Date: March 2, 2009 10:45:56 AM PST Subject: GeorgetownMinutes2009x03x02.txt [09:21am] PeterThoeny joined the room. [09:28am] SteffenPoulsen joined the chat room. [09:29am]SteffenPoulsen:hi [09:32am]peterthoeny:hi steffen, nice to see you here! [09:32am]peterthoeny:uebera||chores: are you here? just logging? [09:32am]SteffenPoulsen:glad I could make it .. it's the worst possible time for me, monday evening - home alone with three kids, and in the "hour of the wolf" [09:34am] PeterJones9 joined the chat room. [09:34am]PeterJones9:Im now in through freenode.net [09:35am]peterthoeny:ah, cool, hi peter! [09:36am]peterthoeny:SteffenPoulsen: i can imagine, you have very active kids! [09:36am]SteffenPoulsen:they promised to behave nicely today, I'm crossing my fingers that they will remember [09:37am] SopanShewale joined the chat room. [09:37am]peterthoeny:i had a good time at your home a few years back [09:37am]peterthoeny:hi sopan [09:37am]SopanShewale:Hi Peter [09:38am]SteffenPoulsen:yeah, that was a fun time, glad you had the chance to visit [09:38am]peterthoeny: [09:38am]SopanShewale:sorry - was busy with kids - so delay [09:39am]peterthoeny:no prob [09:39am] SanjeevJha77 joined the chat room. [09:39am]peterthoeny:hi sanjeev [09:39am]peterthoeny:welcome at the release meeting [09:39am]SopanShewale:Hi Sanjeev [09:39am]peterthoeny:what is your twiki.org user name? [09:40am]peterthoeny:meeting agenda is at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/GeorgetownReleaseMeeting2009x03x02 [09:40am]peterthoeny:who wants to take the minutes? [09:41am]SopanShewale:Hi Peter - i can take the minutes [09:41am]SteffenPoulsen:thanks [09:41am]PeterJones9:Thanks Apoan [09:42am]peterthoeny:thank you sopan [09:42am]peterthoeny:proposed agenda: [09:42am]PeterJones9:Sorry Sopan Im on a CH keyboard [09:42am]peterthoeny:# 1. Review Urgent Bugs [09:42am]peterthoeny:# 2. Feature requests for Georgetown Release [09:42am]peterthoeny:# 3. TWiki 4.3 Release Coordination [09:43am]SopanShewale:Ok PeterJones9 [09:43am]peterthoeny:anything to add? [09:43am]SteffenPoulsen:nope [09:43am]SopanShewale:nope [09:44am]peterthoeny:---++ 1. Review Urgent Bugs [09:44am]peterthoeny:let's compare the items we looked at the last meeting, and http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker [09:44am]PeterJones9:Bug6151 is not listed. [09:45am]peterthoeny:let's look at that in a minute [09:45am]peterthoeny:on list from last time, lets look only at the ones we do not defer [09:45am]peterthoeny:TWikibug:Item6138 - Bulletted lists in form fields are not rendered properly -- Sopan working on it [09:46am]SopanShewale:Peter - thats fixed [09:46am]peterthoeny:yes, thank you sopan! [09:46am]peterthoeny:TWikibug:Item6161 - Test Cases from Release Branch Should pass before next Release [09:47am]SopanShewale:BTW  - we have created release branch 4.4 [09:47am]SopanShewale:BTW  - we have created release branch 4.3 [09:47am] uebera||chores is now known as uebera||dinner. [09:47am]peterthoeny:i believe that is fixed too [09:47am]SopanShewale:and all cases are being fixed [09:47am]SteffenPoulsen:excellent [09:47am]peterthoeny:thank you sopan for working so hard on release [09:47am]peterthoeny:TWikibug:Item6041 - TinyMCE bug with Firefox 3 and bulleted lists -- fix by reporter, to be verified [09:48am]SopanShewale:yup - the code is in Subversion, verified before adding to subversion [09:48am]peterthoeny:cool [09:49am]SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item5943 - this can be closed [09:50am]SopanShewale:this was mistake in last release, i have reverted the change in Main/WebPreferences topic [09:50am]peterthoeny:actually, for tracking purposes, better to open a new bug item to fix that bug introduced by Item5943 [09:50am]SopanShewale:Guys - anything on this Item5943? [09:51am]SopanShewale:ok.. i will make do that stuff [09:51am]peterthoeny:oic, checkin was done with