page some more details?
[10:28am] PeterJones9:We had implemented SSO using shibd in a cluster with Oracle to store sessions
[10:28am] SopanShewale:yes.. i will try that.. i am more interested to have Database option to
store the sessions
[10:28am] PeterJones9:The pro side was that TWiki could run in a cluster and users would not lose
tokens
[10:28am] SopanShewale:yes..
[10:29am] PeterJones9:However there is an extra point of failure and heavy use caused shibd to die
and so we have shleved this iplementation
[10:30am] peterthoeny:shibd is shibboleth daemon?
[10:30am]  khnz joined the chat room.
[10:30am] peterthoeny:hi khnz, welcome to the release meeting?
[10:30am] peterthoeny:what is your twiki.org username?
[10:31am] peterthoeny:sopan: on csrf fix, i have this on my to to list to review the fix
[10:31am] SopanShewale:yes..we need to work on this by considering all aspects..
[10:31am] khnz:hi, good question. RobertGerlach I think.
[10:32am] SopanShewale:yes...thanks Peter
[10:32am] peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/RobertGerlach
[10:32am] SopanShewale:we need to have long meeting for review purposes - sometime this week
[10:32am] peterthoeny:ein berliner
[10:32am] peterthoeny:willkommen!
[10:33am] khnz:right,
[10:33am] peterthoeny:ok, anything else on proposed features?
[10:33am] PeterJones9:not for me
[10:33am] peterthoeny:---++ 2. Review Urgent Bugs
[10:33am] SopanShewale:none from my side
[10:34am] peterthoeny:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker
[10:34am] peterthoeny:sopan, anything you'd like to cover?
[10:34am] SopanShewale:working on - http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6276
-thats related to commentsplugin
[10:35am] peterthoeny:we discussed most of them last time
[10:35am] peterthoeny:we are in relatively good shape for a new patch relase
[10:35am] SopanShewale:and also working on kinosearch plugin... ... created pptx2txt.. will be
adding that soon in kinosearch
[10:35am] peterthoeny:Item6276: cannot specify percentBRpercent for newline value
[10:36am] SopanShewale:yes..that will be simple
[10:36am] peterthoeny:sopan, thanks for working on docx, pptx support
[10:36am] peterthoeny:what is plan for xlsx?
[10:37am] SopanShewale:yes.. there will be one more xlsx2txt too....
[10:37am] SopanShewale:i have already created projects in sf.net for these tools
[10:37am] SopanShewale:i will be adding these tools
[10:38am] peterthoeny:cool!
[10:38am] SopanShewale:i think we covered most bugs last time
[10:39am] peterthoeny:---++ 3. TWiki 4.3.2 Patch Release
[10:39am]  milindpansare_ joined the chat room.
[10:39am] peterthoeny:4.3.1 was released on 2009-04-29
[10:39am] PeterJones9:Hi Milind
[10:40am] peterthoeny:we have the csrf fix the should be rolled out soon
[10:40am] SopanShewale:hmm.. more than 2 monrha now
[10:40am] SopanShewale:s/monrha/months/
[10:40am] peterthoeny:yes, it's time to release a new patch release
[10:40am] PeterJones9:Is there a link for 4.3.2 ?
[10:41am] peterthoeny:we have to create it first
[10:41am] peterthoeny:sopan: should we create an rc for 4.3.1?
[10:41am] peterthoeny:usually we do not for patch releases
[10:42am] SopanShewale:yes..
[10:42am] peterthoeny:but since the csrf fix touches many parts of the code it might make sense
to release first a release candidate?
[10:42am] milindpansare_:Hi Peter (Jones)
[10:43am] SopanShewale:peter: i am prepared to create rc next week
[10:43am] peterthoeny:besides reviewing the csrf fix, any other dependencies before we can roll
4.3.2-rc1?
[10:44am] peterthoeny:we will also have some wysiwyg enhancements
[10:44am] SopanShewale:comment plugin fix...
[10:44am] peterthoeny:yes, that is a good one
[10:44am] SopanShewale:and yes.. wysiwyg enhancment
[10:45am] peterthoeny:i'd say, that one is a nice to have fix for 4.3.2, e.g. let's not delay
release of commentplugin fix is not ready
[10:45am] peterthoeny:as for timing, can we shoot for:
[10:45am] SopanShewale:ok
[10:45am] peterthoeny:rc1: early next week
[10:46am] peterthoeny:production: end of next week or weekend?
[10:46am] SopanShewale:sounds good Peter
[10:47am] peterthoeny:ok
[10:47am] SopanShewale:production next weekend
[10:47am] peterthoeny:anything else on 4.3.2 planning?
[10:47am] SopanShewale:are we going to bother about localization?
[10:48am] peterthoeny:may be not needed this time
[10:48am] peterthoeny:any changes in english strings?
