---++ IRC Log of Georgetown Release Meeting 2008-07-20

(see also GeorgeTownReleaseMeeting2008x07x20.mp3 recording attached to same page)

[06:53am] Topic changed to
"http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/GeorgetownReleaseMeeting2008x07x20" by SvenDowideit_.
[06:53am]Lavr_:Mute while connected is *6
[06:53am]Lavr_:unmute is #6
[06:55am]SvenDowideit_:'ola
[06:55am]Lavr_:Hi Sven
[06:58am]Lavr_:conference brigde is active
[06:59am]peterthoeny:hi andre, babr, kenneth, oliver, sven, markus
[07:00am]AndreU:hi peter
[07:03am] GilmarSantosJr joined the chat room.
[07:04am]Lavr_:Gilmar what country are you in?
[07:05am]peterthoeny:hi gilmar!
[07:06am]GilmarSantosJr:hi
[07:06am]GilmarSantosJr:I'm in Brazil
[07:06am]Lavr_:No free number in Brazil - Probably USA number is cheapest
[07:07am]peterthoeny:gilmar: if you are using skype you can use skype out
[07:07am]peterthoeny:that is what i am using, very reasonable price
[07:07am]GilmarSantosJr:USA is too far for me and i don't use skype (yet).
[07:08am]GilmarSantosJr:no problem. i'll listen to the meeting later
[07:08am]GilmarSantosJr:i think i don't have much to contribute. maybe it's better to keep
working on TSA
[07:12am]AndreU:you are really cut off Sven
[07:13am]AndreU:I hardly can understand you
[07:13am]AndreU:it is impossible to understand you
[07:13am]SvenDowideit_:basically
[07:13am]SvenDowideit_:my concern is that there seems not to be enough effort going into
getting information and feedbacks for the non-fone users
[07:14am]peterthoeny:i am muted as well now
[07:24am] GilmarSantosJr left the chat room. ("Konversation terminated!")
[07:27am]SvenDowideit_:there is a better altrenative for that
[07:27am]SvenDowideit_:build unit tests
[07:27am]SvenDowideit_:if that is the _only_ reason, its a very poor one
[07:27am]SvenDowideit_:cos we all have broken backwards compat
[07:27am]SvenDowideit_:including peter
[07:28am]AndreU:+1 we should of course ensure compability as best we can
[07:28am]AndreU:but should have influence on the governance structure
[07:29am]SvenDowideit_:if its about the project's governance
[07:29am]SvenDowideit_:then it should be in public!
[07:30am]AndreU:+1
[07:31am]SvenDowideit_:trouble is, so far, things in the voice calls have _not_ been transfered
over to the wiki
[07:31am]SvenDowideit_:and thus, the fone is being mis-used.
[07:32am]SvenDowideit_:I'd rather it were in codev
[07:32am]AndreU:please everyone else mute your phone
[07:40am]AndreU:peter, this is too long for a conversation
[07:42am]Lavr_:In the minutes
[07:42am]Lavr_:I wrote the names in the last minutes
[07:42am]SvenDowideit_:minuts?
[07:43am]SvenDowideit_:i can't see it
[07:43am]SvenDowideit_:aha, ok, found it
[07:47am]Lavr_:who does not have commercial interests?
[07:47am]SvenDowideit_:thats the point
[07:47am]SvenDowideit_:all of them do
[07:47am]SvenDowideit_:and there is a massive group of twiki users that are non-comercial
[07:47am]Lavr_:who in the community?
[07:47am]SvenDowideit_:education, oss groups etc
[07:47am]SvenDowideit_:i dunno - did you ask?
[07:48am]SvenDowideit_:or was it just a tcc selected from the click?
[07:52am]AndreU:good qestion
[07:56am] CDot joined the chat room.
[07:57am]CDot:ta
[08:03am] AndreU_ joined the chat room.
[08:13am] AndreU left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[08:15am]AndreU_:I would trust the community
[08:16am]CDot:why so long?
[08:16am]CDot:what is likely to change?
[08:18am]AndreU_:Peter should get a seat within the council in order to keep his interests as the founder
[08:18am]AndreU_:what to do when the leader does not trust the community he leads?
[08:20am]AndreU_:whos interests does the "leader" stand for if not the interests of the
community?
[08:20am]Lavr_:What are your interests Andre?
[08:21am]AndreU_:having the institutional council get voted by the community and not selected
by a bdfl
[08:21am]Lavr_:What are your COMMERCIAL interests Andre? Your are not on TWiki just for fun
[08:22am]AndreU_:I would love if TWiki can develop in a healthy way, this is my main interest
[08:22am]Lavr_:Andre you have commercial interests!!!!
[08:22am]SvenDowideit_:before 2005, i did not
[08:23am]AndreU_:I also did not before 2004
[08:23am]AndreU_:FYI: I am not depending on TWiki as a system
[08:25am]SvenDowideit_:CDot, did you get the security issue on IF??
[08:37am]AndreU_:Peter, is this discussion about "who leads the community" (governance) or
"who owns the project" (asset)
[08:38am]AndreU_:+1
[08:47am]CDot:sounds like we're damned either way
[08:47am]CDot:SvenDowideit
[08:47am]CDot:- yes
[08:48am]peterthoeny:offline for 30 sec...
[08:49am]peterthoeny:...back
[08:59am]SvenDowideit_:Lavr_,
[08:59am]SvenDowideit_:http://www.osafoundation.org/
[09:00am]SvenDowideit_:http://chandlerproject.org/wikihome
[09:01am]SvenDowideit_:linux kernel driver project.
[09:04am]AndreU_:+1
[09:30am]SvenDowideit_:yes, i should do the sleeping things
[09:31am]SvenDowideit_:thanks for the fone call - will be interesting to see the transcription
[09:37am] CDot left the chat room.
[09:53am]Lavr_:I am uploading the mp3 now. Should take round 5 minutes to upload