same bug number [09:51am]peterthoeny:in this case, leave it as is [09:51am]SopanShewale:yes [09:52am]peterthoeny:so for next time, better to open new bug item to fix a bug that made it into a release [09:52am]peterthoeny:looking at http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseBlocker [09:52am]SopanShewale:yes.. i should remember this [09:53am]peterthoeny:what is not deferred, and not yet discussed? [09:53am]SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6186 - I have started working on this, not done much progress [09:53am]SopanShewale:i think release blockers are covered [09:54am]SopanShewale:I think PeterJ wanted to discuss - http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/Item6151 [09:54am]peterthoeny:ok [09:54am]peterthoeny:Item6151: Mapping of wikiname to RCS fails when email address used as login (cUID to wikiname error?) [09:55am]PeterJones9:Yes we cant upgrade to 4.2.4 due to this [09:55am]SopanShewale:PeterJ - its priority is normal - so it was not listed in ReleaseBlockers [09:56am]SopanShewale:reading\ [09:56am]PeterJones9:I see. Could I ask fo it to be upgraded? [09:56am]peterthoeny:peterjones: the user management has been changed so many times, it is hard to keep track of the changes [09:57am]peterthoeny:imho it is a sore point of twiki [09:57am]peterthoeny:personally i do not understand the need for cuid [09:57am]peterthoeny:the person who worked on user management left the project [09:57am]peterthoeny:we need a new owner for that field [09:58am]SopanShewale:PeterJones - i will take a look at this [09:58am]PeterJones9:Many thanks Sopan [09:58am]SopanShewale:but not sure if we can target this in this release [09:58am]peterthoeny:but it is unlikely we can make changes for 4.3 release [09:58am]SteffenPoulsen:good point about cuid, not very well "understood" or doc'ed (and not by me, neither) [09:59am]peterthoeny:i think user management needs a review and redesign [09:59am]peterthoeny:currently rcs stored the cuid [09:59am]SopanShewale:yup, agree on this [10:00am]PeterJones9:A user management review would be welcome [10:00am]peterthoeny:imagine a password manager where a user can login with multiple e-mail addresses [10:00am]peterthoeny:currently, same user would be recorded as different rcs users [10:01am]peterthoeny:PeterJones9: do you have some perl gurus at cern that could own this? [10:02am]PeterJones9:Unfortunatley not at present [10:02am]peterthoeny:time check: +30 min [10:02am]peterthoeny:any other bug item to look at? [10:03am]peterthoeny:if not, [10:03am]peterthoeny:---++ 2. Feature requests for Georgetown Release [10:03am]SopanShewale:I think thats all at present [10:03am]peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiFeatureProposals#ProposalsReadyForReleaseMeeting has none listed [10:04am]peterthoeny:there is one feature i would have liked in 4.3: better upgrade mechanism [10:04am]peterthoeny:i have some ideas, but no time to implement [10:04am]SopanShewale:Peter - can you add that in proposals... and comment your ideas [10:05am]peterthoeny:i will do [10:05am]SopanShewale:do you also want to discuss older ones [10:05am]SopanShewale:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RemoveQuestionMarkLinks - this was fixed in last week [10:06am]peterthoeny:thank you sopan for implementing this based on spec! [10:06am]SopanShewale:we need to make the changes in the documents [10:06am]peterthoeny:i can help on the docs [10:06am]SopanShewale:it would be good idea to implement this in http://www.twiki.org code bases [10:06am]SopanShewale:it would be good idea to implement this in http://www.twiki.org code base [10:07am]peterthoeny:sopan, trunk has red link but still has questionmark [10:07am]SopanShewale:hmm... again forgot.. we need to checkin this in trunk too [10:07am]peterthoeny:yes [10:08am]peterthoeny:what about hover background in top bar, breadcrumb, sidebar, topic action