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MindTouch

Company behind DekiWiki

Update August 2007

  • As of 7th August 2007 MindTouch announced that licences for their new release, "Hayes" Deki Wiki, would be free.
  • They appear to be aiming to get revenue purely from support contracts.
  • Three levels of support offered:
    • Basic (email only, 2 trouble tickets, no assistance with installs, 2 day response) $495 pa
    • Silver (email and chat, unlimited trouble tickets, install assist, 1 day response) $2,495 pa
    • Gold (email/chat/phone, unlimited trouble tickets, install assist, 4 hour response) $4,995 pa
  • Very glitzy presentation of the wiki on Mindtouch's website. Includes the ability to embed YouTube or Flickr content. I don't know if the MindTouch wiki is as good as TWiki but it certainly looks better.

-- Contributors: MichaelDaum - 25 Jul 2007
MichaelCorbett - 08 Aug 2007

Update 26 Jan 2008

  • Mindtouch are making the following two assertions about Deki Wiki. TDO need to investigate what we can produce (by way of hard evidence) to refute these claims. If TWiki is the world's most popular vendor backed wiki then we need to say it. And tell MindTouch not to!
    1. Deki Wiki is the world's most popular vendor backed wiki.
    2. It's also the only open source mashup platform.
  • They've just released version 1.8.3b. Doesn't sound that newsworthy but they have a lovely video explaining the Wiki's mashability features.

-- Contributors: MichaelCorbett - 26 Jan 2008

Update 15 May 2008

Version v8.05 of Deki Wiki released.

Claimed new features:

  • Improved file uploader
  • IP Address/Username banning
  • OpenSearch
  • MediaWiki to Deki Wiki converter
  • Talk pages
  • Multiple language support
  • Page restore
  • Dozens of DekiScript improvements
  • Page composition engine
  • Service management

Obviously they decided to introduce the talk pages to Deki Wiki after seeing what we'd done with TalkTalk on TWiki. wink

Discussion

It's interesting to note the Deki Wiki page was speedily deleted and locked at Wikipedia in the Fall of 2006. This was really strange because the page had more than a dozen contributors and a NPOV. There were a couple Wikipedia admins who were really angry about this and shared my opinion that it appeared to be a concerted attempt by several other admins to remove references to MindTouch. I think this is all very odd. Rest assured MindTouch has never been a spammer.

How does this spam list manifest itself? Because there are some pages in Wikipedia with references to MindTouch. Also, I've been a contributor at Wikipedia for, maybe 4 years (with my most recent account), and haven't seen any ill effects of having MindTouch on my user page...

Please feel free to contact me at AaronF [at] MindTouch [dot] com

BTW, great work Peter...

-- AaronFulkerson - 27 Jul 2007

Even Wikipedia admins are just humans and sometimes make errors.

It doesn't take a lot of googling to see that you have succeeded in putting references to MindTouch in a whole lot of places - I'm guessing it was perhaps perceived that you were crossing a fine spam line somewhere inside Wikipedias ranks.

Pages like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam are a good read on their guidelines:

  • .. Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam. Although the specific links may be allowed under some circumstances, repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed ..
  • .. At one end of the spectrum are professional spammers seeking to drive traffic to commercial sites. At the other end are webmasters of simple community sites who just want to get more attention for their site. This potential for self-promotion on Wikipedia must be managed. Wikipedia is not a link repository. Wikipedia exists for the purpose of creating a collaboratively edited encyclopedia, not for any individual to promote a site that they have an interest in ..

Anyway, with TWikiDotNet around, TWiki will have to adopt a new strategy for pushing references around - and perhaps TWikiDotNet will run into the same problem that you did once it gets time to update for instance Wikipedia:TWiki with the latest news. Your story is a good example that arbitrarily dumping references is not a "anything goes" scenario.

-- SteffenPoulsen - 08 Aug 2007

In a recent blog entry at mindtouch.com Aaron does an impressive job in hyping the platform.

The comments carry some critique of the virtual machine release though.

Also there's a link to what they call architechtural videos of the platform, I think the Hayes overview one provides an ok feel of how their wiki works.

On a sidenote it is interesting that the the open source part is used good in the hype, yet when it comes to linking to it www.opengardener.com is confused for opengarden.org (comment #5) - huh?

-- SteffenPoulsen - 08 Sep 2007

Open question to the community: how well can TWiki support mashups like Deki wiki does?

-- MichaelCorbett - 26 Jan 2008

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