[10:48am] SopanShewale:nope
[10:48am] peterthoeny:in this case not needed
[10:49am] SopanShewale:ok
[10:49am] peterthoeny:e.g. we don;t need to ask translators to review translations
[10:49am] peterthoeny:---++ 4. Download Page Redesign
[10:49am] SopanShewale:ok
[10:49am] peterthoeny:time check: +50 min, 10 more min
[10:51am] peterthoeny:milind, please go ahead
[10:51am] milindpansare_:Can I bring up the download page redesign topic now ?
[10:51am] milindpansare_:Just by way of introduction, I joined twiki.net as VP Mrketing a month ago.
[10:52am] SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/DownloadTWiki
[10:52am] milindpansare_:I was a user and fan of Twiki at Sun before this, where I led the worldwide
partner program
[10:52am] milindpansare_:So the objectives for why I propose we tweak the current download page are:
[10:53am] milindpansare_:1. We should, as the twiki.org community, have a much better picture of
who's downloading and using twiki ?
[10:53am] milindpansare_:2. We should continue to safeguard privacy for those who do not wish to be
identified
[10:54am] milindpansare_:3. We should have a relatively frictionless download of the community
developed twiki
[10:55am] milindpansare_:4. We need to also balance in when users should use the certified twiki
subscription from twiki.net versus the community free version
[10:55am] milindpansare_:A good model that I was introduced to to balance this was when MySQL
merged, and I spent some time talking with Martne and others at MySQL on this....
[10:56am] milindpansare_:http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/
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[10:56am] milindpansare_:What do you all think of the objectives (pause from frenetic typing here
[10:57am] peterthoeny:
[10:57am] peterthoeny:master typist
[10:57am] milindpansare_:two finger typing at its best
[10:57am] peterthoeny:from company perspective we'd like to ask to get some more prominent coverage
on the download page
[10:58am] peterthoeny:to make it easier for commercially minded people to find twiki.
[10:58am] peterthoeny:...to find twiki.net products
[10:58am] SopanShewale:Milind - you mean.. the people who download packages..there names should
also be displayed on the download page?
[10:58am] milindpansare_:Sopan, no, nobody's names will be displayed on the download page...
[10:58am] peterthoeny:in return, more business for twiki means more support for the community,
e.g. the company is able to contribute more back and to hire consultants to work on new features
and bug fixes
[11:00am] milindpansare_:MySQL (and many other communities that balnce open source and commercial
entities) capture basic data that helps with lead generation.
[11:00am] milindpansare_:
http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.4/mysql-essential-5.4.1-beta-winx64.msi/from/pick
[11:01am] milindpansare_:Those who o to download get a clear explanation of the Community edition
(free)and it's benefits and features, and a clear explanation of the Enterprise edition and when
that's appropriate (for cost)
[11:02am] milindpansare_:Those who want to register and provide some information can do so, but if
they decline, they can still download. i.e they can bypass registartion..
[11:03am] milindpansare_:Comments ?
[11:03am] peterthoeny:PeterJones and khnz: any feedback?
[11:04am] SopanShewale:Milind: So the current release notes.. highlights section..Bug fix highlights
 should go away from this page?
[11:04am] peterthoeny:i think they need to be there
[11:05am] SopanShewale:The current page has too much scrolling and too much empty space on the top
[11:05am] peterthoeny:on top, the two download boxes, below current content (something like that)
[11:06am] peterthoeny:time check: +66 min
[11:06am] SopanShewale:i the the complete page should be completely redesigned... so that maximum
items (marketing -enterpise and community) should fit together...
[11:06am] peterthoeny:i have to sign of in a few min (conf call)
[11:06am] SopanShewale:i guess - no edit/attach required on this page..the people who needs to
attach they know how to purform these tasks...
[11:07am] SopanShewale:i dont think taking comments also makes any sense on this page.. so
OMMENT% should also be removed
[11:07am] SopanShewale:i dont think taking comments also makes any sense on this page.. so
% COMMENT% should also be removed
[11:07am] peterthoeny:i will create a proposal in the codev web so that we can discuss and decide
[11:08am] peterthoeny:sopan: we already have a separate page for comments
[11:08am] milindpansare_:I would really like to get feedback so we can be sure this is well
understood and OK with the community and we have discussed the pros and cons.
[11:09am] peterthoeny:i am already listing in to other conf call
[11:09am] SopanShewale:ok..
[11:09am] peterthoeny:any initial feedback peter j and robert?
[11:10am] PeterJones9:I will look further at Milinds comments and give feedback later, I have to
leave now.
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[11:11am] SopanShewale:ok Milind..
[11:11am] peterthoeny:i'll post the irc log
[11:11am] SopanShewale:i am also singing off.. bye.. Bye Peter
[11:11am] peterthoeny:anything else?
[11:12am] SopanShewale:not at his moment..
[11:12am] SopanShewale:bye
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[11:12am] peterthoeny:ok, tahnks all
[11:12am] khnz:peterthoeny: sorry, no. It's fine for me, but I'm not a developer or marketing guy.
[11:12am] peterthoeny:ok, thanks robert