links, bottom bar? [10:08am]SopanShewale:? [10:09am]peterthoeny:last time i looked, hover background was still red, with white text [10:09am]SopanShewale:you want to have similar effect for these links too? [10:09am]peterthoeny:i think it looks nicer to have same look [10:10am]peterthoeny:except for no underline in sidebar (as now) [10:10am]peterthoeny:sopan we can take this offline [10:10am]SopanShewale:ok [10:10am]peterthoeny:any other feature proposals to discuss? [10:10am]SanjeevJha77:yes [10:11am]SanjeevJha77:like if looking for any topic we need to login, is this is right feature [10:11am]peterthoeny:please explain? [10:12am]SanjeevJha77: have created one topic as admin user, [10:13am]SanjeevJha77:and on another machine, I am opening twiki without login [10:13am]SanjeevJha77:but unable to find topic [10:13am]SopanShewale:Sanjeev - do you mean, the to view the new topic one needs to login to the TWiki instance? [10:14am]SanjeevJha77:yes but not for new topic rather any topic [10:14am]SteffenPoulsen:standard search only finds pages to which you have access privileges per standard (though some search addons finds all pages) [10:15am]SopanShewale:Sanjeev - looks like thats issue with your installation, this is not issue with TWiki (you can experiment in Sanbox web of twiki.org) [10:16am]SanjeevJha77:ok, but today I was searching but was not able to find those I have created on Friday until I logged in [10:16am]peterthoeny:SanjeevJha77: in the release meeting we dicuss feature proposals that are "ready for release meeting", [10:16am]SopanShewale:you can open any topic from any machine/browser, you can create any kind of topic in Sanbox [10:16am]peterthoeny:see details at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiReleaseManagementProcess [10:16am]SanjeevJha77:ok [10:16am]SopanShewale:do you have any new proposal - any new feature to add in TWiki [10:17am]SanjeevJha77:not right now [10:17am]peterthoeny:SanjeevJha77: what you describe is spec, if you create a page that has view access restriction, you wont be able to see it until you are logged in [10:18am]peterthoeny:---++ 3. TWiki 4.3 Release Coordination [10:18am]SanjeevJha77:this was my suggestion [10:18am]SopanShewale:Peter - so we are adding HeadlinesPlugin to core (this was part of feature) [10:18am]peterthoeny:ah, yes [10:18am]peterthoeny:and twikinetskin and twikinetskinplugin too [10:18am]SopanShewale:and also adding TWikiNetSKin and Plugin [10:19am]peterthoeny:for all three should be a simple manifest change [10:19am]SopanShewale:Do you want me to create the proposal? - or do you want to take care of creating proposals? [10:19am]SanjeevJha77:that at least viewer can see the topic which was created even though s/he not logged in [10:19am]SopanShewale:yup [10:19am]peterthoeny:i created the proposals a while ago [10:19am]SopanShewale:Saneev - let us discuss your ideas offline firs [10:20am]SopanShewale:Saneev - let us discuss your ideas offline first [10:20am]SopanShewale:that may be issue with your installation [10:20am]peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddHeadlinesPluginToDistribution [10:20am]peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/AddTWikiNetSkinToDistribution [10:20am]SopanShewale:Ok Peter - i will workout on Addition of Headlines, TWikiNetSkin/Plugin [10:21am]SopanShewale:for TWikiNetSkin - there will be CSS changes for RemoveQuestionMark for non-existance topics [10:21am]SopanShewale:i can handle that [10:21am]peterthoeny:thank you sopan [10:22am]peterthoeny:back to release coordination [10:22am]SopanShewale:ok [10:22am]peterthoeny:we need to create the release notes [10:22am]peterthoeny:and update the twikihistory [10:23am]SopanShewale:hmm... release notes are handled by standard process, is that right? [10:23am]peterthoeny:yes [10:23am]PeterJones9:And KnownIssues? [10:24am]SopanShewale:http://develop.twiki.org/~twiki4/cgi-bin/view/Bugs/ReleaseNotes?type=n%2Fa|patch [10:24am]SopanShewale:i can take care of creating release notes [10:24am]peterthoeny:we need create the 4.3 equivalent of http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki04x02/TWikiReleaseNotes04x02 [10:24am]peterthoeny:known issues are listed on twiki.org only [10:25am]SopanShewale:hmm...looks like we need to modify  Bugs application [10:25am]peterthoeny:yea, bugs app has some rough edges [10:26am]peterthoeny:and some inconsistencies (why call the bug item form a "template"?) [10:26am]SopanShewale:we need to review the application [10:26am]peterthoeny:low prio though [10:27am]peterthoeny:lets fist get the release out of the virtual door [10:27am]SopanShewale:yes [10:27am]peterthoeny:on release timing, we had this last time: [10:27am]peterthoeny:    * 2009-02-23 - code freeze [10:27am]peterthoeny:    * 2009-03-02 - string freeze [10:27am]peterthoeny:    * 2009-03-02 - rc1 [10:27am]SopanShewale:we wanted to have 2009-03-02 - string freeze/rc1 [10:28am]peterthoeny:are we ready for rc1? anything we should fix before we roll rc1? [10:29am]SopanShewale:except adding HeadLinesPlugin T.N.Skin/Plugin - we are ready [10:29am]peterthoeny:then lets do that [10:29am]peterthoeny:and add also a placeholder for TWiki.TWikiReleaseNotes04x03 [10:30am]SopanShewale:Peter - i propose 4th March for rc1 [10:30am]peterthoeny:sounds good to me [10:30am]peterthoeny:and string freeze same day? [10:30am]SopanShewale:yes [10:30am]peterthoeny:ok, cool [10:31am] uebera||dinner is now known as uebera||. [10:31am]SteffenPoulsen:excellent, I will prepare for a translation call there, then [10:32am]SopanShewale:cool [10:32am]peterthoeny:thank you steffen for helping out coordinate the translations!! [10:33am]peterthoeny:http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TranslationSupport lists the translators [10:33am]peterthoeny:we have some open positions [10:33am]SteffenPoulsen:excellent, thanks .. I was wondering, do you have any experience with a service like http://99translations.com/ ? [10:34am]peterthoeny:i will ask a friend in switzerland to do the german translation [10:34am]SteffenPoulsen:I will take a look at it and see if it could help us [10:34am]peterthoeny:steffen, i do not know this service [10:34am]peterthoeny:is it something like babelfish or google translate? [10:35am]SopanShewale:thanks Steffen for sharing link - http://99translations.com/ [10:35am]peterthoeny:if so, it is not good enough quality [10:35am]SopanShewale:sounds interesting one [10:36am]SteffenPoulsen:I have never tried it, so no experiences to share .. just, liked the concept, I guess [10:36am]peterthoeny:oic, 99trans is a matchmaker site for contractors and clients [10:36am]SopanShewale:yup... [10:36am]PeterJones9:Peter let me know more about your open positions for translation [10:36am]SopanShewale:matrimoni for coders [10:36am]peterthoeny: [10:37am]peterthoeny:let's see at other open positions [10:38am]peterthoeny:dutch, french, german, korean are open [10:38am]peterthoeny:i will ask on german [10:38am] SanjeevJha77 left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [10:38am]peterthoeny:any idea who to ask for the other ones? [10:39am]SteffenPoulsen:not really, I'm afraid [10:39am]peterthoeny:ok, let me ask around [10:39am]peterthoeny:are we done with the meeting? [10:40am]peterthoeny:anything else? [10:40am]peterthoeny:time check: +70 min [10:40am]SopanShewale:i guess yes.. unless others have any open points [10:41am]peterthoeny:ok, lets close the meeting, feel free to continue the conversation in #twiki [10:41am]SopanShewale:thx Peter [10:41am]peterthoeny:thanks peter j, sopan, steffen, sanjeev! [10:42am]SopanShewale:thx Steffen/PeterJ [10:42am]SteffenPoulsen:thanks all .. I will head back to the kids, might check in in #twiki later [10:42am]peterthoeny:i will post the logs [10:42am]PeterJones9:Thanks guys and have a good evening